Illumina major downgrade

[Oblivion_Lightning]

So after reading that scan, it only says Maginery World is a Universe; aka the very world that's containing every other dream. So if the thing people are trying to describe as a multiverse is merely a universe; then it sounds like it's the only real universe here and that other dream worlds are merely pocket realities. Even if they contain galaxies, that doesn't automatically prove they're universes.

Read mentioned arguments above explaining why each dream/pocket dimension is a universe as I cannot rewrite why right now as I'm super busy.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bro, Maginaryworld isn't a pocket dimension like the rest, showing the difference, among everything else I mentioned.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

A pocket dimension and a actual dimension can have the same properties and same size tho.You need to prove that Maginary World as a dream is different to the countless dreams by other creatures without a head canon.I also explained above why your reasonings are hollow.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

K

Maginaryworld isn't a jungle.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@DDM I am 100% sure that containing galaxies would indicate that they're universal in size, unless you really want to push the notion that they would arbitrarily stop at that. I also mentioned that being called a universe doesn't necessarily disprove 2-B.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

K

Maginaryworld isn't a jungle.

A pocket dimension and a actual dimension can have the same properties and same size tho.You need to prove that Maginary World as a dream is different to the countless dreams by other creatures without a head canon.I also explained above why your reasonings are hollow.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

Why dont you guys make a poll of the character getting downgraded or remaining the same instead of the hella long thread? It'll make it easier and faster for future changes.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Why dont you guys make a poll of the character getting downgraded or remaining the same instead of the hella long thread? It'll make it easier and faster for future changes.

I personally believe a democratic system is the best way to have changed be done but apparently that doesn't happen with CRT

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Actually, I didn't even see any galaxies in 4th dimensional space; all I saw were stars and comets; which wouldn't make them any more than 4-A sized. And we're nearing 500 posts so we're probably going to be making a new thread. And we don't decide outcomes based on polls; we do based on civilized discussions.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Can you address the universe reasoning instead of 4-A stuff as that's not what is important

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@DDM Notice the resemblance.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We said it multiple times, there's only proof that Maginary World; the world containing every dream, is universe sized where as the other stuff are simply called worlds or dimensions; which could just mean pocket realities. Not entire universes; ZamasuChan and Cal also further explained it in detail. And honestly calling them universes is kind of the same thing as calling World 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 in Super Mario Galaxy 2 universes when they're just collections of galaxies. You travel to each galaxy via sheer flight but you travel to the different "Worlds" with portals that look like black holes.

Edit: that first image doesn't quite look like a galaxy to me and the second one could be one but doesn't look entirely like one. Looks like the spiral similar to that one Fire Emblem Manga that was retconned later one.

Continued here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3077983

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Where are the world levels in Super Mario Galaxy 2 shown to be separated rather than just different areas of the same universe?

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Here we go again.....

-Maginary World is of Universe size as shown in the scan way above

-Illumina's dream was Maginary World

-If Illumina's dream is universe in size then so should every other dream being dreamed by other beings as saying they're bigger or smaller than a universe would be downplay or wank.Do not bring up the scaling I discussed with Cal above as that's merely headcanon.

-Maginary World and the seperate dreams have the same properties as stated above as well

-The Dreams are pocket universes within Maginary World which is also Universe in size giving it a 2-B status.I gave examples of how this is through TGGP example

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Notice it has a glowing center that would indicate a galactic core.

The second one is an image of the galaxy NGC 7049.

 

[Neon_Battle_Bind]

Again we're going in circles as the people in support keep mentioning 4-A stuff and keep saying that World doesn't equal Universe which isn't even relevant to the topic anymore.This should honestly be closed so we can move on to the 2-B stuff which this thread is interfering with for recycled debunked reasonings.

Also I know we don't go by votes but the people against VASTLY outweigh the ones in support.Just saying