If you were/are writer, how strong would/did you make your Verse?

[Christian_Higdon]

So CH becomes Eldrad?

Don't know who that is


and yeah, Christian, Mog still dies to the Dragon God's Sword, Phaeten, in one scratch.

Wait, how powerful is Phaeten again? Also, last i remembered, Mog can hit one so hard, it changes from real life to a dream.

 

[Mand21]

It cuts an individual entity's concept upon strucking it, erasing it from all of existence and registera and separating it from everything it's associated to. Basically all that Mog stuff on "oh but he's 100% evil tied to evil" would disappear and he'd die with no need for evil to go away.

actually the sword might not do shit to him because my verse does not view dimensional tiering as an infinite tier skip and the sword is 2-C+ (a thousand universes's worth) of durability although it can exert action throughout all of a multiverse that dwarfs the googol in size but in terms of mere versatility/logic then Mog certainly gets countered and can't do shit

 

[Christian_Higdon]

It cuts an individual entity's concept upon strucking it, erasing it from all of existence and registera and separating it from everything it's associated to. Basically all that Mog stuff on "oh but he's 100% evil tied to evil" would disappear and he'd die with no need for evil to go away.
actually the sword might not do shit to him because my verse does not view dimensional tiering as an infinite tier skip and the sword is 2-C+ (a thousand universes's worth) of durability although it can exert action throughout all of a multiverse that dwarfs the googol in size but in terms of mere versatility/logic then Mog certainly gets countered and can't do shit

Well, i'll admit, Restricted Mog gets cut down to pieces, but Unrestricted Mog.....well, yeah. The sword can't hit him, since he's linked to the Parabox. The Parabox is basically what holds reality together, and even if you lowball the Parabox, it's still High 1-B in power.

 

[Mand21]

Should I wank the sword's hax it would be 1-A tho

But yeah, you could say unwanked sword beats restricted Mog and wanked sword beats or competes with unrestricted Mog. A "semi-restricted version" of your verse is probably something the hayyoth could wage war against as a civilization and conquer, but by sheer tier they naturally win.

 

[Christian_Higdon]

If anything, Mog is probably the tier 0 of the verse, so yes, he could probably win. Considering, he no-selled the power of the Pure Hearts at once, it's safe to assume so. So, restricted Mog (the version that doesn't look like a dinosaur-sized black and white Bowser with red eyes like Darkseid) gets cut down, but unrestricted....well, to quote Mog when insane.

"(this plays) If i can't have you serve my iron fist rule, i'm gonna turn you into a headless skin-rug, with your head as my trophy."

EDIT: Actually, nevermind that statement. He looks like what i described no matter what. The only difference is the size.

 

[Mand21]

Well, a Tier 0 can never truly restrict himself, so we're either talking about different possibilities of writing him, or if he transforms then the best he reaches is High 1-A (misusing the term omnipotence can even get its usages on your story to lose credibility and that would nerf him down even further).

 

[CursedGentleman]

Maybe the Tier 0 have his own set of rules of not messing around and therefore created this avatars that while not Tier 0, are the strongest there is and have this God complex?

 

[Mand21]

Sounds more likely. These avatars can still be High 1-A at best.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I'd get bored real fast if I was tier 0, though I'd have fun being any 2 or 1 tier.

 

[Wokistan]

I'd get bored real fast if I was tier 0, though I'd have fun being any 2 or 1 tier.

but if you're tier 0 you have the power to make yourself unbored, just constantly pleasure yourself, it's like outerversal jerking off

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I know have a disturbing image of Ein Sof being lewd in my mind

 

[Rocker1189]

but if you're tier 0 you have the power to make yourself unbored, just constantly pleasure yourself, it's like outerversal jerking off

wow.. this is hilarious, gross and eye opening all at once.

 

[Seventy96]

God tier: 2-A to High 2-A with High 1-B hax like high godly regen

High tier: High 3-A to 2-B

High Mid tier: 4-B to 3-B

Mid tier: 7-C to 5-A

 

[Dziga]

I'd make a verse where everyone is inexplicably At least High 4-C. Oh wait...

 

[Rocker1189]

I'd make a verse where everyone is inexplicably At least High 4-C. Oh wait...

Gonna be honest, I think that this verse is being blown out of proportion but...shrug.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I would depict them as permanently tier 9/8 but would have one of the charaters move the sun, thus making them all 4-C despite the sun not acting like a giant amount of gas but instead as a more "Flat-erather "version of it.

