Kharn weeds his garden

[The_Wright_Way]

Kharn tries to mow his lawn only to find a giant Swamp Thing in the way. Don't you hate it when that happens? Kharn gets his soul-eating axe and prepares to chop it down.

Post-flashpoint base Swamp Thing.

Kharn at 5-A lowball.

Speed Equalized.


Post-Flash Swamp Thing

vs.

Khârn the Betrayer

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I...

Huh...

 

[Schnee_One]

Like every match with 5A Kharn negs everything and one shots like literally. Every. Other. Match.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Wouldnt Swamp Thing's regen let him just keep coming back? High-Godly is beyond Khorne's ability to negate isnt it?

 

[Schnee_One]

Nope

 

[FateAlbane]

I like how my "Challenge Accepted" pic became a tendency in Kharn threads.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Wouldnt Swamp Thing's regen let him just keep coming back? High-Godly is beyond Khorne's ability to negate isnt it?

A 1-B entity can nullify 5-A high godly regen?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Nope

...A little bit more of an explanation would be nice

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Wouldnt Swamp Thing's regen let him just keep coming back? High-Godly is beyond Khorne's ability to negate isnt it?

A 1-B entity can nullify 5-A high godly regen?

High-Godly regen that comes from regenerating after the High 1-B ultiverse was deestroyed

 

[Schnee_One]

Khorn is Cool with negging regen if it means keeping someone dead after Kharn kills them a bunch of times

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

That's from his second key

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

You know when we did "Can't use higher dimensional hax because it's unfair"? I liked it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

That's from his second key

No its not

 

[FateAlbane]

I don't grasp the logic where suddenly regenerating from a Multiverse being destroyed gives you immunity to Power Nullification from a God that dwarves you by a lot of infinities.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

High 1-B > 1-B

 

[FateAlbane]

Like, that's akin to saying that if a Reality Warper below High 1-B fought Swamp Thing and tried to remove his regen, they would fail because he regenerated from destruction (an entirely different matter) that was in a higher scale.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Would he not?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

High 1-B > 1-B

"'The central conceit is that our visible, four-dimensional universe is restricted to a brane, that is, a membrane, inside a higher dimensional space,' he begins, and already I feel any hope of comprehension fall away. 'A theoretically infinite number of dimensions of potentially infinite scale occupy other branes, which, in effect, means there can be an endless series of alternate realities, intersecting with our own in ways we cannot possibly imagine in any currently posited cosmological model.'" - Knights of the Imperium

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Zach Hey, take it up with Azzy, otherwise Khorne is 1-B

 

[FateAlbane]

It's literally regenerating after a Multiverse was destroyed. It's very different from a higher dimensional god specifically aiming for his power and nullifying it instead. By that logic not even a High 1-B would be able to kill him in 5-A key going by the logic that "He regenerated from the destruction of the Multiverse so no hax below High 1-B will affect him!"

...Which really does not match.

 

[Blahblah9755]

Power negating something that operates on a high 1B scale wouldn't work for a 1B character, not any hax. Mind manip or reality warping him out of existence (though this wouldn't kill him it would still affect him) wouldn't be cancelled by regen, but you can't realistically say a character can cancel a power that literally operates an infinite^infinity number of times beyond his level.

Hell, if Hilbert space was destroyed, then he's regenerating from some point too absurdly far outside of Khorne's reach for him to ever approach.

Though what Zach quoted definitely seems worth bringing up in a CRT.

 

[FateAlbane]

My god. Somebody kill me.

 

[Schnee_One]

(Climbs on top of you in oddly sexual way with hands around your neck)

You sure?

 

[FateAlbane]

Swamp Thing is a 3D being.

It doesn't matter how ridiculously big the structure that was destroyed was. His regen was there.

And his regen is High-Godly so whatever exploded does not matter in the long run: He just regenerates. It's like how if you bust a Timeline a Low Godly or Mid-Godly regenerator will still come back by regenerating from other plane or from nothing.

That doesn't give them immunity to higher dimensional/tier 2 hax or makes someone actually need tier 2 range to affect them.

Same thing applies here.

Swamp thing regenerates from something being destroyed in that scale.

Doesn't instantly means his Regenerationn NEGATES any hax if someone actually aims at him and Power Nullifies on a scale he has no feats against - unless Swamp Thing has a feat of negating power nullification of a 1-B being, he is not nullifying Khorne's hax.

This is a massive NLF if I've ever seen one - you guys are literally considering Regenerationn as Negating hax. Like what?

 

[FateAlbane]

@Gargoyle Pls no.

 

[Schnee_One]

(Gets off)

Okay cool, just be careful when you suggest that.

 

[Blahblah9755]

It doesn't matter how ridiculously big the structure that was destroyed was. His regen was there.

It wasn't, you don't regenerate from/to a place that doesn't exist anymore. You have to regenerate from/to something outside of it.

