- 2,338
- 1,834
It’s a low end value for an actual rubber bullet slug you can buy to shoot with. I made a pretty clear case for why the 60m/s figure was not valid above.How good is the argument for the bullets speed?
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It’s a low end value for an actual rubber bullet slug you can buy to shoot with. I made a pretty clear case for why the 60m/s figure was not valid above.How good is the argument for the bullets speed?
Yeah, I will handle that.Is somebody willing to place the above calculation in a blog for calc group evaluation?
All this calc are using the assumption that her hands started moving after the bullet got close to her face and that's the major flawSo I asked user M3X to calc the feat
The calc he refers to is this one.
This is whereabouts I pegged the feat from the beginning so I think it's a safe calculation to use for people on Maki's level (at that time) and above.
Thank you for helping out.Yeah, I will handle that.
Here is the blogThank you for helping out.
Thank you.Here is the blog
While the math is correct the basis is wrong and alsoThank you for the help. The calculation result can probably be used then.
The basis is not wrong. You are literally making up convolutions in order to try and invalidate was is a very straightforward feat that is quite ubiquitous across fiction.While the math is correct the basis is wrong and also
Too high, past what is stated in verse
I will like you to prove that make did not move her hand before the bullet got that closeThe basis is not wrong. You are literally making up convolutions in order to try and invalidate was is a very straightforward feat that is quite ubiquitous across fiction.
But maki could not tag him??? Lol makes absolute no sense, according to.your calc, maki is 19 times faster than him but she could not tag him??No it's not. All the statement you are referring to dictates is that Noaya moved into mach speeds. Meaning he is > Mach 1. His technique is also about movement speed, while Maki's feat is a reaction/combat feat.
I commented on the blog about the problem I have with itOkay. Please explain further.
Pain's understanding is that Maki reacted as the bullet was fired, however, this is wrong:Okay. Please explain further.
Pain's understanding is that Maki reacted as the bullet was fired, however, this is wrong:
Maki in the moment didn't know of Mai's technique, unknowingly Maki is running up to Mai, believing she is out of bullets. Maki then is caught off guard and surprised by the bullet. We see that the bullet got close to her as she had been unknown of the bullet. Maki only then after moves to catch it, after it gets close to her, this is seen as we see her movements come after the bullet near hits her in the manga (As seen below), showing that the bullet almost hits then Maki moves to catch it.
We also see this interpretation in the anime, solidifying that among both the manga and anime (Primary and secondary sources) view the scene as Maki reacting after the bullet almost hits.
Full chapter so it shows I am not taking scans out of context. Also recommended to gain a better understanding.
TL;dr:
- Maki is unexpected of the bullet, as she didn't know Mai can create one, surprising her and catching her off guard.
- Maki is shown only to move and catch the bullet after its almost hits her, this is seen in the scans above (and chapter), showing that the the bullet almost hits then shemoves and not moves as it is fired. This interpretation in the anime, (A secondary source), solidifying the interpretation that Maki moves after. The anime was also worked along side the Gege (author of series).
This was acknowledged and said in the thread, don't lie. I have made numerous comments about it. You choosing to ignore them doesn't make them no exist.Zero attempt has been made to address or even acknowledge the concerns and criticisms the have been pointed out by the proposed calculation. This is ridiculous; we are just back to square one.
So I made my own calc, using the backward movement scenario to explain the discrepancy.
Jujutsu Kaisen: Mai's Bullet Catch - Super Hyper Enhanced Ultra Cursed Edition
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Result is 14.804 m/s.
This is a freaking blatant lie, my questions are
That Maki is surprised by the attack and not anticipating it, which causes the bullet to get up to her. Her movements are literally shown after the bullet gets near her, showing she doesn't move until after the ballet gets near her, this is supported as the anime also follows this interpretation, showing that this is the way to interpret it, a secondary source that was worked on by the author as well.1. Where is your proof that make arms did not move prior to it getting that close to her
Because of body momentum of catching the bullet has moved her head and body to the side. This is support as its what is visually shown. This was said multiple times.2. Where is the proof that she didn't move her head?
I am talking about the calc Dr._whiteee posted, not the thread; pay attention. The calc changing how the arm movement is calculated and plugging in a higher bullet speed does nothing to address the criticism/concerns; the change to the design of the original calc is minimal so the original cricisms/concerns remain the same.This was acknowledged and said in the thread, don't lie. I have made numerous comments about it. You choosing to ignore them doesn't make them no exist.
She didn't move back in the manga. We literally see that her body has shifted to the side when she caught the bullet, she didn't move back. The anime is something different, and you could make the argument for her moving back. but not manga. Her body is shifted to the side because of the momentum of moving to catch the bullet. That is why her hand is off to the side, her body off to the side and her HEAD is off to the side.
Nice calc, but its based off a faulty understanding.
