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Hello fellas. This is the major JoJo's CRT. This thread is meant to correct some scaling, since basically, 99% of the verse is scaling to only one feat, and this feats comes from one of the strongest characters, so it's obvious that this is wrong. I'v calculated a lot of feats with @Chariot190, and credits to him of course. We've calculated and scaled all the characters. We also wrote rewrites with all the scans. The content below is the scaling, please, read everything carefully.
Since some JoJo threads have some serious problems with derailment and some dumb as **** questions, I'd like if you avoid that. Don't mention anything the thread doesn't cover. If it's not here, it isn't relevant at all. My sandbox5 and Chariot's sandbox2 are currently being used to write the new stuff for the profiles, you can edit it with the approved stuff here, of course if for some reason we have to change it. If you are not experienced enough with editing, ask me or any other member who knows it. Always remember to follow the standard format.
Basically any Power Type Stand scales, some a bit and some by a ridiculous degree, Act 2 is explicitly not that powerful, and even in reference to this attack, it wasn't considered anything special by even Koichi himself. Basically any Stand in general actually. Echoes is hilariously weak, definitely not all Stands, some are blatantly weaker, a few are only around the same power.
Tarkus' feat = 8-C 0.71 tons of TNT
Scaling off Jack
Jolyne's feat = 8-C, 0.609 tons of TNT
Planet Waves' feat = 8-C, 0.796 tons of TNT
8-C, 0.46 to 0.61 tons of TNT
Star Platinum and The World scaling chain.
The scaling chain with Star Platinum, The World, Dio and DIO is something to look into. The current value they scale off is 1.75 Tons (8-C+), and the baseline value for High 8-C is 2 Tons. The difference is ~1,14 times, and the scaling chain with those characters makes it possible for Star Platinum and The World (HIGH DIO) to upscale to at least 2 Tons. But first of all, we should note that Jotaro gets stronger while angry, as stated in the databook, and by himself. The fact that he is stronger while angry made him one shot The World (HIGH DIO) to pieces.
The scaling chain is SP Pissed V3. >>> Maximum Power High The World > SP Pissed V2. > Amped TW > SP Pissed V1 >> TW > SP Base > Part 1 Dio (5 times Pre Deep Pass Jonathan)> Tarkus >= Pre Deep Pass Jonathan = Casual 8-C feat SP Pissed V3. (One shot Amped TW), SP Pissed V2. and Amped TW should be High 8-C. SP Pissed V1, TW and SP Base should get some “At least” and “far higher”.
A: A few reasons. Firstly, while it's true that Crazy Diamond broke Star Platinum's guard, that's all he did, taking 6 direct blows to actually do it, against a Star Platinum who wasn't trying to fight or hurt Josuke. Furthering that Star Platinum wasn't actually damaged by the assault and Josuke was furious at the time, with it bei9ng confirmed that when Josuke gets mad, like when Jotaro insulted his hair by accident, his power increases by an unknown by seemingly drastic degree, meaning, Crazy Diamond needed to be furious; amped, to simply break down a casual Star Platinum's guard without actually afflicting visible damage. And despite a few of Araki's lines, it's been reiterated numerous times, not only in Part 4 itself, the actual narrative and even the most recent guides, that Star Platinum is the strongest Stand within the Part, thus direct scaling for a early Crazy Diamond is already quite suspect.
Q: Why doesn't Hierophant Green scale from Star Platinum/The World?
A: Jotaro held back, and not even by a bit, Jotaro merely used enough force to knock HG out so he could take him for questioning and as such scaling Hierophant to SP's actual attack is extremely suspect, especially given in that very same chapter, Jotaro showcases how easily he could kill Kakyoin, being able to casually crush his skull with his bare hand with very little effort if he wanted to but then goes on to say he doesn't need to do that and he'll only knock him, which is what he does. Even later, when Jotaro learns that Kakyoin is gonna die, Joseph has to quickly point out that it isn't Jotaro's fault that he's going to die and he tried his best so not to worry, it wasn't his doing. For The World, a common thing many forget is that Stands get weaker and stronger depending on the range, and in a few cases it's quite drastic, when The World punched Hierophant, it was at the very edge of his effective range, that of 10m, meaning The World was at his absolute weakest and to further that, it was a casual blow done with barely any effort at his weakest, and that very blow still did a number on Kakyoin, thus it's not exactly feasible to scale him to The World's standard strength.
