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Issues about Lucario and Darkrai's scaling.

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I'm not sure why you are trying to restrict things to Anime only when the is clearly not how the Pokemon profiles are structured.

And yes, Tobias losing to Ash is PIS for both Characters.
 
Anyway that 7 Lucario stats needs to be revised to the strongest feats of said manga rather than scaling him to other 2-C Darkrai because he defeated one via PIS, which is the same as what Ash Sceptile did.
 
I agree, pushing a Lucario all the way to Low 2-C because of a one off feat of a featless Darkrai should also be some PIS. Especially considering that even in the manga it was explained that Darkrai couldn't defend itself, and even after getting "one shotted" it got back up almost immediately.

I don't know, scaling him to Low 2-C seems a big excessive, especially considering the MASSIVE OUTLIER it being.
 
Im pretty sure 7 Lucario beating him isnt PIS like Ash did.

It took Ash more than half his team to even touch Darkrai, and for Sceptile he did after forcefully coming out of a Dark Void for no reason to win.

And it makes no sense how someone who made it to the finals gets soloed effortlessly by darkrai but Ash making it to only the semi finals was able to do anything.
 
Kukui watch the image Jared posted, everyone needed to give Lucario their energy in order to only calm Darkrai. That profile has bad informations.
 
Darkrai getting back up quickly wouldnt discourage the rating though. Heck, some characters here get Low 2-C to 2-C ratings just by flinching another 2-C. Beating Darkrai like that would definitely result in the rating.

@Dark

It doesnt say anything about calming darkrai and iirc, it was still mostly Lucario's power. The others given energy only gave Lucario a little push at best.
 
Matt you're misunderstanding me.

The profiles are fine, the scaling isn't.

If a Groudon in the manga has a tier 5 feat, why would a latias that fought a Groudon in a spinoff game scale to tier 5, when that Groudon has no feat above tier 7 in said game?
 
Um, Requiem. That example doesnt work.

For one, ANY legendary through rank alone is definitely above Tier 7, as thats putting them on the same level as a Tyranitar, which makes 0 sense.

Secondly, Groudon in every canon of the franchise is known as the one who formed the continents of the pokemon world. Groudon can literally not do a single thing and this would make Tier 6. Same thing with Kyogre.
 
Ya know what I meant dude, don't nitpick.

But fine, Mew does a tier 5 feat in a manga, a keldeo fights a mew in a spinoff game, but that mew has no feat above tier 6.

Why would the keldeo be tier 5 for fighting a tier 6 mew?
 
Because we're still treating all Mew to be in that tier like we do all the legendaries? And funny how you mention Keldeo because actually he's 6-A/High 6-A for being able to nearly beat a full powered Kyurem. Kyurem isnt High 6-A in the anime yet we still treat him and all versions of him the same no?
 
Simple. Because feat wise, Mew has been established as a tier 5 character. By similar logic, non-tier 2 XV characters have to prove themselves to be tier 4 even though Cell and Buu have tier 4 feats outside the games.
 
The difference is that the canon events of Dragon Ball still happen in Xenoverse. It's not like it's an entirely new story with no relation to any canon events.
 
You know goddam well what I meant Kukui.

Cal, feat wise that mew isn't established on that tier, another Mew has zero feats to be tier 5. None, nothing, zero, absolutely none.

Yeah no, they don't have to prove anything because those feats happened within that canon. If they didnt you'd have a point.

If a mew vaporized a planet in one manga, that shouldn't scale to every mew in all media. Like, buu has a multi solar system feat in the anime, why isn't that scaled to all incarnations of Buu? Different continuity, different feats.
 
Because we have different scaling rules. XV was the closest example.

Pokémon is a series focusing far more on the likes of characters like Pikachu or Charizard than Zapdos or Suicune. The odds of them being fearless in a media is very high. This is how we scale the series. Heck, this is how OBD scales the series as well.

Besides, game feats scale to all other media anyway, as per our rules.
 
Shit like Groudon and continents is fine but that's not everything.

If they're featless then they're featsless, itd be like making Mewtwo tier 4 or 5 because of magic adventure or psmd in all canons and thus every person who fought him tier 5 or 4.

It's no different, and the difference between this and xv is that those feats still happened in xv, for pokemon basically everything is a standalone.
 
It shouldn't, you're mixing canons.

It doesn't matter if they don't get screen time, that's not the point, the point is taking a feat from one canon and applying it to all canons.

If they don't have feats then they don't have feats in that one canon, doesnt mean ya can grab a feat from something else, slap it on it and say whoever fights this featless Pokemon is tier 4 because it had this feat in a unrelated form of media.
 
Because they vary drastically in power, feats and even lore and storyat times.

The tier 4 Mewtwo is a perfect example, he nevershows that tier of power. Anime Mewtwo has no feat above island, Pokken and one have a tier 5 feat, that one manga has a tier 4. It varies on canon.

And yes I'm obsessed with the whole media thing. What we gonna upgrade dragon ball over movies and such now? Because that has more going for it than this.
 
It's just like Saint Seiya where we have explicit confirmation of it being simply alternate universes.

If Xenoverse and the movies were confirmed to be alternate timelines, maybe you'd have a case.
 
I'm aware Matt, but ganes=litterally everything else.

So wheres the source that states all form of pokemon media is part of a multiverse? Where's it say pokemon special or pmd is part of the same multiverse? I'll wait for it if need be.

Also yeah cal, there are different canons, but we also got stuff saying theyre just alternate dimensions, which is probably better than the reason for the pokemon cross scaling
 
Interview right there

Speaking of the movies and consequently the TV show, do the cartoons and the movies and the video games overlap? Is that all one Pokémon world, or are they two separate universes?

Masuda: basically it's the same place. Looking at it as a parallel world, or in some select spots being a parallel world might be more accurate.
 
Yet they couldnt of happened in the same universe, ash greninja and such are just nods.

The plot of the xyz anime is impossible to coexist in the anime for example.
 
There is also Zinnia's quote which implies the worlds are the same, with slightly different events taking place. Doesn't mean they are weaker. It just means certain events never happened.

"My people know it. From generation to generation, we pass along the lore about the distortions in the world borne by the Mega Evolution mechanism. And about the existence of another world, which we have long observed to be just like this one and yet not the same... That's right. A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in. Filled with Pokémon and people like us. A world where maybe the evolution of Pokémon took a slightly different path, where Mega Evolution is unknown... A world where that war 3,000 years ago...never happened. A world where the ultimate weapon was never even built. And in that Hoenn of that world... What would happen if one day, out of the blue, a meteoroid appeared? What would happen to the people of that world, without the technology to destroy the meteoroid or the power to warp it away? ... Looks like it's beyond the power of your imagination."
 
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