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Kid Goku upgrade from 9-A to 8-C
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Ah wait oolongs was 8-B
Dragon Ball Anime: Oolong Shakes A Village
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Dragon Ball Anime: The Pilaf Gang Survive An Explosion
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Dragon Ball Anime: Yamcha Destroys A Tower
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Dragon Ball Anime: Mai And Shu Survive An Explosion
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Here's consistent 9-A through high 8-C and 8-B for the Pilaf Saga characters, even the manga version of the pilaf gang surviving the same explosion I calculated came to 9-A+
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I don't think I agree, as Power Levels are quite exponential.
Oozaru Vegeta for example has 180'000, and he's around 594.4 Zettatons.
Anyone who has a power level of 1 would be 3.3 Exatons (High 6-A) because of being 180'000 times weaker, when is blatantly not the case.
So, yeah, I don't think this kind of logic applies in DB.
Oozaru Vegeta for example has 180'000, and he's around 594.4 Zettatons.
Anyone who has a power level of 1 would be 3.3 Exatons (High 6-A) because of being 180'000 times weaker, when is blatantly not the case.
So, yeah, I don't think this kind of logic applies in DB.
Eden_Warlock99
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What do Power Levels have to do with Kid Goku being 10x weaker than his Oozaru self?
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You are really fine with High 6-A Humans?
Eden_Warlock99
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We don't even really know if Oozaru Vegeta's Power Level is 180,000 (If that was the case he'd be 4-C)
We just know he's 10 times stronger than base Vegeta
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Yeah, but if you argue this logic, I can make even an even worse argument from saying that anyone in DB is Tier 5 minimum due to downscaling from Frieza.
Given that anyone would just be 530'000 times weaker than him.
Downscaling this literally does not work at all.
Eden_Warlock99
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Don't we downscale most Base Saiyans from their SSJ forms tho
I don't see how this is any different
I don't see how this is any different
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Source?
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I can get behind this but it begs the question as to why we don’t apply the inverse logic and extrapolate higher ratings for everyone with known PLs based on the fact AP increases exponentially, like why shouldn’t we rate 100% Freeza with a PL of 120 million to be At least 226x times the feat of his first form with PL of 530,000.
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Then you'd have to downscale even a turtle from frieza, power levels are not linear
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Literally why not just drop the Oozaru argument for these calculations it'd literally be better than what we'd get from trying to downscale for the great ape, at the very least you'd get 9-A+Dragon Ball Anime: The Pilaf Gang Survive An Explosion
Dragon Ball Anime: Yamcha Destroys A Tower
Dragon Ball Anime: Mai And Shu Survive An Explosion
Here's consistent 9-A through high 8-C and 8-B for the Pilaf Saga characters, even the manga version of the pilaf gang surviving the same explosion I calculated came to 9-A+
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All of these are from the anime and therefore, they're irrelevant.Dragon Ball Anime: The Pilaf Gang Survive An Explosion
Dragon Ball Anime: Yamcha Destroys A Tower
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9-A+ is manga and I'm still going through reading finding feats
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True true
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You don't down scale from an exponential increase
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Pilaf gang survive an explosion manga
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That's debatable. I'd say that if Goku has shown off 9-A feats himself in base form then it's more accurate to rate him off of that, rather than rating him as 8-C for downscaling from a multiplier of a form that scales to X who scales to Y who scales to Z.
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Rating him as 9-A also means the Oozaru form is 232x multiplier tho
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why are yall acting like the panel where we see the plane and the panel where we see the explosion are the same?
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There are two versions for a reason, one takes that into account one doesn't and both are upgrades by far since goku would heavily upscale the pilaf gangs feats
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Then that would literally imply that the multiplier for the Oozaru would be that wanked
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We don’t do calc/ calc to get multipliers( hopefully) between forms, sticking with what the series tells regarding in-universe power relationships is the best method overrall.
Otherwise you end with ridiculous extrapolation such as SSG being an 10e53~ AP multiplier and stacking it every time base Goku reaches that level.
Otherwise you end with ridiculous extrapolation such as SSG being an 10e53~ AP multiplier and stacking it every time base Goku reaches that level.
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Vizer04
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We literally do.
The series tells us that Oozaru is a x10 boost and nothing contradicts that so far.
To be fair, the SSG multiplier is the most extreme example of bad scaling.
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No, it’s not the same in principle what I mean to illustrate for example would be like this
Character A has a base form with a feat rated as 10 joules
Then character transforms and performs a feat worth 10000 joules. Therefore we treat the form to provide a 1000x amp and essentially multiply any higher feat performed by said character in base by 1000x off that one instance we calculated the power difference.
Ginyu being 1/10th of Freezas AP is based on the stated 10x amp Kaioken gives in universe.
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Looks like were getting 9-A+ Dragon Ball Manga
Also I noticed a (Possible) small problem with this calc
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Are you allowed to measure diagonally like that for explosions?
Also I noticed a (Possible) small problem with this calc
Dragon Ball Anime: Mai And Shu Survive An Explosion
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Are you allowed to measure diagonally like that for explosions?
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