Q: Why doesn't The Hand scale to 8-C?
A: For the same reason CD doesn't scale to SP in full, especially early on. But unlike CD, who gets progressively stronger as the Part goes, The Hand was done dirty, he's comparable, if not a bit stronger than early CD in base, but by the time the middle of the part enters, CD is far above The Hand, to give you an idea, RHCP with a charge blows off The Hand's arm, with his pinky, while barely trying. Crazy Diamond is stronger than this variant of RHCP. Meaning, CD's stated "much stronger", is straight up enough to dismember The Hand. Which leaves the the only scaling available to early CD. The guide don't give anything either, he's stated to merely be as strong as a standard Power Type, which is kinda vague.
Q: Why does DIO in Part 3 scale to Part 1? Didn't he get weaker?
A: Not inherently, while it's true that his body in Part 3 isn't on par with the body in Part 1, it's never stated to be power/durability/speed that is weaker (With the latter even being presumably faster), in fact DIO specifies what's wrong with his body, and it's that his regeneration and immortality is compromised, the actual raw power of it is never stated to be an issue and based on his showings by he himself physically, the fact he drinks people like I drink (Which would make him more powerful over time), that seems to be the case given he's far and above basic vampires still, his minions and can do things like deflect the Emerald Splash, or how he takes comparable damage to the body as he does his head, which is still his own. Put simply, saying he got weaker is just an assumption, a fair one maybe, but an assumption none the less, as such, there's no reason why he'd scale below Part 1 Dio and if he did, it wouldn't be by much to begin with, though the "likely" exists for that small chance that he is indeed physically less powerful.
Q: Why is Part 2, High 8-C?
A: Because they could literally ******* kill a man, that man being Dio, with ease. Basic upscaling, plus that weird ass durability feat. But even without that, they scale far and above Dio, hell they scale far above a dude who scales far above Dio.
Q: Why is Dio 5x Jonathan?
A: Because he's outright stated to be, and within the same page he fodderizes them and is stated to have outright multiplied his strength several times over. Basic stuff actually.
Since some JoJo threads have some serious problems with derailment and some dumb as **** questions, I'd like if you avoid that. Don't mention anything the thread doesn't cover. If it's not here, it isn't relevant at all. My sandbox5 and Chariot's sandbox2 are currently being used to write the new stuff for the profiles, you can edit it with the approved stuff here, of course if for some reason we have to change it. If you are not experienced enough with editing, ask me or any other member who knows it. Always remember to follow the standard format.
Echoes creates an explosion
9-A 0.04671999762 Tons of TNTBasically any Power Type Stand scales, some a bit and some by a ridiculous degree, Act 2 is explicitly not that powerful, and even in reference to this attack, it wasn't considered anything special by even Koichi himself. Basically any Stand in general actually. Echoes is hilariously weak, definitely not all Stands, some are blatantly weaker, a few are only around the same power.
- Act 2 (His feat).
- Early Crazy Diamond for being, well, powerful comparatively.
- The Hand for being slightly stronger.
- RHCP for one shotting The Hand with a charge.
- Killer Queen for fodderizing Act 3.
- Yukako, since she took the explosion.
Jack destroys a tunnel and Tarkus hill feat
Jack's feat = 8-C 0.28 to 0.90 tons of TNT.Tarkus' feat = 8-C 0.71 tons of TNT
Scaling off Jack
- Jonathan Joestar, is comparable to Jack.
- Joseph Joestar. Above Pre-Deep Pass Jonathan.
- Caesar Anthonio Zeppeli, who's equal to Joseph.
- Will Anthonio Zeppeli' Sendo; Comparable to Jack.
- Dire is likened to be at least equal with him. Straizo is also played off as comparable, though given his youth, it's hard to tell.
- Due to Part 1 Dio scaling to 5 times Jack's (from 1.4 to 1.85 tons of TNT) and 2.5 times Tarkus' value (1.75tons of TNT), this scales to:
- Santana, above Part 1 Dio. (Can be upscaled to High 8-C.)
- Star Platinum, above Dio and his minions.
- Part 4 and 6 Star Platinum scales above any other Stand of those Parts, since he is stated a lot of times to be strongest Stand ever.
- The World for being stronger.
- Pissed Star Platinum for one shotting The World (Can be upscaled to High 8-C.)
- Heightened The World for being more comparable to pissed Star Platinum (Can be upscaled to High 8-C.)
