Jetstream Sam VS Zer0: Metal Gear vs Borderlands

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Jetstream Sam VS Zer0​

• Both are High 7-C
• Samuel does not have access to his other equipment other than his sword
• Battle takes place in an open field, 20 meters apart
• Zer0 has prior knowledge on Sam's blade, but nothing else
• Speed is equalized

Brazilian: 5 (DaReaperMan, XSOULOFCINDERX, GlaceonGamez471, Acer__, Knifeman29)

Robo-bitch:

 

[rawXDglomp]

Sam's so stupidly arrogant he'd probably let Zero gain range on him while he flaunts about like an asshole, which could make him lose. Even if he doesn't Zero has invisibility.
If they get close though I really don't see what zero does. But he has prior knowledge, so he wouldn't be getting close.
I'd give it zero pretty much purely because Sam is a jack-ass who rarely takes fights seriously and he really should be.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Sam's so stupidly arrogant he'd probably let Zero gain range on him while he flaunts about like an asshole, which could make him lose. Even if he doesn't Zero has invisibility.
If they get close though I really don't see what zero does. But he has prior knowledge, so he wouldn't be getting close.
I'd give it zero pretty much purely because Sam is a jack-ass who rarely takes fights seriously and he really should be.

You are completely, and UTTERLY misconstructing how Sam fights. He taunts like an ass to get his opponent angry and for them to make mistakes, he's not arrogant, in fact he's actually smart and fights that way, he also likes to spam a move that's a speed amp way over 10x in Laido, and can dash a damn good distance, enough to clear this kind of a gap even.

 

[rawXDglomp]

Him standing still like a jackass to make his opponent mad while they run away, turn invisible and shoot him is why he will lose this fight. His intent in doing this doesn't matter. Whoo, he's trying to make zero mad. So? He's still letting him create space. He's still getting shot.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Him standing still like a jackass to make his opponent mad while they run away, turn invisible and shoot him is why he will lose this fight. His intent in doing this doesn't matter. Whoo, he's trying to make zero mad. So? He's still letting him create space. He's still getting shot.

You realize that Raiden, someone Sam is more skillful than, can reflect machine gun fire that scales to his speed with ease right?

 

[rawXDglomp]

Yea. And Zero can just throw an exploding gun he won't know will explode until its too late (zero's the only one with info on enemy for some reason), use the life sucking grenades that can't be deflected at all, rockets, the norfleet, etc. Plenty of options he wouldn't be able to just casually reflect.
He can probably just shoot so much it overwhelms Sam. He's shooting bullets that move twice as fast as they actually should and reloads at inhuman speeds.
He also regenerates while invisible.
Way I see it the only way Zero loses this fight to be stupid, and its Sam who's more of an idiot ic, regardless of how much he thinks he's being smart.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Then Sam dodges and laido dashes to Zero and cuts him in half

 

[Comiphorous]

just going to chime in here and just go along with the 'sam gets shot because cocky lol' thing; Lets say at the unfortunate circumstance sam somehow gets shot, he's able to keep going after being slashed across the chest with a sword that disrupts your atoms, i think he'll be fine being shot with a bullet. sure one is piercing but he's got a mechanical arm he can even throw it in the way if it comes down to it.

Him being shot not only is unlikely, but likely wont even kill him.

 

[rawXDglomp]

A bullet. Why would Zero shoto a bullet? He can throw a gun that shoots for him while he also has another gun that shoots for him while he shoots you with bullets that move faster than bullets in reality actually do. He can triple shoot laser explosives that cover a massive area that then explode to cover a larger area. To say Sam can just casually dodge all of this at once is just insane wank for the skills Sam actually shows as a playable character, in cutscenes or as an enemy. These aren't just 'bullets'. They're twice the speed of bullets. At the minimum. Being fired by a guy who can be invisible.

If you do think Sam is that ******* skilled, that its absolutely impossible for Zero to hit him even once (and if he is shot not even care), even if he's, as he does ic, messing around, and zero is using the best weapons available in his game with a maxed skill tree, why did you make this match you think is a stomp to that absurd a level?

