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Jotaro encounters a ball (Grace)

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Jotaro vs Meta Knight
  • Both are 4-A
  • Speed is equalized
  • This is SP:OH Jotaro vs Post-SS MK
  • Location is at Cairo
  • Music
Votes:

"Yare Yare Daze": 8 (Manu Zarri, StrymULTRA, Stillwinston, Lord JJJ, Popted2, Joshpiece, Armorchompy, BlackDarkness679)
"Come back when you can put up a fight": 1 (Eficiente)
Incon:
 
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I heard Kirby charcthers scales borderline 3-C.

he got EE resistance but is it 4D?
if not then Jotaro can time stop and RO probably
 
btw EE being 4D or not dosen't matter. does EE that Meta survived was also able to errase souls, mind and will?
 
No, and "will" there seems out of place.

Does Jotaro even saw DIO use that power?
 
If you erase the person the stand goes away too, that's like pointing out how the EE erases bones and blood.

Jotaro could theoretically use the same stuff DIO used on him, but we don't know if he will or what he could do given that he pretty much can do anything he feels like doing. It's not worth saying that he will use EE like it was some IC move for him.
 
Eficiente said:
If you erase the person the stand goes away too, that's like pointing out how the EE erases bones and blood.
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as far as we know HA Dio has deleted valentines from infinite universes and so has D4C. we know that Jotaro would use RO tho
 
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manu_zarri said:
as far as we know HA God has deleted valentines from infinite universes and so has D4C.
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That random use of the power and info doesn't matter.

Yes, Jotaro would use RO, in some way. MK seems notably more likely to win
  • If MK attacks first, Jotaro may
    • try to hit him first, getting more likely outskilled and hit by MK, losing.
    • defend himself w/ SPOH w/o knowing MK's power and die.
    • try to overwrite MK thinking it's a Stand and get blown up by the combined blows.
    • Time stop, attack MK, and fail to harm him. From there we don't know if he can use RO within stopped time as neither he or DIO did so. But repositioning after the stopped time gives Jotaro an edge he may need to land a hit, and whatever use of RO he may use will likely kill MK, so that's a win-con for Jotaro.
  • If Jotaro attacks then
    • W/o time stop he gets outskilled and hit first.
    • W/ time stop it's again a win for him, a likely win but not 100% of the times.
 
Eficiente said:
That random use of the power and info doesn't matter.

Yes, Jotaro would use RO, in some way. MK seems notably more likely to win
  • If MK attacks first, Jotaro may
    • try to hit him first, getting more likely outskilled and hit by MK, losing.
    • defend himself w/ SPOH w/o knowing MK's power and die.
    • try to overwrite MK thinking it's a Stand and get blown up by the combined blows.
    • Time stop, attack MK, and fail to harm him. From there we don't know if he can use RO within stopped time as neither he or DIO did so. But repositioning after the stopped time gives Jotaro an edge he may need to land a hit, and whatever use of RO he may use will likely kill MK, so that's a win-con for Jotaro.
  • If Jotaro attacks then
    • W/o time stop he gets outskilled and hit first.
    • W/ time stop it's again a win for him, a likely win but not 100% of the times.
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just realized that i writed God instead of Dio (translator be like)

btw, Jotaro will probably time stop. it is what it always does, and I don't think there is any reason to think that they can't do it during the time stop (they use lightning during the time stop), btw if he get hit he can still heal himself (as long as he still has conscience, so the 4-A attack must hurt only a part of jotaro body)
 
Jotaro doesn't always lead with it, he doesn't know how easily he can get one-shotted here. Where does DIO use lightning during stopped time? That doesn't seem to make sense. Dude SPOH is a tier 8 glass cannon, MK's 4-A, and quite high into it, and scales to more than enough range to use his power in a way that turns Jotaro into dust in any hit he may land or combined blows (sword against arm) MK and SPOH may have.
 
Eficiente said:
Jotaro doesn't always lead with it, he doesn't know how easily he can get one-shotted here. Where does DIO use lightning during stopped time? That doesn't seem to make sense. Dude SPOH is a tier 8 glass cannon, MK's 4-A, and quite high into it, and scales to more than enough range to use his power in a way that turns Jotaro into dust in any hit he may land or combined blows (sword against arm) MK and SPOH may have.
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since he learned to use it in fights he almost always uses it to finish things faster. whether it is tier 8 or less surely with a single shot it does not disintegrate the whole body (unless it is AoE), if it is still conscious it can be cured, otherwise he dies. and anyway yes, they are on profile. also MK can interact with Star Platinum? maybe we didn't understand each other, I'm not saying it doesn't do anything, I'm saying one blow doesn't disintegrate the whole body, so if he has conscience then he can be cured
 
That isn't the same. Yes, MK scales to Kirby being able to use his power to push back a planet-sized foe and crack Popstar in a way that can be seen from space. DIO only stopped time and moved away, like he always does in gameplay, the stopped time wasn't still going after that as it never ended and Jolyne was even moving there.
manu_zarri said:
also MK can interact with Star Platinum?
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You can know that by yourself by the means the wiki gives.
 
