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Illumina major downgrade

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This is getting way too hypothetical and you guys are assuming too much. This is like saying that Green Lantern can be stronger than any character by imagining it. His power is limited to his imagination so he could just imagine to be stronger than true Darkseid.
 
I found some scans from an alternate Japanese text book stating that the dreams are preallel to Sonic's dimension and I will post them shortly,but if the dreams have time and time passes within them they would be considered timelines due to the fact that Eggman sated that Solaris would devour all timelines/The entire Sonic verse.
 
Here's what I found

-Illumina's dream was to create and bring light to Maginary World.Maginary World is Illumina's dream and thus she created the precious stone to sustain her dream/maginary

-As stated by Shadow the dreams are separate from Maginary World and are all contained with in 4th dimensional space while that is in Maginary World it's stated that the dreams exist seperatyfrom each other so they're not connected or make up Maginary World or 4th dimensional space for that matter.

-A statement saying that Maginary World is a Universe:https://share.icloud.com/photos/0-B1stNNTW1UgR7ZE5HcQjKZw So if Illumina's own dream which is Maginary World is Universe sized then all other dreams be Universe sized as they all exist separately from Maginary World and are seperate dreams on their own.
 
Congratulations, you just found more evidence against you.

Let me tell you something saying that the dreams exist outside of the Maginaryworld is the biggest head canon you can think of. Nowhere and I mean absolutely nowhere, is it ever, stated, shown, or even remotely implied that the dreams exist outside of the Maginaryworld. I can't believe you went out of your way to make that up. The entire point and concept of the Maginaryworld is to be a world made of dreams. It's stated over and over, time and time again that all dreams are in the Maginaryworld. It's the one location they're in the ENTIRE game.

Now that you finally provided a scan, this heavily works against you because it says the Maginaryworld is a universe, not a multiverse. This is consistent with the manual calling it another dimension and that was the entire point of the thread.

I'm sorry but if you really believe that the dreams exist outside of the Maginaryworld, then you're just proving Matthew's point.
 
"Wow everything you just said is wrong"

Oblivion is not saying dreams exist outside of Maginary World of course not.He's simply saying that since Maginary World is Illumina's dream and is universe in size all the dreams from other beings would also be Universe in size.Maginary World does consist of the dreams but the dreams again exist separately from each other like pocket dimensions.
 
The size of Maginary World is irrelevant Only when taking into account the fact that it holds several other universes as the dreams exist separately from each other like pocket dimensions.Yes Maginary World is a Universe,Yes the dreams are inside of it as smaller pocket universes.
 
An example would be the Omniverse Orbs in "The Game Gods Play". The Orbs are only 7 feet tall.Yet it's stated to contain infinite universes and infinite dimensional planes,which all fit into a 7 foot tall orb.

The same applies to the Maginary World containing several universes sized dreams despite being a universe in size it's self as the dreams exist separately like pocket dimensions
 
Oblivion Lightning said:
The size of Maginary World is irrelevant Only when taking into account the fact that it holds several other universes as the dreams exist separately from each other like pocket dimensions.Yes Maginary World is a Universe,Yes the dreams are inside of it as smaller pocket universes.
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Pocket dimensions aren't universes and a bunch of pocket dimensions in one universe isn't a multiverse it's still low 2-C entirely.
 
Neon Battle Bind said:
"Wow everything you just said is wrong"
Oblivion is not saying dreams exist outside of Maginary World of course not.He's simply saying that since Maginary World is Illumina's dream and is universe in size all the dreams from other beings would also be Universe in size.Maginary World does consist of the dreams but the dreams again exist separately from each other like pocket dimensions.
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You just made me realize the fact that Illumina dreamed Maginaryworld into existing, and Maginaryworld is stated numerous times to be a dimension, and it's also a dream
 
^Yes!!!

Maginary World is stated to be Illumina's dream and is universe in size.Thus by default all other dreams being dreamt are of Universe size by default.Simple logic is the best logic
 
Basically what you're saying is "Well the Maginaryworld is a universe so I guess the other worlds are universes too".

Assumptions.
 
The real cal howard said:
Youse saying that Maginaryworld, a universe, holds other universes in it.

And no, this doesn't contradict my pervious statement that 4th Dimension Space is the same as Maginaryworld.
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4th dimensional space is a location within Maginary World

Maginary World is Universe in size but the dreams within the exist separately as stated by Lumina.The dreams are pocket realities that are universe in size.I gave an example of this in TGGP
 
I see what you mean but, it's never implied to be like that. If the Maginaryworld is a standard dream, according to you, then why are other dreams inside of it? Why aren't the dreams outside and actually separated from the Maginaryworld? You need to have proof of this because not only is the Maginaryworld a special location and basically the god of all dreams, but it was never actually shown inside the regular dreams. Not once do they ever show one of the REGULAR dreams being universal.