 

[Abstractions]

I think an important question to ask is how would an HF Blade or Sam interact with the corrosive element? Because Nova shields do exist and striking Zer0 would surely deplete it.

 

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[DaReaperMan]

A bullet. Why would Zero shoto a bullet? He can throw a gun that shoots for him while he also has another gun that shoots for him while he shoots you with bullets that move faster than bullets in reality actually do. He can triple shoot laser explosives that cover a massive area that then explode to cover a larger area. To say Sam can just casually dodge all of this at once is just insane wank for the skills Sam actually shows as a playable character, in cutscenes or as an enemy. These aren't just 'bullets'. They're twice the speed of bullets. At the minimum. Being fired by a guy who can be invisible.

Have you ever heard of this dude called, "Raiden"? The dude Sam actually scales to in large part in terms of skill, here's his repetuor below.
Do note that Raiden's at the top of a huge scaling chain where the bottom of it, is genetically spliced super soldiers with enhanced senses and based on data from other super soldiers (Like Null and Gene), virtual training and eclipse any soldier on earth and are above dudes who eclipse any soldiers on earth, have fought in multiple wars, deemed super soldiers, have analytical prediction and even psionic abilities, can clear whole rooms of trained elite men armed with weapons with no guns themselves while being attacked all at once and are for the most part, straight up superhuman, all the while knowing a multitude of various combat styles to the point of perfection and were deemed weapons in and of themselves.
And that's ******* shit trash that isn't even worth mentioning, who are below the other shit trash that are the equivalent of a goomba.
And then there's like ten skill ***** inbetween those and then Raiden himself.
And then he becomes a robot and just gets more skilled, he also has reactive PL, but instead of power, it's skill.
Like dude can pick up a sword, and within minutes start out skilling trained elites who are experts with the blade who all wear cybernetic tengu suits while he himself is a twink with no such suit.
As a child he was forced to have fought in wars and was so good, he was given the title jack the ripper because he got a stupid high kill count and was extremely good at murdering all his foes even while sedated half the time.
He can also fight dudes who can analyze and predict what enemies would do based on muscle movements and Raiden himself can't be read.
Like the dude can fend off a group of elite dudes while missing his arms, while weakened, and being ganged by like a dozen ******* and can do so for a solid five minutes, like the dude can sword fight without any limbs.
He also has undergone virtual training for effectively every combat scenario.
He also picks up a martial arts that hard counters all other forms of fighting prowess.

On top of the fact that Sam has ample time to just, ya know, move out of the way of the AOEs cause they're slow as anything since speed is equal, or perhaps do what literally every single character who uses a sword in MG can do and hit bullets out of the air when they're "bullets that move faster than bullets in reality actually do", which should be obvious, cause were in the percentile of the speed of light for both of these characters.

Also, Sam completely and utterly casually skillfucked Raiden on their first encounter, so there's that, too.

If you do think Sam is that ******* skilled, that its absolutely impossible for Zero to hit him even once (and if he is shot not even care), even if he's, as he does ic, messing around, and zero is using the best weapons available in his game with a maxed skill tree, why did you make this match you think is a stomp to that absurd a level?

Strategy is what Sam is employing when he's taunting, you see, he's trying to get people to make mistakes, so unfortunately for your argument, Sam doesn't piss around unless the opponent pretty much can't at all fight him. why would this be the case when somebody is trying to shoot him with very clearly not-regular bullets and has just gone invisible? Oh and by the way Sam can very easily react to and dodge or counter sneak attacks coming from invisible opponents.

I didn't make this match, if you'll scroll up, you won't see my avatar or name anywhere in the Opening Post.

 

[rawXDglomp]

If speed equal effects his projectiles despite his projectiles explicitly being 2x speed via skill tree, this is a stupid fight where Zero is being artificially removed of his greatest advantage and sure, Sam can win a Zero who can't fight right because of limitations that only really effect him.
Well biggest advantage otuside of his stealth, regenerating armor, regenerating health, weapons that stick to things, invisible projectiles he has no way to see or dodge, carpet bombs, life steal, homing projectiles, automated projectiles, automated homing projectiles, damage multiplication, vastly superior range, decoy, projectiles that bounce off the map and move towards the enemy.

