InuYasha-Verse Upgrade

[Mister_Death]

I just checked on something, and EOS Naraku's main body is mountain sized, with his miasma spreading far beyond the radius of his body

this is indisputable evidence that Naraku is "Atleast Mountain Level" due to virtue of his size

If there is no counterarguments to my claim, I would like to upgrade him

 

[Alakabamm]

You need scaling to prove his body is "mountain sized," and possible a calc to show that such a thing leads to mountain sized AP.

 

[Mister_Death]

^2.0 Naraku, just by encountering Moryomaru, dissolved a large radius just by floating above it

And the art in the manga is less than lackluster, it doesnt scale properly(Naraku's body)

though when Inuyasha and co entered Naraku's body, they clearly traveled within it, fought in it etc

I'll post scans when I get them

 

[Alakabamm]

If the scaling doesn't get to mountain size then it isn't considered mountain size.

However, if you have characters inside of the body, you can scale using that, potentially.

 

[Mister_Death]

^

Here are two scans(secondary canon/primary canon)

And yes there were characters inside the body, I find it really hard to explain for some reason, it would have to be witnessed first hand, but the inside area is clearly mountain sized

 

[Alakabamm]

There isn't any reference in those pictures, so you don't really have a way of judging that.

 

[Mister_Death]

^

An interesting tidbit I came across is where Kagome mentioned Naraku looks larger on the inside than on the outside

Should we assume its simply a visual phenomenon or some kind of spatial warping involved? Either way, if you notice, the miasma spreads out far beyond Naraku's body, which has shown to dissolve pretty much everything

I'll continue getting scans and trying to draw scales. I'm not calcer or anything so its first time stuff for me.

Also, would'nt destroying Naraku's body need far more energy required than destroying a mountain?

Assuming that the smallest size for his body is Kaede's village, and his body is made of Inuverses strongest substance(far harder than diamond), whats the DC requirement of destroying that body?

 

[Alakabamm]

That's a calc question and the answer is that diamond is somewhat unreasonable to use, unless you can prove the skin is actually diamond. Calcs are attempts at guessing the lower ranges of values in most cases.

As for how much AP it would required, it depends on: a) the method of destruction b) how hollow he is c) if he is comparable to other animals in shape/size. You would probably need square law to find his mass and use that for vaporization/pulverization, really.

If he is town sized, it would probably be a town feat, maybe city depending on how big Kaede's village is.

 

[Mister_Death]

^ Naraku at some point in the Manga/anime absorbed a turtle demon with an armored shell that was completely invurnerable to the diamond tetsusaiga, which fired spears of adamant(diamond) which had a higher AP than even the backlash wave(which is 10x more powerful than the town level wind scar)

The shell itself was said by lore to be far stronger than adamant was

We still don't know how large Naraku's body is, but the smallest it could be is town sized, and the largest is hanging around mountain size, seeing as Inuyasha and co spent quite a few chapters inside Naraku's body

 

[RavenSupreme]

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/550.0/compressed/t550.13.jpg?v=1294358707

there are trees visible just in front of narakus body.

he even comments on that him falling to the ground is sufficent to wipe out a village

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/551.0/compressed/g551.06.jpg?v=1294358888

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http://b.*************/store/manga/45/551.0/compressed/g551.13.jpg?v=1294358888

look at the shadow of the body in comparison to the village

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upgrades for the inuyasha verse are probably fair and i will maybe focus on it in some time. but not via narakus bodysize

 

[Mister_Death]

^ It's one of the easiest ways of Upgrading Naraku to mountain level(Least) as his miasma spreads out in a vaster range than his body. And it seems he really is around mountain sized just by going by the first scan


Kaede's village is a pretty big one, atleast from what I've seen

 

[Mister_Death]

^ Also, are we good on the regen upgrade yet? It seems concrete at this point, as Naraku can pretty much regenerate from nothing(his consciousness)

 

[RavenSupreme]

the upgrade for Regenerationn already was agreed upon, yes

 

[Mister_Death]

^Besides Naraku's body , are there any attacks we can also use for an upgrade?

 

[RavenSupreme]

i calced inuyashas meidou at continental level using atomic annihilation for narakus body when he erased it

but it was more of get-go calc in the comments without looking any further. i dont know if that is valid. probably not.

 

[Mister_Death]

^pushing Inuyasha to continental levels is a big step forward. We must pursue things like that

 

[Mister_Death]

^Also, where is that calc? We should atleast bring it to this thread for analyzation

With Inuyasha and co scaled to those kinds of levels, it'd be really good for the verse

all we need now is speed feats

not many of those around though

 

[RavenSupreme]

the meidou zangetsuha was descriped as sucking the affected objects directly into hell, which would be a clear BFR move, seeing as the realm of the dead is an actual place in the IY verse.

http://b.*************/store/manga/4...g?v=1294333508

http://b.*************/store/manga/4...g?v=1294333508

however in later chapters it is more described as actually killing the people, namely making them dissappearing into thin air

http://b.*************/store/manga/4...g?v=1294350068

http://b.*************/store/manga/4...g?v=1294350068

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which would come more close to a "erasing" move and not just a random bfr

lets have a quick look at cables calculation for inuyashas meidou..


http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15377 Quote:163,806.193 m^3and using DNs atomic annihilation value

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=22319

for rock

we get 2.1 petatons

continental level inuyasha

ofc. im open for suggested improvements

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. Inuyasha goung from Town level to Continent level would be a massively big move. It would probably be best if you ask the rest of the calculation group for input.