The Maginaryworld is a universe that holds dreams of unknown size. You can't say that the dreams are universes because the Maginaryworld is a universe, that's not a standard dream because it holds the source of all dreams. Show me that a Dream was actually shown or said to be universal without bringing up the Maginaryworld, that doesn't count.
 
4DS is the outer space to Maginaryworld's universe. That's the best analogy for it.

And again, I'm not denying Maginaryworld being a full sized universe. Because it very clearly is. I'm arguing that's because it is doesn't make the rest full on universes as Maginaryworld is clearly the hub here.
 
Zamasu Chan said:
I see what you mean but, it's never implied to be like that. If the Maginaryworld is a standard dream, according to you, then why are other dreams inside of it? Why aren't the dreams outside and actually separated from the Maginaryworld? You need to have proof of this because not only is the Maginaryworld a special location and basically the god of all dreams, but it was never actually shown inside the regular dreams. Not once do they ever show one of the REGULAR dreams being universal.

-Illumina created Maginary World through her dreams which is Universe in size.There's nothing stated or shown that Maginary World is different from the dreams of other beings unless you have proof.Thus the other dreams by default must be Universe Level as saying they're smaller is simply downplay or saying they're larger is wank.

The Maginaryworld is a universe that holds dreams of unknown size. You can't say that the dreams are universes because the Maginaryworld is a universe, that's not a standard dream because it holds the source of all dreams. Show me that a Dream was actually shown or said to be universal without bringing up the Maginaryworld, that doesn't count.
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Also when the Precioustone "The essence of Maginary World" was shattered it threatened to destroy all dreams which is further proof that the dreams and Maginary have the same properties.
 
No, if anything it implies the opposite. Maginaryworld is a blatantly superior dream that its destruction screws over every other dream.

Also let's not forget that you're implying that the dream of the goddess of dreams is equivalent to say, the dream of Chris from Sonic X.
 
Maginaryworld...

1) contains all the dreams inside it

2) is made by the goddess of dreams

3) sustains all of the dreams

Pretty sure that it's different. Not to mention that even if you're right, if Maginaryworld is only equal to individual dreams, that'd still put her at Low 2-C as creating Maginaryworld wouldn't be different to creating the other dreams.

Prescioustone's destruction threatening Maginaryworld and all the other worlds shows that it's very different from the rest of the worlds. It shows that Maginaryworld is clearly the bigger object. None of the other destructions were doing anything to the other dreams.

Also yes Chris should be Solaris fodder.
 
So after reading that scan, it only says Maginery World is a Universe; aka the very world that's containing every other dream. So if the thing people are trying to describe as a multiverse is merely a universe; then it sounds like it's the only real universe here and that other dream worlds are merely pocket realities. Even if they contain galaxies, that doesn't automatically prove they're universes.
 
The real cal howard said:
Maginaryworld...

1) contains all the dreams inside it

2) is made by the goddess of dreams

You need to prove this actually means something as it would make sense Maginary World is superior but it's still a headcanon and hasn't been prove

3) sustains all of the dreams

Maginary World only contains the dreams and the precious stone sustains them which is why when Void destroyed the stone it effected Maginary World and all the dreams within it.

Pretty sure that it's different. Not to mention that even if you're right, if Maginaryworld is only equal to individual dreams, that'd still put her at Low 2-C as creating Maginaryworld wouldn't be different to creating the other dreams.

I explained this before.The dreams are pocket dimensions as they exist separately from Maginary World but are contained within it.Thus being pocket dimensions allows them to fit into Maginary World in a sense.I gave an example like this with the Omniverse Orbs in the Game Gods Play above


Prescioustone's destruction threatening Maginaryworld and all the other worlds shows that it's very different from the rest of the worlds. It shows that Maginaryworld is clearly the bigger object. None of the other destructions were doing anything to the other dreams.

It shows that the dreams all have the same properties as the precious stone is "the essence of all dreams"and it's destruction effected all dreams including Maginary World furthering the fact that the dreams have the same properties and size.Since it's a dream and nothing states or shows Illumina's dreams are superior in anyway we would count it as the same dream to all others which would be of Universe size meaning Maginary World contains countless pocket universes that can fit due to being pocket universes.

Also yes Chris should be Solaris fodder. Throw Elise in there while your at it
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