If Sam's skill is going to be wanked to the point he can dodge multiples sources of homing fire at once (all of which are faster than him outside of a mode he can't spam as much as Zero can spam bullets and some of which are homing or completely invisible) infinitely without fail ever (whereas Zero has doubled over regen) while also being carpeted by giant aoe's or attacks that stick to him or the floor and also should be moving faster than his base movespeed then this is a stomp.

Why even is this speed equal? They're both listed as sub-relativisitc? Was it made speed equal just to **** over Zero's projectiles, despite him being a character who primarily fights via projectiles, from a game about using projectiles? Sam is only higher with a buff, and so is Zero. Althoug Zero's speed buff is much lower, it also lasts much longer.

 

[DaReaperMan]

If speed equal effects his projectiles despite his projectiles explicitly being 2x speed via skill tree, this is a stupid fight where Zero is being artificially removed of his greatest advantage and sure, Sam can win a Zero who can't fight right because of limitations that only really effect him.
Well biggest advantage otuside of his stealth, regenerating armor, regenerating health, weapons that stick to things so they'd stick to Sam's sword even if he tried to cut, invisible projectiles he has no way to see or dodge, carpet bombs, life steal, homing projectiles, automated projectiles, automated homing projectiles, damage multiplication, vastly superior range, decoy, projectiles that bounce off the map and move towards the enemy.

If Sam's skill is going to be wanked to the point he can dodge multiples sources of homing fire at once (all of which are faster than him outside of a mode he can't spam as much as Zero can spam bullets and some of which are homing or completely invisible) infinitely without fail ever (whereas Zero has doubled over regen) while also being carpeted by giant aoe's or attacks that stick to him or the floor and also should be moving faster than his base movespeed then this is a stomp.

Why even is this speed equal? They're both listed as sub-relativisitc? Was it made speed equal just to **** over Zero's projectiles, despite him being a character who primarily fights via projectiles, from a game about using projectiles? Sam is only higher with a buff, and so is Zero. Althoug Zero's speed buff is much lower, it also lasts much longer.

From your question here, I can already tell you never bothered to read either profile or the versus threads rules page.

Zer0 (Borderlands)

Zero (Stylized as Zer0) is one of the 6 vault hunters that appears in Borderlands 2. Tier: High 7-C Name: Zero Origin: Borderlands Gender: Unknown, appears to be a Male Age: Unknown Classification: Vault Hunter Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Stealth Mastery, Weapon...

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From this profile here Zer0's bullets and such are no faster then his physical speed, which is equalized to the slower party's speed of Sub-Relativistic. And we can't really use stats or hax not already on the profile, so at most 2x Sam's speed which is easy.

Also 2x the speed? Almost like Sam has an attack speed amp well over 10x that he actually does spam in-character, unlike Blade Mode which he uses sometimes, and in-lore can actually spam because lo and behold game mechanics are a thing.

I'll go over these one by one.

Regenerating Armor+health: doesn't matter if any real hit Sam lands is lethal due to his HF blade.
Weapons that stick: don't matter due to HF Blade
Invisible projectiles: don't matter because Sam has dealt with invisible shit before
Carpet bombs: slow as hell and Sam can use the art of just leaving the AOE.
Life Steal: doesn't matter because A: Sam can bisect Zer0 easily due to HF blade, and B: well, ya know. OP sword.
Homing Attack: literally only grenades that home, easily counterable with Vaccum Slashes.
Auto projectiles: Sam yeets a Jam Grenade
Auto homing projectiles: not on profile, irrelevant.
Damage Multiplication: Requires Sam to let himself get hit irrelevant.
Range: such a distance can be crossed in a stupidly low amount of time by Sam due to Sub-Relativistic speeds.
Decoy: Sam has way too keen an eye to be tricked by that.
Bouncy projectiles: not on profile, irrelevant.

So, literally everything here requires Sam to do nothing and let himself get hit, or just straight up isn't in the profile.