 

[Mand21]

I would depict them as permanently tier 9/8 but would have one of the charaters move the sun, thus making them all 4-C despite the sun not acting like a giant amount of gas but instead as a more "Flat-erather "version of it.

tfw the most shit-tier fodder of your verse moves the sun around with 4-B kinetic energy... until they notice lore makes it 9-B

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

tfw the most shit-tier fodder of your verse moves the sun around with 4-B kinetic energy... until they notice lore makes it 9-B

Oh no, I leave that part out of the lore just for the fun of it. So even tough it goes against the laws of physics, the debaters can use physics to determinate her potency

 

[Christian_Higdon]

To be fair, most of the villians i've made have a true form, with an overpowered avatar. So, there's restricted Mog (2-B), unrestricted Mog (High 1-A), and true Mog (0).

 

[Mand21]

We've already talked a lot about what tier we'd put our characters on, so to talk about something slightly different without changing the topic, I'd like to invite you guys to talk about speed, hax, stamina and range.

The characters I imagine are often pretty damn fast for their tiers because I tend to, most of the time, keep newtonian kinetic energy around for most scales and feats aside from specific cases like some speedster abilities or impact amplifications. This means anyone able to punch above 20 MJ and thus into 9-A typically either has an impact amplification/body modification or a combat speed on the Hypersonic+ range or above. That basically makes the Outlier Race cap at High Hyersonic~High Hypersonic+ for special attacks coming from speedsters, even if such attacks are 8-C at best. Mages are even faster, with magic gods going from Relativistic to MFTL+ without even being Tier 5, and lower-end people still scoring stuff on the Massively Hypersonic through Subrelativistic+ quite often. Hayyoth... are born MFTL+ so let's ignore them.

An Outlier's range can vary from Melee anywhere towards a few kilometers, and magicians similarly vary from something like extended melee range/few meters to hundreds of kilometers, with magic gods easily conquering intercontinental range, but my best OCs have universal range. Teleportation and portals are often enough treated like a pure hax, and thus being limitless or even cross-dimensional is a thing even with minor characters, although the "the farther away, the harder" variation still dominates.

Stamina varies: magicians are sort of wimpy, and because mana is mind energy, trying to will yourself into lasting longer means your very will to continue fighting shall be sapped away, and they vary a lot depending on the strength of the spells they're using comparably to their own, from being able to fight for hours to fainting after a minute. Outliers however may peak at stuff like being able to use their full power for hours on end, or fight for as long as they're awake.

And I personally dislike hax most of the time, so while my "personal verse" doesn't have a lot of it, hax resistance which extends to not so haxxy stuff like "using aerokinesis to explode the target's lungs from a distance" via generic passive skills which interfere with foreign and non-consented ability uses or information transmissions are really commonplace, so even a complete fodder of Tier 10-C may have 9-B+ hax resistance, and overall characters have hax resistances wherein so long as the enemy is on a level similar to their own, winning through hax is impossible or too straining to be worth it, with however self-handicaps like touching a person so their passive "hax denial fields" may overlap allowing for limited hax usage around the touched region.The Hayyoth go further with that by being each "singular existences in all of the multiverse and time" and coming from a universe where time is not a tangible thing that can be distorted into the gravitational force as it works on our own or traveled through, their bodies synchronizing passively to the flow of time of where they are in an independent way, rendering them passively invulnerable to all of time manipulation and travel by entities below the fifth dimensional tier.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

I want my verse to have a huge emphasis placed on skill, above all else.

Everyone's powers are a result of adapting to a specific situation, and are shared by every member of their race. As a result, the real badasses are the ones that actually learned how to make even their basic biological functions combat-applicable.

For example, the Vastatioculus race all possess incredible eyesight facilitated by three pupils in each eye, each with different functions, which was initially evolved for the purpose of hunting in a dark, sandstorm-ridden desert environment. Only one of them saw the combat potential of this and honed and mastered his eyesight to become the greatest gunslinger in the universe.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Going back to my RPG style story the protagonist and magic users (lemme find a better name for it) have a range of elemental powers (fire, ice, lightning, water) but a large amount of esoteric ones such as an ability that, when apllied to a weapon, allows the user to regenerate either health, will power (Magic) or endurance, draining it directly from the body. There also are powers like telekinesis and attack reflection to use but this does come at a cost, strictly speaking the mana bar often seen in RPG is canon here and is a representation of the characters will (basically they manipulate elements of reality via will so that'd have a toll on them in the same way lugging an axe around takes a toll on a person's body, its also why a lot of people don't have magic)

The Gods and Divine beings of the verse sort of circumvent the above magic thing as well as having a list of noted powers. All the Gods can shapeshift, manipulate dreams, manipulate size at will, project themselves with an astral form and can manipulate and create concepts (The Pantheon in the first game in a war with their predescessor deities created Death, Time, War, Famine and Nemesis, conceptual entities with immense control over their respective concepts)

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

My magic system basically works via using plot manipulation to cause effects from stories and stuff to happen.

