Iron Man CRT (Profile Expansion and 5-A Upgrade)

[ObberGobb]

Here is the tiering I think we should do for Modern:

5-A | At Least 5-A, possibly far higher, far higher with Uru | 5-A | At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-A | 5-A | At Least 5-A

For the Bleeding Edge, I said "possibly far higher" due to the 4-B feats it has. I also said "far higher with Uru" because Uru is a far more durable metal. For Model 45, I said "At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-A" because while it's feats really only support High 6-A, it could possibly be comparable to suits that preceded it. I would be completely fine without the "possibly 5-A" though, if no one else wants to add that.

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Here is the tiering I think we should do for Modern:

5-A | At Least 5-A, possibly far higher, far higher with Uru | 5-A | At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-A | 5-A | At Least 5-A

For the Bleeding Edge, I said "possibly far higher" due to the 4-B feats it has. I also said "far higher with Uru" because Uru is a far more durable metal. For Model 45, I said "At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-A" because while it's feats really only support High 6-A, it could possibly be comparable to suits that preceded it. I would be completely fine without the "possibly 5-A" though, if no one else wants to add that.

Everything looks good to me. Maybe we should have a Prep key in there too based on the Godkiller MK11 and the Phoenix Buster? Although those armors are nearly featless, it could show how powerful his armors could potentially become with enough preparation.

 

[ObberGobb]

Everything looks good to me. Maybe we should have a Prep key in there too based on the Godkiller MK11 and the Phoenix Buster? Although those armors are nearly featless, it could show how powerful his armors could potentially become with enough preparation.

Do you think "Up to 2-A" would work for a prep key?

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Do you think "Up to 2-A" would work for a prep key?

Yep either that or "possibly Up to 2-A" since he was only able to hang them for a short while until they ganged up on him.

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Yep either that or "possibly Up to 2-A" since he only kept them occupied for a while.

If we do decide to add a prep key should we add one for both classic and modern profiles?

 

[ObberGobb]

Yep either that or "possibly Up to 2-A" since he was only able to hang them for a short while until they ganged up on him.

Godkiller Mk2 isnt the only 2-A feat though, as with the Phoenixbuster he split the Phoenix Force into 5 pieces. So I think I would use "likely" instead of "possibly". Also, do you think the Godkiller Mk2 and Phoenixbuster, combined with comparisons to Reed Richards, and enhanced intelligence from Extrenis, would be enough to upgrade him to Supergenius, at least for Modern?

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Godkiller Mk2 isnt the only 2-A feat though, as with the Phoenixbuster he split the Phoenix Force into 5 pieces. So I think I would use "likely" instead of "possibly". Also, do you think the Godkiller Mk2 and Phoenixbuster, combined with comparisons to Reed Richards, and enhanced intelligence from Extrenis, would be enough to upgrade him to Supergenius, at least for Modern?

Yeah you're right "likely" works. As for the intelligence, when it comes to Iron Man's intelligence specifically I don't know a lot so I'm not too sure.

 

[Antvasima]

We don't need more than two profiles.

Agreed. Profile pages for 77 armors is ridiculous. Let's focus on the ones that are most prominent and easiest to scale via feats instead.

@Newendigo might be able to help us determine which ones that we should feature and how to scale them.

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Aii

 

[Antvasima]

No nonsense posting please.

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

No nonsense posting please.

Oh I was just saying "okay", I usually say "aii" since it's faster to type. My apologies.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[ObberGobb]

It's been a few days and Newendigo has not responded. What do we do? How do we actually get this officially approved?

 

[Antvasima]

@Newendigo

Would you be willing to continue to help out here please? I would prefer if you evaluate what, if anything, that we should do here.

 

[Newendigo]

I'm searching for specific issues from which each feat I posted comes from.

Meanwhile, someone like Firestorm could calculate them until then. From there I can organize two drafts for the new profiles.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for helping out. It is appreciated.

 

[ObberGobb]

Newendigo, do you like the proposal for the keys? Even if we seem to disagree about the scaling for Modern, do you think these work?

Classic: Model 1 | Model 2 | Model 3 | Model 4 | Model 8 (Silver Centurion) | Model 9 | Model 16 | Model 20 | Model 25

Modern: Extremis | Bleeding Edge | Model 42 | Model 45 | Endo-Sym | Model Prime | With Preparation

 

[Newendigo]

Sigh

I guess Modern is sort of fine, but Classic needs their calculations first, as the armors performing those feats will be the main keys for the profile.

 

[Newendigo]

Forgot to mention this but the current High 6-A performed by Model 8 was recalculated as Low 7-B and High 7-C (The results I personally believe are more accurated).

So that is another thing to take into account.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Agreed.

 

[ObberGobb]

Can I go ahead and start working on a page for Modern Iron Man?

 

[Firestorm808]

Feel free.

 

[Antvasima]

I thought that @Newendigo was going to handle this.

 

[ObberGobb]

I think Newendigo is working on the Classic. I will only be working on Modern.

 

[ObberGobb]

Would it be better to make a completely new page, or just replace the one that already exists?