 

[RavenSupreme]

it was just for mr. death. as i said its probably not applicable. i just quickly did it in the comment section of NF as a joke. the entire thing is under the assumption meidou is not a BFR but a erasing of existance move

which i actually can not argue for besides one single panel

but it was questioned so i did it. though i dont belive in it myself

i will not push that upgrade

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then.

 

[Mister_Death]

^ Are you saying the upgrade would be applicable if we proved it wasnt a bfr move? Or is there some other variables we're missing?


EDIT: As far as I can tell, the upgraded Meidou could be seen as both a BFR move and a cutting one, as

the spherical Meidou never really affected Naraku until it became a cutting one

I don't think the calc should be treated as a joke if it's giving proper results honestly

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if the circumstances are extremely debatable, I would rather not use it.

 

[Mister_Death]

^If those values are correct/Non debatable, then the question of whether it's a BFR move or otherwise should honestly not be too difficult

Though it depends on if Raven is willing to pull through with it

I personally believe we have a shot at a nice upgrade

 

[Tivanenk]

Since when does Meidou Zangetsuha annihilate atoms?

 

[RavenSupreme]

this is what we try to find out

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it sounds more like Battle Field Removal.

 

[Tivanenk]

I think that it sounds more like Battle Field Removal.

It is. It BFRs you to hell. There's no mention of atoms in Inuyasha.

 

[Mister_Death]

^Naraku's body is far stronger than diamond(which in turn is stronger than rock) just for heads up


Also, the Meidou Zangetsuha is described as such

Meidou Zangetsuga: This technique opened up a black portal several meters in diameter that sent anything within its radius directly to the Netherworld itself. However, the portal could be destroyed if the target's energy reserves were sufficiently powerful enough, as shown when Sesshōmaru tried to use it on Inuyasha when the latter was in his yōkai state.

• Meidō Zangetsuha Blades: After absorbing the original Meidō Zangetsuha from the Tenseiga, the Tessaiga's variant fired a barrage of black crescent-shaped portals that, after cutting its demonic opponent, trapped the severed portion of their body in the underworld. Thus, the technique kept the original ability intact while adding the Tessaiga's cutting nature, making for a much stronger technique.
• Dimensional Travel: The Meidō Zangetsuha could also be used to enter/exit the Netherworld at will. Inuyasha also used this ability to enter and exit pocket dimensions (specifically, the Shikon no Tama and the Bone Eater's Well's closed-off time tunnel).

Which proves that it does Both BFR and slice up it's target

So it does cut, not just BFR

It either completely ignores durability and can cut anything, or has really high AP

 

[Mister_Death]

I think that it sounds more like Battle Field Removal.

I missed this message while I was typing, but the Meidou both cuts and the after effect BFRs

 

[RavenSupreme]

I think that it sounds more like Battle Field Removal.

it weas specifically stated to bfr the entire body to hell. but then later it disintegrated sesshoumaru who was caught in it into thin air

but thats only one panel. probably not enough to justify an upgrade. inconsistent writing

 

[Mister_Death]

^The spherical Meidou that is

Inuyasha's meidou does both that and cuts up his target

 

[Mister_Death]

^Btw, we're here discussing Continental level feats, when we have solid proof Inuyasha is mountain level or higher(destroying Naraku's body in one swing, which was proven to be larger than a mountain, and is made of a substance stronger than adamant)

 

[Tivanenk]

^Btw, we're here discussing Continental level feats, when we have solid proof Inuyasha is mountain level or higher(destroying Naraku's body in one swing, which was proven to be larger than a mountain, and is made of a substance stronger than adamant)

He destroyed his true body in one swing. Not that large mass.

 

[RavenSupreme]

sesshoumaru was the one damaging the mass with his bakusaiga

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/547.0/compressed/p547.14.jpg?v=1294358168

and inuyasha with his meidou

http://b.*************/store/manga/45/537.0/compressed/u537.14.jpg?v=1294356368

 

[Mister_Death]

^Btw, we're here discussing Continental level feats, when we have solid proof Inuyasha is mountain level or higher(destroying Naraku's body in one swing, which was proven to be larger than a mountain, and is made of a substance stronger than adamant)

He destroyed his true body in one swing. Not that large mass.

um..

http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c551/15.html

http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c551/16.html

http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c551/17.html

I think what was really left was his true body surrounded by miasma swirls

Inuyasha ended up destroying the entire mass with Meidou

 

[RavenSupreme]

^Btw, we're here discussing Continental level feats, when we have solid proof Inuyasha is mountain level or higher(destroying Naraku's body in one swing, which was proven to be larger than a mountain, and is made of a substance stronger than adamant)

He destroyed his true body in one swing. Not that large mass.

um..
http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c551/15.html

http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c551/16.html

http://www.*************/manga/inuyasha/c551/17.html

I think what was really left was his true body surrounded by miasma swirls

nice catch

 

[Antvasima]

So, will you be able to calculate that feat Raven?

 

[RavenSupreme]

i can try to calculate the feat for bakusaiga. yes. i think there even was already a calc for that, though i will overlook it.

the meidou feat however - i need other people to decide whether we treat it as BFR or actual erasing of existence.

i would prefer to treat it as BFR since we have only one panel indicating it could be something else, whereas every statement goes against it...

 

[Mister_Death]

^ By statements it's a cutting attack, did you see my recent posts about it? It says the Meidou evolved into a cutting technique to fit the tetsusaiga


It's also BFR, but it also cuts