Unfortunately for your argument, a few of those aren't on the profile and the rest are easily counterable. Also I'd like proof the projectiles Zer0 shoots while he himself is invisible, are also invisible.

And this right here is what gave away you didn't read profiles or read versus thread rules, normally without speed being equal, Zer0 would be Relativistic+ at 94% the speed of light, Sam normally is 1-2% the speed of light, speed is equalized to make this fair cause otherwise matches for a lot of characters would be borderline impossible. But you also said they were both listed at Sub-relativisitc, which is what gave you entirely away that you hadn't read the profiles.

 

[rawXDglomp]

"Vel0city: +100% Bullet Speed, +15% Critical Hit Damage, and +10% Gun Damage."
I could say the same on you not reading.

As is they're 20 meters apart, which Sam is not instantly covering, or ever covering, given they're speed equal. And he has no real ranged option to speak of. And Zero can turn invisible. And his bullets are faster than both of them. And he has effectively passive projectiles, which can also home. And vastly superior aoe if Sam does get close. Clones. And invisible bullets. And any of these bullets except the homing passive ones (which are corrosive) can be pretty much any of the games elements, which is even more damage.
The argument is that Sam will act OOC to how he does in almost every fight cutscene or not in Rising and be 100% serious instantly, somehow instantly magically close the distance v a guy as fast as he is, who can turn invinsible and boost his speed for longer periods of time than Sam can boost his own speed, and then win in a single hit, having perfectly deflected even completely invisible bullets.
Its not even really worth arguing with that level of skill wank.
Dealt with invisible once doesn't mean he can 100% deal with every invisible thing in fiction. What is this no-limits bs?
Oh and homing projectiles are from guns. BL2 has guns with homing projectiles. Including one that rapidly fires homing projectiles on its passively after being shot out.
The 'carpet' bombs are also about as fast as the characters by default too. And cover a huge area 4 times over. beyond their visible range.

 

[DaReaperMan]

"Vel0city: +100% Bullet Speed, +15% Critical Hit Damage, and +10% Gun Damage."
I could say the same on you not reading.

As is they're 20 meters apart, which Sam is not instantly covering, or ever covering, given they're speed equal. And he has no real ranged option to speak of. And Zero can turn invisible. And his bullets are faster than both of them. And he has effectively passive projectiles, which can also home. And vastly superior aoe if Sam does get close. Clones. And invisible bullets. And any of these bullets except the homing passive ones (which are corrosive) can be pretty much any of the games elements, which is even more damage.
The argument is that Sam will act OOC to how he does in almost every fight cutscene or not in Rising and be 100% serious instantly, somehow instantly magically close the distance v a guy as fast as he is, who can turn invinsible and boost his speed for longer periods of time than Sam can boost his own speed, and then win in a single hit, having perfectly deflected even completely invisible bullets.
Its not even really worth arguing with that level of skill wank.
Dealt with invisible once doesn't mean he can 100% deal with every invisible thing in fiction. What is this no-limits bs?
Oh and homing projectiles are from guns. BL2 has guns with homing projectiles. Including one that rapidly fires homing projectiles on its passively after being shot out.

You didn't read my argument for it did you?

Implying Zer0 will immediately start backpedaling from 20 meters away(which won't be faster then Sam's dash when he notices the little fact Zer0 is using a gun and is more effective at range, plus physics making backpedaling slower then going forward), that he'll immediately activate his invisibility, and he'll immediately start using a specific gun of which if I recall there are hundreds of different guns to pick from.

You mean the same decoys I've already countered working on Sam? You mean the passive projectiles that aren't on the profile? I asked for proof of Zer0's projectiles being invisible when he is, if you cannot provide that I will thus forth consider any mentions of invisible projectiles a non-argument due to lack of proof.