 

[ObberGobb]

Well, I made a new page. Is everything on here good? I was hesitant to link it to the other Iron Man profiles in case I did something wrong with it.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It's a bit messy, you should've placed in a blog or sandbox before posting it. But I've corrected some editing mistakes

 

[ObberGobb]

It's a bit messy, you should've placed in a blog or sandbox before posting it. But I've corrected some editing mistakes

Yeah, sorry. When I clicked "save" I didn't realize it was being actually published. I just assume it meant being saved as a draft.

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Seen the recent work ya'll doing with the iron man revisions. Appreciate the work so far.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Power and ability sections are still empty. you should have did this in a sandbox. I suggest the profile be deleted for now and just move it to a sandbox.

 

[ObberGobb]

How do I do a sandbox?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

How do I do a sandbox?

ObberGobb/sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

Unfortunately, the profile has been deleted so you have to start from scratch

 

[ObberGobb]

ObberGobb/sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

Unfortunately, the profile has been deleted so you have to start from scratch

Its okay, I copied and pasted it to a Google Doc so I'll just have to reformat it a bit

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it is better if @Newendigo handles this. If I remember correctly, your profile page lacked references and inserted some likely exaggerated statistics.

The Celestials differ in power between 5-B and Low 1-A depending on the story and author. The Godkiller armor seemed to fight them at one of their low points.

Also, regardless of claims of being close to Reed Richards in intelligence, or thinking at lightspeed, he has no consistent feats of anywhere near that scale.

Speaking of which, if somebody eventually creates profile pages for Moon Girl and Valeria Richards, we would end up with a similar problem: There are several claims of them exceeding Reed, but their feats are of nowhere near that level yet.

 

[ObberGobb]

None of these are really inconsistent. And the 2-A feat isn't just the Celestials, it is also the Phoenix Buster breaking apart the Phoenix Force and the Thorbuster being able to fight Odinforce Thor. That is pretty consistent. All of the others are very consistent as well. As for intelligence, he (in the modern era at least) is constantly compared to Reed, even by Reed himself. And having three 2-A technology feats is very impressive, and that should be enough to be Supergenius on its own. I am not wanking him here, these scalings are very consistent with the portrayal of his character. I don't see any reason at all to ignore all of the feats, as ignoring them would just be downplaying for the sake of downplaying. If we were to not count him as 5-A, then we would have to change the scaling on Doctor Doom, Namor, Hulk, Graviton, Red Hulk, Wonder-Man, Colossus, Corvus Glaive, Captain Marvel, Magneto, and more. What I am doing is making Iron Man's profile consistent with the tier he is in, as as it stands, he is listed as far below several characters who have repeatedly shown to be comparable to him. Newendigo on the other hand seems to really downplay Iron Man for reasons I don't understand, and seems to favor DC feats over scaling to nearly a dozen characters I just listed. I genuinely do not understand how any of what I listed can be seen as baseless wanking.

 

[Newendigo]

Do you even know what powers and abilities are you going to add? What Notable Attacks and Techniques are reserved for each armor made-a-key?

I have mostly been waiting for someone to calculate the feats that I posted above while I was adding some of the citations.

 

[Antvasima]

Iron Man has never demonstrated the ability to warp reality virtually any way he wants on a massive scale with his inventions, which is a fundamental requirement for a Supergenius rating. As I said, regardless of in-universe claims, his intelligence feats have been of a far more narrow area, so that is what we have to go by.

Also, Dan Jurgens stated himself that he portrayed Odinforce Thor at enormously below even a galactic scale. His greatest feat was just of Moon level if I remember correctly. In addition, regular superheroes could challenge the Phoenix Five in the storyline that you refer to, and the Celestials have been downgraded to a massively extreme degree by Marvel writers during the most recent years.

 

[The_Impress]

"Newendigo on the other hand seems to really downplay Iron Man for reasons I don't understand, and seems to favor DC feats over scaling to nearly a dozen characters I just listed. I genuinely do not understand how any of what I listed can be seen as baseless wanking."

Mate trying to start shit here I see

And FYI I find this revision just a dumber, more arbitrary version of the revision I suggested, which was just giving all the armors their own weapons files, and turning the main Iron Man file to shit he has besides all that.

It was simple, effective and encompassing, instead of just showcasing keys and abilities which only paints Iron Man in the light two users want to see him in.

 

[Antvasima]

The_Impress:

Please elaborate regarding what you have in mind specifically.

Newendigo does seem very well-read regarding this subject in any case.

 

[The_Impress]

I wanted the different armors to not be on the main Iron Man profile, but rather as Weapons files, that the main Iron Man file will list as Optional Equipment. We have managed characters like Ben 10 in a similar fashion, as most armor upgrades have completely different power levels and even P&A from previous models.

The Iron Man profile itself will list Tony Stark's equipment as a whole.

This leads to a far more precise file structure, and while yes, initially all the armors will not be accounted for, but our profiles will never be able to do that, and my method will at least lead to the scenario where they will be at one point.