So if you want to make someone fall asleep, you start chanting the lines of, idk, Sleepy Beauty at them. Or a scene from a book where someone falls asleep.

The two interesting bits of the system is that 1) there is a special power source for using the plot manipulation, and the less well-known or believed-in the story is, the more fuel it costs to use, and the more of the story you need to chant to get the same effect (and obviously standing around in the middle of combat chanting 4 chapters of a book isn't going to work out well, assuming you can even memorise all those chapters). And 2) pretty much everyone resists plot manipulation to some degree, so you can't just say "the plot says you die now", you need to say "the plot says a fireball is shooting at your face" and then let the fireball you've conjured up do the rest.

 

[Mand21]

For example, the Vastatioculus race all possess incredible eyesight facilitated by three pupils in each eye, each with different functions, which was initially evolved for the purpose of hunting in a dark, sandstorm-ridden desert environment. Only one of them saw the combat potential of this and honed and mastered his eyesight to become the greatest gunslinger in the universe.

Cool and all, but wouldn't it make more sense for him to be just the most talented of all his race which is already prone to having great marksmen? Otherwise, it makes the rest of his race look like idiots.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

You know, all this talk about how powerful to make a verse or various systems of power reminds me of something that a friend and I worked on some years ago. We were just brain storming one day and he says to me:

Friend: "Hey, remember how a lot of anime has rating systems or power levels?"

Me: "Yeah. Kind of annoying once you think about how many there are. It's always used."

Friend: "Well that's because those kind of things only tell you how powerful someone's is or suposed to be."

That got us thinking about creating a system that doesn't just rely on informing power but saying how dangerous someone is due to their powers, skill level, intelligence, mental state and willingness to use all that plus their morality. This system would be more about how DANGEROUS a given character is.

 

[HST_Master]

^ This

Where you could have a person who's building level but has the skill and hax to take on tier 7s

 

[Mand21]

And you can have a Tier 6 be completely irrelevant because they don't do shit, and thus a Tier 9-A+ is a great threat. XD

 

[Bobsican]

INB4 a 5-C that`s too lazy to use its AP for something useful

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

You could have great moments where the Rank 1 most dangerous goes to fight the Rank 20,567, and gets atomised because they're a 9-A with mind hax and the 20,567 is a really really lazy 4-B with mind hax resistance

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

We came up with two contrasting examples for a system like this:

Character #1: A kindly old preacher whose abilities a kind of vague, ranging from healing to flight to supernatural luck. Turns out he's sort of a reality warper, whose manifestations of power are channeled through his faith and willingness to help others. As such, despite how powerful he could really end up being, his kind personality prevent him from abusing these things. Not too mention that his strong religious faith and humbleness prevent him from truly discovering his power as he believes that it's something granted to him by God to due good and nothing more.

As such his rating would be quite low due him being ignorant of the nature of his powers and his unwillingness to use them for violent/malicious causes. He'd be around like tier 8-B on the site. However, we actually planned for an event that would see him cut loose but due to his age, the strain of pushing his powers far beyond what's he used to and sheer amount of power he generates, he ultimately dies.

Character #2: A highly intelligent but cold blooded psychopath. He wouldn't have much in the way of physical power but makes up for in mind hax. His abilties include a hypnotic voice that lulls his targets into a false sense of security and eventually, into a highly suggestive state to. Listening to him talking can distort you perceptions as you'll start to believe that what he's saying is true. If he goes on and on about pink elephants, you'll really start seeing them. He can also interept other's emotions as to better gauge them, what they're going to do and how his words are affect them. All of this has led him to believe that others are just pawns for ambitions or toys for amusement.

Combine this with his intelligence, high skill as an orator/liar, patience and lack of a moral compass, you get one of the most dangerous people in the verse. Physically, he'd be like 9-C. But the potency of his hax would allow him to affect populations in the hundred of billions if he has a way to speak to all of them.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Cool and all, but wouldn't it make more sense for him to be just the most talented of all his race which is already prone to having great marksmen? Otherwise, it makes the rest of his race look like idiots.