- Prime Star Platinum for annihilating Heightened The World in one blow (Can be upscaled to High 8-C.)
- Enraged Crazy Diamond, while weaker, it could break down Part 4 Star Platinum's guard.
- Those that an enraged Crazy Diamond scales too. (Honestly can't think of anyone consistently, but in case there is one).
- Whitesnake and friends off of Star Platinum downscaling?
- Weather Report for being physically stronger than Whitesnake.
- Emerald Splash, could cause slight damage to DIO when he failed to block it.
- Chariot, could skewer Dio, while not quite, he almost dealt actual destabilizing damage. Destrtoyed Vanilla Ice.
- Vanilla Ice. A vampire created by Dio much like Tarkus and Jack, though unlike them, who are exceptionally strong zombies, Vanilla is a Vampire and as such, should be prone to being at least slightly above them as all were created by Dio.
- King Crimson (Can be upscaled to High 8-C.). This scales to:
- Several Part 5 Stands then downscale off King Crimson, notably Sticky Fingers who could knock the wind out of him briefly.
- Spice Girl, above Sticky but below King Crimson.
- Note: If King Crimson is 8-C+, Sticky Fingers scales to baseline 8-C, if he is High 8-C, then they downscale to 8-C+.
- Tarkus and Bruford, should be comparable, Tarkus especially should be blatantly above Jack.
- Dio than scales off Post Deep Pass Jonathan.
Joseph endures gravity
High 8-C, 2.041 tons of TNT- Post Training versions of Joseph Joestar and Caesar Anthonio Zeppeli
- Wamuu and Esidisi, above Santana.
- Rudol von Stroheim, above Santana.
- Santana (Via upscaling)
- Lisa Lisa scales to 3 times this value (6.123 Tons), since she's 3 times more powerful than Joseph. This scales to:
- Kars and his blade, Joseph Joestar's Ultimate Hamon Overdrive, and Rudol von Stroheim
Underworld creates a hole, Jolyne's fast punch and Planet Waves
Underworld's feat = 8-C, 0.4691 tons of TNTJolyne's feat = 8-C, 0.609 tons of TNT
Planet Waves' feat = 8-C, 0.796 tons of TNT
- Underworld himself (POSSIBLY ONLY)
- Planet Waves himself.
- Jolyne herself (POSSIBLY ONLY)
- Stone Free, is physically stronger than Underworld.
- Mid Part Stone Free scales to Planet Waves' feat.
- Kiss for having more attack output than Stone Free.
- Whitesnake, capable of attacking with tremendous power. Caused far greater damage to Stone Free beyond what these attacks did, taking her arm clean off and a chunk of her abdomen.
- Foo Fighters. While weaker, could cause minor damage with bullets created from her body.
- Stands that scales to or above Stone Free or any other Stands from above.
Red Hot Chili Pepper energy drain
High 8-C 7.83 tons of TNT, since RHCP spends energy with each punch, 10 punches means 0.79 tons of TNT, 8-C- RHCP himself, takes this power and adds it himself, amplifying his physical attacks proportionally.
- Crazy Diamond downscaling for competing with it briefly. He's weaker, but not to the degree that he's being made out to be, he actually exchanged blows briefly and RHCP was forced to do this to actually overpower him, prior he couldn't. Crazy Diamond's durability mid part, took 3 direct blows and took only superfluous damage, managed to walk it off a minute later and was fine minutes later.
8-C, 0.46 to 0.61 tons of TNT
- Magician's Red
- Armored Silver Chariot and Chariot's attack potency, at least.
Golden Experience Requiem
Scales to whatever the highest result is.Star Platinum and The World scaling chain.
The scaling chain with Star Platinum, The World, Dio and DIO is something to look into. The current value they scale off is 1.75 Tons (8-C+), and the baseline value for High 8-C is 2 Tons. The difference is ~1,14 times, and the scaling chain with those characters makes it possible for Star Platinum and The World (HIGH DIO) to upscale to at least 2 Tons. But first of all, we should note that Jotaro gets stronger while angry, as stated in the databook, and by himself. The fact that he is stronger while angry made him one shot The World (HIGH DIO) to pieces.