If Sam gets close then Zer0 dies. That's it. That's all she wrote. Sam very badly outskills and Zer0 if I recall doesn't really have escape mechanisms

"Aside from his combat skill, he also possesses a keen wit and a remarkably sarcastic sense of humor, making accurate inferences on Raiden's history and hidden personality as Jack the Ripper as well as taunting his opponents into charging at him recklessly before going for the kill." Gee, it's almost like his cockniness is a strategy of some kind Sam is implementing, but oh no, that wouldn't fit wit your argument, now would it? He actually could very easily do so because Zer0 lacks movement speed amps and blind firing behind you gets nothing done, when checks how many gun variations and such are in Borderlands Zer0 has the option between over 17,750,000 different guns? Hochi mama, no way in hell he picks what he needs to possibly win more times then not. His movement speed boosts specifically aren't at all possible to pull off in this match. Blade Mode having a time limit is game mechanics. See above on invisible projectiles.

It does mean Sam can pretty easily predict and counter attacks from an invisible opponent.

There are over 17,750,000 different variations of guns in Borderlands, you wanna tell me the odds of him actually selecting a homing weapon which isn't on the profile?

 

[DaReaperMan]

And yes, if it ain't on the profile, I can't really accept it, that's how we handle things that aren't skill.

 

[rawXDglomp]

His audio logs pretty consistently say he does infact primarily IC fight at ranged, invisible, with his sniper. And he has all his other weapons in standard gear on this site, and is free to use them in gameplay. There's no reason he wouldn't use the rest when Sam blocks his sniper. He's all about efficiency.
If he started out 1 meter from Sam then he'd try to cut him, but he's not.

Your arguments are too lazy. 'He has a keen eye'. Is not a real argument. That doesn't mean he instantly figures out its a decoy.
'He has countered invisibility before therefore he can 100% counter all invisibility in fiction regardless of mechanics'. Is not an argument. Its a no-limit fallacy.
There's a large difference between countering an invisible opponent and countering an invisible opponent, hundreds of invisible bullets, while also simutaniously dealing with dozens of homing corrosive projectiles, homing grenades that are basically gas based (so how the **** is he meaningfully cutting that?), more bullets from thrown guns that shoot when thrown, all of which are at double speed aside from the nades, on top of potentially massive energy based aoe's that sam also can't make a dent on with his sword or realistically dodge with speed equal.

Voting Zero until your arguments get better.

Zero has fought people with laser weapons in his verse. Guess he neg's Sam and every other similar character in fiction, then. That's the level your arguments are on.

 

[DaReaperMan]

His audio logs pretty consistently say he does infact primarily IC fight at ranged, invisible, with his sniper. And he has all his other weapons in standard gear on this site, and is free to use them in gameplay. There's no reason he wouldn't use the rest when Sam blocks his sniper. He's all about efficiency.
If he started out 1 meter from Sam then he'd try to cut him, but he's not.

Your arguments are too lazy. 'He has a keen eye'. Is not a real argument. That doesn't mean he instantly figures out its a decoy.
'He has countered invisibility before therefore he can 100% counter all invisibility in fiction regardless of mechanics'. Is not an argument. Its a no-limit fallacy.
There's a large difference between countering an invisible opponent and countering an invisible opponent, hundreds of invisible bullets, while also simutaniously dealing with dozens of homing corrosive projectiles, homing grenades that are basically gas based (so how the **** is he meaningfully cutting that?), more bullets from thrown guns that shoot when thrown, all of which are at double speed aside from the nades, on top of potentially massive energy based aoe's that sam also can't make a dent on with his sword or realistically dodge with speed equal.

Voting Zero until your arguments get better.

Zero has fought people with laser weapons in his verse. Guess he neg's Sam and every other similar character in fiction, then. That's the level your arguments are on.

You call my arguments bad then break the rules and use shit not on the profile, I'll tell you precisely what you can use right now besides IC and skill feats.

"Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Stealth Mastery, Weapon Mastery, Elemental Manipulation (of the Fire, Lightning, and Corrosive variety), Explosion Manipulation, Statistics Reduction (via Slag weapons), Invisibility (Via Decepti0n), Statistics Amplification (via Skill tree, Guns, Artifacts, Slag, Maylay, and Amplify shields), Attack Reflection (Can passively deal elemental damage to any melee attackers via Spike shields), limited Gravity Manipulation (via Singularity grenades), Homing Attack (via Homing grenades) Absorption (via Transfusion grenades, and can absorb bullets and add to his ammo stock)"

Anything that is not on those justifications above or in his skill tree cannot be used, so there goes about 90% of your argument right into the bin. Make a Content Revision Thread please and thank you.

