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InuYasha-Verse Upgrade

Mister_Death

Mister_Death

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Greetings. The purpose of this thread is to usher the long overdue upgrading of this verse to mountain level and beyond using concrete evidence and sufficient calculating. Thanks to assistance from RavenSupreme, I have here some scans from the fight between Sessshomaru and Shishinki.

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/489.0/compressed/s489.10.jpg?v=1294347367

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/489.0/compressed/s489.11.jpg?v=1294347367

'http://b.*************/store/manga/45/491.0/compressed/b491.17.jpg?v=1294347728

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/491.0/compressed/b491.18.jpg?v=1294347728

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/492.0/compressed/o492.04.jpg?v=1294347907

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/493.0/compressed/p493.07.jpg?v=1294348088

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/493.0/compressed/p493.09.jpg?v=1294348088

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/493.0/compressed/p493.12.jpg?v=1294348088

As a side comment, I am bringing up a feat that was previously calculated at town level. It involved a scan where InuYasha clearly destroyed a mountain to threaten a mountain demon behind it, suggesting that Inuyasha could have destroyed both. I suggest this feat be re-examined, as even if the feat were town level, power-scaling still puts later characters at at least multi mountain level.

If this thread can be highlighted, it would be highly appreciated.

Regards,

Mr. Death
 
I don't know anything about this verse but:

a) there is no such thing as multi-mountain level on our system, I advise you to check the values

b) those feats don't look all that impressive, based on the size of the rock formations I am seeing.

You mentioned calcs but didn't post them. What calcs are you referring to?

Also, destroying "mountains" isn't necessarily mountain level. We use energy values for each of our classification systems, the names are for show based off explosions and such.
 
^Those scans were provided to me by Raven, also the calcs I were refferring to were these

http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c335/12.html look at this plus page 13 and

http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c336/7.html plus page 8(the page after)

I was told it calced out at town level, though given the circumstances, and the fact Inuyasha was holding back and the windscar is his weakest attack, isn't it pretty much completely plausible for him to be given a rating of "atleast town level"?

I'll be posting more scans here as time floats by.

Also, I want to ask, am I able to use the anime as a secondary source of canon for my scans, given they do not contradict the manga?
 
one thing which might be interesting. the meidou zangetsuha was descriped as sucking the affected objects directly into hell, which would be a clear BFR move, seeing as the realm of the dead is an actual place in the IY verse.

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/410.0/compressed/m410.13.jpg?v=1294333508

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/410.0/compressed/m410.14.jpg?v=1294333508

however in later chapters it is more described as actually killing the people, namely making them dissappearing into thin air

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/504.0/compressed/q504.08.jpg?v=1294350068

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/504.0/compressed/q504.09.jpg?v=1294350068

which changes it to a move which erases things off existence. and the value which comes closest to it would be 5.403E13j/cc for concrete (in regard of this feat)
 
Oh my god, Meidou Zangetsuha is literally described as being connected to hell where stuff disappears, there ain't no atomic disintegration or anytihng similar going on for you to pull out a value such as that,
 
sesshoumaru and kohaku were literally in hell without side effect (not to be confused with the "afterlife" - another realm in the verse where inuyasha, naraku and kagome all fought)

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/467.0/compressed/k467.12.jpg?v=1294343407

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/467.0/compressed/k467.13.jpg?v=1294343407

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/468.0/compressed/f468.14.jpg?v=1294343588
 
aside from the master of hell and a couple thousand corpes? no one else

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/469.0/compressed/d469.15.jpg?v=1294343767

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/469.0/compressed/d469.17.jpg?v=1294343767

which could actually indicate the move does not bfr but erases
 
the lore said: the body is" literally send to hell "

but the way things are portraied contradict that heavily
 
More mountain busting feats -

  • http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c346/3.html
  • http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c346/4.html
Anyone have any thoughts?
 
It's been a long time since I watched Inuyasha, but from what I remember, Meidou Zanketsuha could be counted as BFR, since Sesshoumaru & Co. couldn't come out of Hell by any normal means (i don't remember how, but it was through something special), and when Byakuya was hit by Meidou from Inuyasha, he never returned, same with other lesser demons. And I suspect that when Inu told Sesshou about "not dying", he was using a metaphor as if he was sent to hell, there'd be pretty much no chance of him coming back, so it might as well be counted as "death".

As for the 2 scans above, it doesn't prove anything. Three random thingys of light just pierced through the demon's neck, but clearly Inuyasha didn't do it. And even if he did, the demon wasn't obliterated.

As for the moutain-busting attack, while it is indeed impressive since Kaze no Kizu is Inuyasha's weakest sword attack, it doesn't prove it could have killed the demon. While they are both mountains, one is alive while the other is not, so I'd say the resistance is different. Considerable damage: definitely. Kill: not sure.
 