The feat doesn't make much sense at all, the bullet was about to hit her, but when she catches it, the bullet is suddenly a meter away from her, how can we calculate something like this if we don't know how far the bullet moved compared to her arm?
@Armorchompy @DemonGodMitchAubin @KieranH10 @Wokistanwhitee's calc
Maki Catches a Bullet (again)
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shadow's calc
Jujutsu Kaisen: Mai's Bullet Catch - Super Hyper Enhanced Ultra Cursed Edition
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now someone call the calc members and lets get this done
She was slightly leaning forward to begin with, even before she began to move to catch the bullet. Her learning still slightly forward after is not a problem.If you notice, I am only arguing from the manga. If she moved to the side why can't we see her body or head while she was catching the bullet? Did she become invisible?
Because she didn't, nothing indicates she did (in manga). While we visually see that she has moved to the side. You're basis is the time where she is catching the bullet and isn't present is her moving backwards, while I'm saying that she isn't present is because she moved to the side.If you notice, I am only arguing from the manga. If she moved to the side why can't we see her body or head while she was catching the bullet? Did she become invisible?
The speed used is based on the prior argument in thread. But even lowering the speed to 60 m/s the it is still hypersonic in speed. Based on argument of bullet speeds, I have read it and am in agreement with Dr._Whites argument but if 60 m/s is used, it isn't much of a problem.I am talking about the calc Dr._whiteee posted, not the thread; pay attention. The calc changing how the arm movement is calculated and plugging in a higher bullet speed does nothing to address the criticism/concerns; the change to the design of the original calc is minimal so the original cricisms/concerns remain the same.
That was about the anime, not the manga.As Therefir said:
The feat either doesn't make sense and is to be discarded, or the discrepancy is to be resolved. Currently bending backwards seems to be a solution to resolve the discrepancy.
hmm
That Maki is surprised by the attack and not anticipating it, which causes the bullet to get up to her. Her movements are literally shown after the bullet gets near her, showing she doesn't move until after the ballet gets near her, this is supported as the anime also follows this interpretation, showing that this is the way to interpret it, a secondary source that was worked on by the author as well.
Because of body momentum of catching the bullet has moved her head and body to the side. This is support as its what is visually shown. This was said multiple times.
It wasn't, otherwise the initial things you said would have been asking for proof not just "hurr assumption bad".I asked for proof not more head canon, seriously send your scans
"That Maki is surprised by the attack and not anticipating it, which causes the bullet to get up to her. Her movements are literally shown after the bullet gets near her"That Maki is surprised by the attack and not anticipating it, which causes the bullet to get up to her. Her movements are literally shown after the bullet gets near her, showing she doesn't move until after the ballet gets near her, this is supported as the anime also follows this interpretation, showing that this is the way to interpret it, a secondary source that was worked on by the author as well.
I can't even understand why someone would lie and make false malicious claims but proof nothing, truly a shameless person.I can't even understand why anyone would argue she didn't move her head or she was surprised blatant dishonesty a really clear one
I agree with White's method, she seems to react after the bullet was just inches away from impacting her face, rather than moving her hand the moment the bullet was fired.@Armorchompy @DemonGodMitchAubin @KieranH10 @Wokistan
Would you be willing to evaluate which of the above calculations that is most reliable to use, and then tell us here, please?
Thank you for your helpI just went and measured the distance myself, and got Supersonic+ results.
This was answered already. Where is her head? Off screen to the side. Her head isn't present in the panel of catching the bullet, because her head moved to the left as seen below the panel because of the momentum of catching the bullet, at the same time as the bullet was caught. That is why it isn't present. We literally see that she is leaning out of the way too, of her original heads position.White's calc still begs the question and doesn't provide an answer to the original calc's criticism; where is Maki's head? There is about 19.7 cm between the bullet and the right side of the panel, which is much larger than 4.7 cm:
No, she didn't already move her head. Her head moved out of the way the same time she caught the bullet. It didn't happen separate. Her head being moved out of the way by her momentum and her catching the bullet all happened at the same time.If she already moved her head away from the trajectory of the bullet, then the timeframe she has to move her arm and catch the bullet becomes much larger and therefore different.
220 m/s is based of some sound argument, even so, using 60 m/s would still give supersonic.220 m/s for the rubber bullet's speed is also arbitrary.
I agree with White's method, she seems to react after the bullet was just inches away from impacting her face, rather than moving her hand the moment the bullet was fired.
However, there's no way that bullet is just one centimeter away from her, they need to measure the distance between the bullet and her head, not the distance between the bullet and her hair.
Thank you very much for helping out. If @Dr._whiteee updates his calculation blog accordingly, the new result can probably be used then.I just went and measured the distance myself, and got Supersonic+ results.
Therefir commented his results directly on my blog so should be good. I’ll add it directly to the blog after work.Thank you very much for helping out. If @Dr._whiteee updates his calculation blog accordingly, the new result can probably be used then.