He's got a keen enough eye to literally predict Armstrong's nanomachines which are over 10x faster then Sam's actual speed for blocking Ripper Mode Raiden Blade Mode attacks. So I'd say he has a keen enough eye to know why that version of Zer0 isn't shooting genuine bullets lol

Proof of Zer0 using a sniper rifle that does actually shoot like a homing minigun first thing out of God knows how many different snipers this man has?

Unless the Grenade itself is gas then Sam just Vaccum blades them out of the air lol

Proof of Zer0 actually using this instead of his sniper?

Which are easy to deal with cause a 2x gap in speed ain't all that much all things considered.

Zer0 does not have energy projection nor Energy Manipulation nor any examples of this on his profile.

Considering your arguments are mostly not on the profile and as such cannot be used really says a lot, since you keep on making complete non-arguments until you manage to pass one of these.

Also, I missed something on Zer0's profile that was super important to both our arguments...

"Decepti0n: When used, Zer0 becomes cloaked for six seconds, turning invisible to enemies. He simultaneously deploys a holographic decoy for the duration of Decepti0n. Firing a weapon or striking an enemy in melee immediately ends Decepti0n, but adds a tremendous damage bonus to that single attack"

TLDR: Zer0 doesn't have most of the things @rawXDglomp is arguing that he has on his profile, and as such most of his arguments are non-arguments in reality.

 

[rawXDglomp]

He has 'guns' in standard equipment. Everything I mentioned is his guns, other than the nade. If I actually liked Borderlands I'd make a CRT to add those.
So no, I have broken no rules. At all. This is all standard equipment. And if his skill tree wasn't relevant, it wouldn't be in his profile.
So still Zero.

Its ******* laughable if his skill tree is in his profile and part of the character but can't be used because ???. Those are his abilities.

 

[DaReaperMan]

He has 'guns' in standard equipment. Everything I mentioned is his guns, other than the nade. If I actually liked Borderlands I'd make a CRT to add those.
So no, I have broken no rules. At all. This is all standard equipment. And if his skill tree wasn't relevant, it wouldn't be in his profile.
So still Zero.

Its ******* laughable if his skill tree is in his profile and part of the character but can't be used because ???. Those are his abilities.

Even if something is in standard equipment it is very possible that some hax or ability under said standard equipment isn't on the profile and as such can't be used.

You've broken one of the like, most well known rules for Versus Threads, using shit that ain't on the profile lol

His Skill Tree actually do have their abilities listed and justified, Homing Guns, Energy Manipulation, or anything like that aren't on the profile or justified, as such they cannot be used in any versus thread.

 

[Chariot190]

Do note that Raiden's at the top of a huge scaling chain where the bottom of it, is genetically spliced super soldiers with enhanced senses and based on data from other super soldiers (Like Null and Gene), virtual training and eclipse any soldier on earth and are above dudes who eclipse any soldiers on earth, have fought in multiple wars, deemed super soldiers, have analytical prediction and even psionic abilities, can clear whole rooms of trained elite men armed with weapons with no guns themselves while being attacked all at once and are for the most part, straight up superhuman, all the while knowing a multitude of various combat styles to the point of perfection and were deemed weapons in and of themselves.
And that's ******* shit trash that isn't even worth mentioning, who are below the other shit trash that are the equivalent of a goomba.
And then there's like ten skill ***** inbetween those and then Raiden himself.
And then he becomes a robot and just gets more skilled, he also has reactive PL, but instead of power, it's skill.
Like dude can pick up a sword, and within minutes start out skilling trained elites who are experts with the blade who all wear cybernetic tengu suits while he himself is a twink with no such suit.
As a child he was forced to have fought in wars and was so good, he was given the title jack the ripper because he got a stupid high kill count and was extremely good at murdering all his foes even while sedated half the time.
He can also fight dudes who can analyze and predict what enemies would do based on muscle movements and Raiden himself can't be read.
Like the dude can fend off a group of elite dudes while missing his arms, while weakened, and being ganged by like a dozen ******* and can do so for a solid five minutes, like the dude can sword fight without any limbs.
He also has undergone virtual training for effectively every combat scenario.
He also picks up a martial arts that hard counters all other forms of fighting prowess.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yep, you had it all compiled for me so I use the resource at hand lol