^ I put those scans for reference as the children who killed Gaku could'nt even scratch Hakudoshi's barrier

Also, yes the mountain demon is of course alive and stronger than a normal mountain, statements made by Kagura suggest Inu could have destroyed both the mountain and the mountain demon

Windscar has destroyed a mountain many times and is spammable, and is also roughly 10x weaker than the Backlash wave

Of course we don't know for sure if Inuyasha could have destroyed Gaku in a single hit, but he did destroy the mountain in a single hit, which is why he should put at "atleast" town level instead of just "town level", atleast until this thread determines where his potential really lies
 
I'm going to say this again. Mountain level is not the same as destroying a mountain. It is an energy value and one dependent on how big you scale the mountain to be. If it was calc'ed as town level, it may qualify more as a hill than a mountain.

I'm unsure about the canonicity of the anime so I will defer on that one.

As for what you posted in response to me, Mister Death, those are not calcs at all but scans. You need a mountain level calc to upgrade to mountain level.
 
While, the Meidou Zangetsuha's method of execution depends on the user: either Seeshomaru practically creating a "tear in reality" and then a "black hole sphere" or Inuyasha creating multiple crescent-shaped energy blades with one slash. But the attack's intended effect could be akin to a miniature black hole, as the attack is dimensional in origin and sends an inflicted part of its victim to another realm of existence: The land of the dead.
 
The anime should be fine for calc'ing I suppose.

@fractyl, it doesn't sound like a black hole.
 
Alakabamm: While, that's why I said "miniature black hole", the gravitational field of each Meido variation should be VERY less than an actual black hole but still strong enough to suck a crippled target (or severed body parts) in.
 
I have a few more mountain level scans I wanna post here, for now there are two changes I want to make.


Making Inuyasha's DC "Atleast Town Level"

And setting Naraku's Regenerationn to Around high, as EOS he was clearly tanking both Meidou and bakusaiga, which would destroy his entire physical existence(Meidou bypassing durability and Bakusaiga destroying cells at high speed)
 
i support the upgrade to "at least town level"

with the anime feats being allowed it would support mountain/multi mountain tier even.

and low-high regen for naraku should be possible as well, seeing as he regenerates from the shikon no tama itself later on and not from his own
 
RavenSupreme said:
i support the upgrade to "at least town level"
with the anime feats being allowed it would support mountain/multi mountain tier even.

and low-high regen for naraku should be possible as well, seeing as he regenerates from the shikon no tama itself later on and not from his own
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Wouldn't naraku survive having his entire body(right down to his atoms) being completely destroyed? He tanked meidou and baku at the same time, though if thats only low high then I have no idea what the next levels are like
 
For Regenerationn feats you need to show that a character has regenerated from the basics of that level not just that a character has tanked "durability bypassing attacks."

For example, the Regenerationn we accept for vampires from Tsukihime is based off the fact that Roa regenerated from having his entire upper body obliterated, from the knees up.

For Mid-High Regenerationn you need to show that the character survived being turned to dust/vaporized. There is no speculation allowed, really. So if you have regen scans just post them.
 
his regen is no longer bound to the physical plain. its the entire "will" of the shikon no tama. he regenerates from the jewel itself.

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/546.0/compressed/b546.06.jpg?v=1294357987

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/546.0/compressed/b546.07.jpg?v=1294357987

and he merged with the jewel

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/546.0/compressed/b546.04.jpg?v=1294357987

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/546.0/compressed/b546.05.jpg?v=1294357987

-> regardless what happens to his body. the jewel regenerates him.

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/547.0/compressed/p547.08.jpg?v=1294358168

bottom pic
 
I'd say Mid-High is maybe fair then, with Low-Godly being a possibility depending on the Shikon no Tama
 
i dont think low-godly is accurate. the shikon no tama was created by a spiritual powerful priestess. another spiritual powerful priestes then erased it off existance. no "godly" thing was mentioned

mid-high shounds fair
 
Yea, the only thing is it looks like his existence is tied to a crystal that also regenerates...basically, you need dimensional hax to beat his regen
 
Kanna is his detachment and she sucks souls through her mirror


at EOS Naraku can only be defeated by someone with divinity (Kagome)

else he'll keep endlessly regenerating


 
his detachments abilities are his. he just separates parts from his body. hence we use "detachment" and not "subordinate" or "minion"
 
There are many abilities to bypass that kind of Regenerationn. The mentioned Tsukihime has infamous MEoDP for such feats. Reality warping should be OK too. Probably Yuyuko's power to force death on target...
 
I went ahead and checked the Regenerationn descriptions, and Naraku is honestly above mid-high because he can survive having his entire physical being destroyed, no atoms, no dust, nothing
 
Mister Death said:
I went ahead and checked the Regenerationn descriptions, and Naraku is honestly above mid-high because he can survive having his entire physical being destroyed, no atoms, no dust, nothing
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But I can't remeber him to have feats of Low-Godly Regenerationn too. And... You know, it's hard to see atoms or vaporized matter...
 
^I didnt mean Low godly, I mean something above high or below low godly, though godly is a possibility because

Meidou bypasses durability/cuts apart pieces and sends the remains to hell

Bakusaiga destroys things at the atomic level

And Naraku tanked both casually at the same time

as for bypassing the regen, a being with sufficient hax is needed, because DC might not cut it, like mentioned above, soul stealing, reality warping etc
 
^And seeing as there's no objections, and alot of things supporting it, I'll place Inuyasha at "Atleast Town level", seeing as the feat that gave him that rating was lowest end, and of course powerscaling is still a thing

 
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