And his regen is High-Godly so whatever exploded does not matter in the long run: He just regenerates. It's like how if you bust a Timeline a Low Godly or Mid-Godly regenerator will still come back by regenerating from other plane or from nothing.

That isn't at all how it works. Low godly and mid godly never regenerate from another plane (unless you mean something like a different part of the same universe that is called a plane within the series) and high godly regenerates from a space outside of whatever number of dimensions was destroyed. In other words this is an ability occurring at the minimum level of what is dimensionally superior to what is destroyed.

That doesn't give them immunity to higher dimensional/tier 2 hax.

Same thing applies here.

No one ever said it did. We said that Khorne can't negate something this far beyond his scale.

Swamp thing regenerates from something being destroyed in that scale.

Doesn't instantly means his Regenerationn NEGATES any hax if someone actually aims at him and Power Nullifies on a scale he has no feats against - unless Swamp Thing has a feat of negating power nullification of a 1-B being, he is not nullifying Khorne's hax.

Correct, what it means is that his Regenerationn operates on that scale, he already has whatever feat he has that proves his regen operates on such a scale. He isn't negating any power, just like a 2C hax wouldn't be negating a power of a 3D power negation was used on it. You need a feat that proves Khorne's power negation can cancel an ability that operates on a scale of higher dimensions than his own.

This is a massive NLF if I've ever seen one - you guys are literally considering Regenerationn as Negating hax. Like what?

No. We aren't assuming regen somehow negates hax. You're assuming a 1B power negation can negate an ability that acts on a far higher scale, which is a massive NLF.

 

[FateAlbane]

1. And you're assuming he regenerates from a High 1-B plane based on...? Even moreso when said plane was destroyed.

2. Sorry but yes, it is. Read the description in the page, by all means. And no. High-Godly is literally the character in question regenerating after destruction in said scale happened. It doesn't mean they are regenerating from some higher plane. For example, by this faulty logic everyone in SMT would be utterly indestructible by regenerating from the Axiom in a higher dimension. You're literally bringing up non-existent concepts and putting some headcanon in the ability without any evidence whatsoever to back that up.

3. Again, you're extrapolating what Regenerationn does to a massive degree without any proof that it would negate 1-B power nullification when it is a 3D being that has it.

4. Like, again, what? You're bringing up that he is regenerating from a higher plane based on...? So, I guess Dream Devourer needs High 2-A hax to be affected, since he has Mid-Godly regen and can exist even if all the infinite timelines are destroyed, despite being Low 2-C? I guess Road Kamelot needs Cross Dimensional Range and Destruction to be affected, too? Like, tier 2 to affect her despite her being like, at Town level? Burden of proof is totally on you on this one.

5. Again, you're saying the Regenerationn is coming from a High 1-B plane based on what? That the High 1-B multiverse was destroyed? I bring again the example above. By your logic no SMT character ever can be affected in their regen unless you can somehow destroy the Axiom despite me having 0 feats to prove that they regen from the Axiom.

 

[FateAlbane]

Like seriously. Even if everything explodes, swamp thing is regenerating as a 3D being.

He's not suddenly getting some force from beyond whatever plane on the far reaches of an infinite dimensional multiverse to regen from. He is a 3D being who happens to be able to come back even if there is absolutely nothing and no reality to come back to as long as his regen is working.

That does not equal "He is regenerating from a higher plane!" at all. Read the description of High-Godly:

Able to regenerate even if your existence is erased and the reality you are within is destroyed.

There's nothing here saying that the regen comes from a higher plane of existence. Please. It comes from the being itself regenerating when there's absolutely nothing to regen from. It utterly contradicts this notion of "it's coming from a higher plane" you're bringing up.

 

[FateAlbane]

But, for fairness' sake, I'll drop a message for Azzy to check this out on whether it is one or another, lest we'll keep this going for eons.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You know when we did "Can't use higher dimensional hax because it's unfair"? I liked it.

This.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

The Green is not high 1-B force?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It is 2-A. The World Tree is High 1-B.

 

[Phoenix821]

DIdn't John Constantine once cut Swamp thing's connection to the green? Kharn could probably do it as well

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Oh so base Swamp Thing only has 2-A regen then.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

DIdn't John Constantine once cut Swamp thing's connection to the green? Kharn could probably do it as well

Cut off his connection to the green is not the issue since he can still regenerate. But one must have power nul above baseline 2-A I think to nul his regen.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Mate, John is the master of Prep Time while Kharn is a barbarian who charges into combat.

 

[FateAlbane]

Thought so. 2-A Power Null to be nulled is still pretty impressive, all things considered. But being fair, I didn't argue that Khorne would want to nullify it.

Just that he would be capable of doing so if he wanted to.

Now whether he does it is another matter entirely.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Bump.

 

[LordGinSama]

That title is ******* golden