 

[rawXDglomp]

Even if something is in standard equipment it is very possible that some hax or ability under said standard equipment isn't on the profile and as such can't be used.
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I'm going to be honest I don't care enough to continue this argument if it turns into trying to figure out what some guy I've never interacted with (whoever made that profile) meant by 'guns'.
Like at all.
If he can't use his guns despite it saying guns, he loses. Its a gimped Zero - almost all of his abilities and his entire arsenal v a guy who's being wanked into having infinite skill who arbitarily negates the only ability Zero is being allowed to keep with any relevance (invisibility) based on a false equation that all invisibility is equal who kills in 1 hit.
At that point, what can he do? Nothing.

 

[Chariot190]

Though, what's stopping Sam from just amping his speed and then rushing his foe if they try to play at range.
Like if the dude starts fleeing to a better vantage point, Sam literally has a super dash and amps to close the distance.

Surely it can't be bullets? He can annihilate for the most part any and all bullets coming his way, even if they home, not like MGR lacks things that have homing attacks.

If he can't use his guns despite it saying guns,

He can use guns but from what I understand the issue isn't guns but rather there's guns he doesn't have on his profile? If so just do a quick CRT, should only take five minutes.

 

[rawXDglomp]

BL2 has like 100+ guns lol, it'd take a lot longer than 5 mins for me to even remember all the noteworthy ones, and I don't even like BL2 enough to do that. I only like BL1. And BL1 characters are canonically weaker than 2 characters (unless 3 or the telltales game undid that story point) so they're not particularly good for vs threads.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm going to be honest I don't care enough to continue this argument if it turns into trying to figure out what some guy I've never interacted with (whoever made that profile) meant by 'guns'.
Like at all.
If he can't use his guns despite it saying guns, he loses. Its a gimped Zero - almost all of his abilities and his entire arsenal v a guy who's being wanked into having infinite skill who arbitarily negates the only ability Zero is being allowed to keep with any relevance (invisibility) based on a false equation that all invisibility is equal who kills in 1 hit.
At that point, what can he do? Nothing.

Basically what Chariot said, specific kinds of guns(mainly homing and such) aren't justified on the profile, if you could nab scans for the specific guns with homing properties and all that stuff, you could pretty easily do... a verse wide CRT most likely. So yeah

 

[rawXDglomp]

Basically what Chariot said, specific kinds of guns(mainly homing and such) aren't justified on the profile, if you could nab scans for the specific guns with homing properties and all that stuff, you could pretty easily do... a verse wide CRT most likely. So yeah

Wouldn't be vs wide since 1 and 2 have different guns and also rules on how things work. 1 had 'artifacts' you could apply to characters to make their powers x element for example; 2 lacks this and ties it into skill trees. Only 2 has slag. Etc. I don't think I can actually say BL1 characters can use BL2 weapons, for example. Because they never did except maybe Mordecai.
If Zero's skill tree is on his profile but unuseable for some reason, so he only has standard bullet speed, and he can't use Hornet, Norfleet or similar, then he plainly loses.
Ignoring the 'sam can see through all invisibility and instantly sees through decoys within a single second' wank, even.

Sam amps speed to run at him
Zero turns invisible and dodges
Sam's amp runs out first
Zero can't hurt him with just his sniper anyways and is actually kind of a shit swordsman
Sam's amp is back up first
Sam kills him in 1 hit since I see no reason Zero's shields should have any effect on Sam's sword at all

Is how I'd see that fight going.
Just basic bullets at normal speed I seem to remember you could passively block in Rising by simply moving.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Sam FRA.

 

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Sam FRA.

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[GlaceonGamez471]

Sam FRA

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Wam Slam Bam Sam fra

 

[Knifeman29]

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