Iron Man CRT (Profile Expansion and 5-A Upgrade)

[ObberGobb]

Currently, Iron-Man is listed with Armor Model 8 | Armor Model 45 | Model Prime (Armor Model 51) being High 6-A | High 6-A | 5-A respectively. I think this downplays Iron Man’s average power, as it makes it look like he didn’t become Planetary until Model Prime, which just isn’t the case. Also, considering how many different major versions of Iron Man there are, I think there needs to be several more suits listed than just those three, especially considering Model 45 isn't particularly impressive compared to other armors he wears in the modern era. Because of this, I think his profile should be revised to:

Pre-Extremis | Extremis | Bleeding Edge | Post-Bleeding Edge | Endo-Sym | Model Prime | Current

At Least High 6-A | 5-A | At Least 5-A | Up to 5-A | Likely 5-A | 5-A | Likely 5-A

I do not keep up with current Iron Man comics, I’m not sure if 5-A is right for current. If you keep up with them, please tell me your thoughts on current Iron Man scaling. Same with Pre-Extremis, if you believe him to be 5-A before Extremis please share. Here are a list of feats to support these upgrades (I will not list Model Prime feats, as that is already where I think it should be):


Extremis Armor:

• Was able to draw blood from Sentry. While this obviously isn't a 4-B level feat, as it didn’t damage him very much it is still impressive, as Sentry is stronger than even Thor.
• Tanked several hits from Sentry [1, 2, 3]. And going by the logic of most other 4-B characters (Thor, Silver Surfer, ect.) being 5-A when holding back on Earth, this should be a 5-A feat as well.
• Easily defeated a drone which was beating Namor (5-A)
• One shot Crimson Dynamo, which should support him being higher than High 6-A
• Nearly kills Gravition with his unibeam (5-A)
• Armor could survive attacks from a Hulkbuster which was manhandling She-Hulk and Captain Marvel (5-A)
• Matches Doctor Doom (5-A)

Bleeding Edge Armor:

• Beats Magneto (5-B)
• Easily fought Red Hulk (5-A, up to 4-B)
• Fought Taurus who defeated Thor (5-A, up to 4-B)
• Survived Odin's Forge. Hard to give an actual tier to this feat, but it is nonetheless impressive.
• Traps Apocalypse (5-A)
• Shields from Wonder-Man (5-A)
• Fights against a hallucinating Thor (Probably around 5-A)
• Tanks a punch from Colossus (5-A)
• Survives Gladiator's heat vision (4-B)
• Shields from an attack by Final Form Ultron (4-B)
• Survives an attack by Rogue with Hulk’s powers absorbed (5-A, up to 4-B)
• Knocks around Ulik a few times[1, 2 , 3] (4-B)
• Knocks down Mangog, albeit while being amped by a city grid. (4-B)
• In addition to these feats, he also fought against Worthy Grey Gargoyle, but it is ambiguous if Worthy Grey Gargoyle is on Thor's level or not.

Model 42 (Example of a Post-Extremis suit):

• Armor withstands a hit from Terrax (4-B)
• Withstands lasers from Starbrand (4-B)
• Tanks attacks from Hulk: [1, 2] (5-A, up to 4-B)
• Stalemates with Doctor Doom (5-A)
• Easily defeats a villain that She-Hulk was having trouble against (Likely 5-A)
• Stomped on by Hulk (5-A, up to 4-B)

Endo-Sym:

• Shields from Spectrum (5-B)
• Destroys a Hulkbuster (Likely 5-A)
• Blows Corvus Glaive’s head off (5-A)

In conclusion, I think there is

1. A big need for Iron Man’s profile to be fleshed out more, with more suits being added
2. Enough evidence to support him being 5-A for all of these versions

Does anyone have any issues with this?

I got these scans from here, feel free to look through it for more of them.

 

[Garchomp777]

Good one, i agree. Would have been nice if you could have shown more abilities though

 

[ObberGobb]

Good one, i agree. Would have been nice if you could have shown more abilities though

I generally think they've gotten his abilities correct, the main issue is the tier placement. But yeah, if this is to be done, each armor will need it's own list of abilities.

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this?

 

[Eficiente]

No opinion on the key rearrangement as idk Iron Man properly for that.

The Extremis Armor stuff seems pretty solid, the Crimson Dynamo is the one used for Setry tho.

The Bleeding Edge Armor stuff looks good. The Colossus punch isn't there.

Model 42 stuff looks good.

The feats to scale to Reed and Doom's intelligence aren't solid enough. In any other verse they would be, but the feats of those 2 are sheer insanity and Iron Man isn't remotely close to it.

The feats that matter here should point out from which comic they come from.

 

[ObberGobb]

No opinion on the key rearrangement as idk Iron Man properly for that.