The scaling chain is SP Pissed V3. >>> Maximum Power High The World > SP Pissed V2. > Amped TW > SP Pissed V1 >> TW > SP Base > Part 1 Dio (5 times Pre Deep Pass Jonathan)> Tarkus >= Pre Deep Pass Jonathan = Casual 8-C feat SP Pissed V3. (One shot Amped TW), SP Pissed V2. and Amped TW should be High 8-C. SP Pissed V1, TW and SP Base should get some “At least” and “far higher”.
Q&A
Q: Why doesn't Crazy Diamond scale to Star Platinum in full? He broke his guard?A: A few reasons. Firstly, while it's true that Crazy Diamond broke Star Platinum's guard, that's all he did, taking 6 direct blows to actually do it, against a Star Platinum who wasn't trying to fight or hurt Josuke. Furthering that Star Platinum wasn't actually damaged by the assault and Josuke was furious at the time, with it bei9ng confirmed that when Josuke gets mad, like when Jotaro insulted his hair by accident, his power increases by an unknown by seemingly drastic degree, meaning, Crazy Diamond needed to be furious; amped, to simply break down a casual Star Platinum's guard without actually afflicting visible damage. And despite a few of Araki's lines, it's been reiterated numerous times, not only in Part 4 itself, the actual narrative and even the most recent guides, that Star Platinum is the strongest Stand within the Part, thus direct scaling for a early Crazy Diamond is already quite suspect.
Q: Why doesn't Hierophant Green scale from Star Platinum/The World?
A: Jotaro held back, and not even by a bit, Jotaro merely used enough force to knock HG out so he could take him for questioning and as such scaling Hierophant to SP's actual attack is extremely suspect, especially given in that very same chapter, Jotaro showcases how easily he could kill Kakyoin, being able to casually crush his skull with his bare hand with very little effort if he wanted to but then goes on to say he doesn't need to do that and he'll only knock him, which is what he does. Even later, when Jotaro learns that Kakyoin is gonna die, Joseph has to quickly point out that it isn't Jotaro's fault that he's going to die and he tried his best so not to worry, it wasn't his doing. For The World, a common thing many forget is that Stands get weaker and stronger depending on the range, and in a few cases it's quite drastic, when The World punched Hierophant, it was at the very edge of his effective range, that of 10m, meaning The World was at his absolute weakest and to further that, it was a casual blow done with barely any effort at his weakest, and that very blow still did a number on Kakyoin, thus it's not exactly feasible to scale him to The World's standard strength.
Q: Why doesn't The Hand scale to 8-C?
A: For the same reason CD doesn't scale to SP in full, especially early on. But unlike CD, who gets progressively stronger as the Part goes, The Hand was done dirty, he's comparable, if not a bit stronger than early CD in base, but by the time the middle of the part enters, CD is far above The Hand, to give you an idea, RHCP with a charge blows off The Hand's arm, with his pinky, while barely trying. Crazy Diamond is stronger than this variant of RHCP. Meaning, CD's stated "much stronger", is straight up enough to dismember The Hand. Which leaves the the only scaling available to early CD. The guide don't give anything either, he's stated to merely be as strong as a standard Power Type, which is kinda vague.
Q: Why does DIO in Part 3 scale to Part 1? Didn't he get weaker?
A: Not inherently, while it's true that his body in Part 3 isn't on par with the body in Part 1, it's never stated to be power/durability/speed that is weaker (With the latter even being presumably faster), in fact DIO specifies what's wrong with his body, and it's that his regeneration and immortality is compromised, the actual raw power of it is never stated to be an issue and based on his showings by he himself physically, the fact he drinks people like I drink (Which would make him more powerful over time), that seems to be the case given he's far and above basic vampires still, his minions and can do things like deflect the Emerald Splash, or how he takes comparable damage to the body as he does his head, which is still his own. Put simply, saying he got weaker is just an assumption, a fair one maybe, but an assumption none the less, as such, there's no reason why he'd scale below Part 1 Dio and if he did, it wouldn't be by much to begin with, though the "likely" exists for that small chance that he is indeed physically less powerful.
Q: Why is Part 2, High 8-C?
A: Because they could literally ******* kill a man, that man being Dio, with ease. Basic upscaling, plus that weird ass durability feat. But even without that, they scale far and above Dio, hell they scale far above a dude who scales far above Dio.
Q: Why is Dio 5x Jonathan?
A: Because he's outright stated to be, and within the same page he fodderizes them and is stated to have outright multiplied his strength several times over. Basic stuff actually.
Fully agree