Eficiente said:
That isn't the same. Yes, MK scales to Kirby being able to use his power to push back a planet-sized foe and crack Popstar in a way that can be seen from space.
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hm ok? i don't know what you refering on
Eficiente said:
DIO only stopped time and moved away, like he always does in gameplay, the stopped time wasn't still going after that as it never ended and Jolyne was even moving there.
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ye but dio was able to do that, time stop or not, this can be usefull for the fight.

Eficiente said:
You can know that by yourself by the means the wiki gives.
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ok basically he can't
 
All that we know about Jotaro is that he's extremely cautious, and against MK, he'd assume that he is a stand, so he'd start with TS against it, like he did against SHA or Bug Eaten basically. Plus, what else should he do except EE, the best offensive power he has? Or also 2-A BFR. MK doesen't resist any of this anyway, so voting Jotaro here.
 
manu_zarri said:
hm ok? i don't know what you refering on
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You can think about it.
manu_zarri said:
ye but dio was able to do that, time stop or not, this can be usefull for the fight.
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Not before dying.
manu_zarri said:
ok basically he can't
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He can because he has NPI.
StrymULTRA said:
All that we know about Jotaro is that he's extremely cautious, and against MK, he'd assume that he is a stand, so he'd start with TS against it, like he did against SHA or Bug Eaten basically. Plus, what else should he do except EE, the best offensive power he has? Or also 2-A BFR. MK doesen't resist any of this anyway, so voting Jotaro here.
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Doing the same he did against SHA or Bug Eaten means he dies. SHA first attacked Koichi, Jotaro punched it away, tried to attack it again and when SHA telegraphed that it was going to attack Jotaro stopped time to avoid that. The first rat attacked Jotaro and he tried to use his Stand to catch the attack, getting f*cked by it and needing to be healed, against the second rat he had the range disadvantage and once again had to use time stop as a reaction to avoid attacks. Jotaro being cautious=/=Jotaro starts w/ timestop to attack first, that failing means he's open to attacks w/o the ability to stop time to save himself, he uses it as a reaction and to analyze the environment too. That's even part 4 Jotaro, who had more years to think things up and develop, part 3 Jotaro is a bit more of a brute. The chances still stand that Jotaro may try to catch, overpower, or Reality Overwrite an incoming attack from MK and get destroyed.

Jotaro can still very much try to punch MK to death like he did with Heaven DIO, and doing so w/o stopping time is a deadly disadvantage.
 
manu_zarri said:
idk how that was even relevant tbh

he won't die tho

nope, Ctrl+F "Non-Physical Intraction" in Pre-Star Allies = 0. nope, Ctrl+F "Non-Physical Intraction" in Post-Star Allies = 0.
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This looks like trolling.
 
Eficiente said:
This looks like trolling.
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how? i legit Ctrl+F and looke for NPI, he dosen't have it in used key. literally you are giving me a troll for whatever reason, the thing of planet stuff i don't even know why it's been throwed, if it was because the AP gap, i already noticed. also you literally ansewered to my point of time stop spamming and mind hax as "not before dying" which is incredbly vague and not explained. and them im the troll?
 
Basic NPI/ESP doesn't cut it for Stands. Ghosts cannot see nor interact with them, while Stand users can see Ghosts, which means Stands are a layer above. Also Jotaro absolutely leads with Timestop in almost all situations.
 
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That's a headcanon, the only ghost that would make one believe that got blizted and you could very much interpret that she saw the Stand coming to attack her but simply couldn't dodge, given her face when that happened. And then that's it, no other case of Stands not being seen by ghosts, or never once there was a case of a ghost failing to affect a Stand. Heck if anything the ghostly hands, who affected Killer Queen and Cheap Trick, could be reasonably interpretable to be ghosts or ghost-like beings, because other take would be "idk they're weird".

Don't just come in in a Vsthread to say that, make a CRT attempting to add this huge info that should be in everyone's profiles into their profiles.

I already pointed out how Jotaro uses it as a reation to avoid attacks and to analyze the environment too, mostly the former, on top of the SHA and rat fights there's also how he never used it for years after Part 3 and in his fight with an angry Josuke with unknown powers he once again saved the power to use it when really needed to.
 
It's already accepted, actually. So, you'll have to make the CRT.

Anyway, not only is Part 4 Jotaro still pretty spammy with timestop, but he's way calmer and more relaxed than Part 3 Jotaro, who's way more aggressive with his powers. And he never used it for years cause he didn't get in a fight for years lmao
 
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