The Extremis Armor stuff seems pretty solid, the Crimson Dynamo is the one used for Setry tho.

The Bleeding Edge Armor stuff looks good. The Colossus punch isn't there.

Model 42 stuff looks good.

The feats to scale to Reed and Doom's intelligence aren't solid enough. In any other verse they would be, but the feats of those 2 are sheer insanity and Iron Man isn't remotely close to it.

The feats that matter here should point out from which comic they come from.

Fair enough. I did think the intelligence boost was a bit of a stretch, because outside of those feats, Reed Richards is almost always portrayed as being on a different level. But other than that, you think all this is good? You didn't mention the Endo-Sym, is that all good? As for the Colossus one, I linked the wrong thing and am fixing it now.

 

[Eficiente]

The Endo-Sym is good but the first link just leads to Spectrum's profile.

 

[Newendigo]

You just made the same thread exactly a month ago about adding new keys...

And I said the profile would be split into several weapon profiles for each of the armors...

Do you now disagree with the idea?

 

[ObberGobb]

You just made the same thread exactly a month ago about adding new keys...

And I said the profile would be split into several weapon profiles for each of the armors...

Do you now disagree with the idea?

I only think that more specialized suits should be separated into separate profiles. Stuff like Hulkbuster, Thorbuster, Godkiller mk.2, etc. All of these suits I listed served as his base for a while, so I think it would make more sense to have them under the main "Iron Man" profile.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

I think the various armor feats look solid.

As for Tony's intelligence...well, I don't think it needs to change. The difference between Tony and Reed/Doom is the same as Batman and Brainiac. One's an extremely intelligent being who has enough raw intellect to break into multiple fields, yet has a clear speciality. The other is a being whose intellect lets them do damn-near anything. Tony has the hype and the setup but he doesn't have the feats to put him on the level of Reed/Doom. He has things he does better than them, sure but he's just never gone as far.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I think the various armor feats look solid.

As for Tony's intelligence...well, I don't think it needs to change. The difference between Tony and Reed/Doom is the same as Batman and Brainiac. One's an extremely intelligent being who has enough raw intellect to break into multiple fields, yet has a clear speciality. The other is a being whose intellect lets them do damn-near anything. Tony has the hype and the setup but he doesn't have the feats to put him on the level of Reed/Doom. He has things he does better than them, sure but he's just never gone as far.

I think Batman should be straight up super genius too so not the best example imo
Anyways in regards to the CRT my only concern with Bleeding Edge is Living Laser’s page whose one of the scans for AP is hurting said Armor, we might need to split him to further Keys too since tbf that’s also a new form on his end tho further evaluation might be needed
Otherwise I have no comments since idk Iron Man that well

 

[Antvasima]

I think the various armor feats look solid.

As for Tony's intelligence...well, I don't think it needs to change. The difference between Tony and Reed/Doom is the same as Batman and Brainiac. One's an extremely intelligent being who has enough raw intellect to break into multiple fields, yet has a clear speciality. The other is a being whose intellect lets them do damn-near anything. Tony has the hype and the setup but he doesn't have the feats to put him on the level of Reed/Doom. He has things he does better than them, sure but he's just never gone as far.

Exactly. Regardless of claims in-universe, he has nowhere near their scale or versatility of feats.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, can somebody knowledgeable summarise what should be applied here in practice please?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Anyway, can somebody knowledgeable summarise what should be applied here in practice please?

Adding more keys to iron man profile.

At Least High 6-A | 5-A | At Least 5-A | Up to 5-A | Likely 5-A | 5-A | Likely 5-A

Pre-Extremis | Extremis | Bleeding Edge | Post-Bleeding Edge | Endo-Sym | Model Prime | Current

 

[Newendigo]

You realize that even if this were to be acceped, the powers and abilities section will have to be re-structured in a way that accouns for all the specific abilities of all armors.

This would also made him MFTL through scaling, which I could potentially argue for via his own feats.

You also didn't counted any feats for the current armors, which are actually way weaker in term of display.

I do rather not scale Iron Man to any character that is outsite his usual enemies and viceversa, he is more consistently in the tier 7 and tier 5 range with his common armors. And bloating the profile with keys with no regard to power sections, much less taking to account that not all modern armors share the haxes as previous ones. (Blantant cases being bleeding edge) is something I will be against.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, that is what the OP says, but what has been accepted by our staff and the knowledgeable members that I called here?

 

[ObberGobb]

You realize that even if this were to be acceped, the powers and abilities section will have to be re-structured in a way that accouns for all the specific abilities of all armors.

This would also made him MFTL through scaling, which I could potentially argue for via his own feats.

You also didn't counted any feats for the current armors, which are actually way weaker in term of display.

I do rather not scale Iron Man to any character that is outsite his usual enemies and viceversa, he is more consistently in the tier 7 and tier 5 range with his common armors. And bloating the profile with keys with no regard to power sections, much less taking to account that not all modern armors share the haxes as previous ones. (Blantant cases being bleeding edge) is something I will be against.

Yeah, I mentioned that I am not knowledgeable about his feats past Model Prime. What tier do you think should be given to current Iron Man?

 

[Newendigo]

Might be tier 8 going by feats, by scaling he's fairly below Carol physically and at best comparable with energy attacks.

 

[ObberGobb]

Might be tier 8 going by feats, by scaling he's fairly below Carol physically and at best comparable with energy attacks.

Damn, that's pretty low. Does he really not have anything to put him at High 6-A? It seems weird that he would be so weak all of a sudden. But also, I really dislike both the current Iron Man and Avengers runs, so it might just be a lot of PIS. But even then, Tier 8 seems a bit low. I should probably read all that stuff just to get a sense of the feats.

 

[Newendigo]

You may want to read everything post civil war 2, from Ironheart (2017) to Iron Man (2021). And of course the 2018 Avengers run.

 

[ObberGobb]

You may want to read everything post civil war 2, from Ironheart (2017) to Iron Man (2021). And of course the 2018 Avengers run.

So for now, (assuming this is approved) what tier placement should we do?

 

[Newendigo]

I do say just don't add anything post Model 51 in the profile, would be weird for him to have a sudden tier drop.

But I already stated my disagreement with the thread.

 

[ObberGobb]

Ok, so
Pre-Extremis | Extremis | Bleeding Edge | Post-Bleeding Edge | Endo-Sym | Model Prime
would be better

 

[Shadyboi0]

Didnt he punch through adamantium?

 

[Firestorm808]

Are we allowing a key the first armor he built?

 

[ObberGobb]

Are we allowing a key the first armor he built?

That would be cool. What tier?

 

[Garchomp777]

Would be really cool if there were more special armours on his profile. I think ima do research and make a crt for additional armours

 

[ObberGobb]

Would be really cool if there were more special armours on his profile. I think ima do research and make a crt for additional armours

Yeah, I think there should be more armors, but on different profiles. I'm thinking this should serve as a profile for "base" Iron Man, while we have special individual threads for his more specialized stuff. I'm thinking Hulkbuster, Thorbuster, Godkiller MK2, Stealth Armor, and probably more from before the 2000s that I am unaware of.

 

[Garchomp777]

Yeah, I think there should be more armors, but on different profiles. I'm thinking this should serve as a profile for "base" Iron Man, while we have special individual threads for his more specialized stuff. I'm thinking Hulkbuster, Thorbuster, Godkiller MK2, Stealth Armor, and probably more from before the 2000s that I am unaware of.

hold up, thor and hulkbuster don't even have keys? Time to make them now

 

[ObberGobb]

So, how does this get approved? At what point would I be allowed to make the edits I suggested?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Lordtracer made this if ya'll are interested.

 

[ObberGobb]

Oh, Marvel Buster is another one that should probably get its own profile, as that is a specialist suit as well.

 

[Garchomp777]

No endo sym abilities?

 

[ObberGobb]

No endo sym abilities?

What do you mean?

 

[Antvasima]

Ok, so
Pre-Extremis | Extremis | Bleeding Edge | Post-Bleeding Edge | Endo-Sym | Model Prime
would be better

I think that there is far too much recentism in this structure, as Wikipedia tends to put it. Meaning that Iron Man has almost 60 years of history and different armors, so focusing on all the major armors from just the last few years in a limited profile page space, spams the page in question with mostly irrelevant information.

 

[ObberGobb]

I think that there is far too much recentism in this structure, as Wikipedia tends to put it. Meaning that Iron Man has almost 60 years of history and different armors, so focusing on all the major armors from just the last few years in a limited profile page space, spams the page in question with mostly irrelevant information.

What armors do you think should be included before Extremis? I don't know too much about him before that. What are the most important armors of the era? Someone mentioned the original armor, which is an idea I like. I still think Extremis, Bleeding Edge, Endo-Sym, and Model Prime are important and different enough to deserve their own key though.

 

[Newendigo]

From the original armor, to model 4, Silver Centurium, Model 9, Modular Armor, Post Heroes-Returns, S.K.I.N armor, and that one he used when worked as secretary of defense, are all mainline armors pre-extremis.

If we add all of that, the profile would too massive, and if we don't, it would purely recentism, as mentioned, and honestly sounds as if we nitpick the keys.

Again, different profiles for all armors is a better method, I will make the today.

 

[ObberGobb]

I still think that that is too many profiles to add. It would be better if it is all gathered in one profile

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, it should likely be enough to add the 4 to 6 most relevant armors throughout all of his history as keys to a single profile page.

 

[Firestorm808]

How many times has Iron Man's origin been rebooted?