That is an absolutely phenomenal point. Revision time!

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

speed, hax, stamina and range huh.

Well, speed first. I tought about having the main power of the characters beinmg able to defy aome rules of reality, time included. The lore would be that there is a being litiraly using time-hax to affect all beings, and that they could resist this efects to varying degrees, thus making them "faster".


That is also what hax would be about. being able to aimply resist some thinga like gravity or time. Other than that, only antagonistic species and the lovecraftian horrors would have any real haxes. The MC would have power null that restricts his enemies abilities to twice as strong as his own at max, forcing the character himself to fucus on tactics to defeat others


Range would be extended melee range with weapons, and houndreds of meters for an archers. It would be universal with some "spells" like invoking higher beings to do your bidding (at the cost of your mind)

 

[Mand21]

My most overpowered purely hax-based OC is a serial rapist, serial killer sociopath. His power — which the plot goes out of its way to emphasize how even a normal person could become a monster with it and here we are when an actual monster obtains that power — is the ability to suppress causality. He can preclude or diminish the consequences of his actions, and it's a power granted by a goddess (it would be a Konosuba-like Isekai), allowing him insane penetration against hax resistance. Basically, he can make himself be ignored by a person to do whatever he wants to them without them noticing, prevent an opponent from reacting to his attacks, punch a person and cause pain, but no damage in order to satisfy his sadism without breaking his doll.

That power is further explored as he makes experiments with situations wherein a person should be unable to react to anything else than his actions, yet his power suppresses their reactions (such as forcing a girl to lay on the ground when she was normally walking and talking to someone, yet preventing her from noticing his actions and existence), thus causing that person's expression to turn into dead eyes and a monotonous face, as if catatonic. He also repeatedly sexually assaults a girl so many times that even though the consequences of his actions are mostly suppressed, her subconscious mind still catches something and makes her feel extremely depressed without knowing why, and he fights that girl's friend who has a powerful blessing passed along her family which allows protection against many haxxes, including his, and yet he manages to delay her reflexes and slow down her movements, and deny the event of her supernatural resistance no-selling his atttacks in order to fight toe to toe with an opponent who should vastly outclass her.

Basically, a villain protagonist of the most disgusting class, where the story begins as rape **** and before you recognize it, it's some sort of weird battle shounen and oh, the main guy is a huge danger to society and everybody's lives, guilt-tripping you for your reactions to the first chapters.

 

[Jackythejack]

I've had a few worlds that I've wanted to make, being an aspiring writer myself. The way they normally work most characters don't get past 9-C. In fact, the way this is working, I don't think most of the characters would even get to eight, even with one of my worlds being a superheroes kind of thing which would be set in the fifties with all that kind of culture and stuff.

The strongest character that I've tried to develop so far is a girl who is basically set on her own interests. She went on a quest to obtain a stone that would greatly increase her fire magic in order to protect her town. She'd do just about anything to achieve her goals. I even had an idea where she basically burns a child to get information, which she knows for...plot reasons don't you worry.

By the time she gets the stone she's immune to any kind of immense heat, including lava. Her blood is boiling hot and if you were to touch it you'd end up with severe burns. If using the full extent of her power she could probably burn down entire cities or even a whole forest with a few attacks. She's the strongest one of the group of heroes I was thinking about, while the rest are simple archers, swordsmen and the like. She's one of the few main character magic users I'd have in that series of books.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

I have five protagonists forming a team that goes on adventures and steadily gets stronger like in One Piece.

The main protag is a girl named Jennifer. Super blunt and abrasive and doesn't understand the concept of tact unless another life depends on it. Master swordswoman, off-the-charts pain resistance and determination, Low-Mid regen over extended time periods.

I plan to have a scene where she is trapped beneath a massive weight that's sinking to the bottom of a lake and crushes her legs and dominant hand when it gets there. Through sheer determination, she drags herself across the lakebed with her other hand, up and onto the shore (dislodging herself from the wreckage in the process), and then all the way through a forested area and up a cliff, so that by the time she arrives, her legs have been pulverized, her lungs are full of water, her eyes are bloodshot and useless from water pressure, and her working arm has been scraped absolutely raw to the point that tendons are exposed and bone is slightly visible.

She makes a full recovery, but only after months of being out of commission and in agonizing pain as her body works through each complication.

But the real unusual quality about her is her weapon. A "sword" called Shred that is temporally and spatially bonded to her presence, and if she's disarmed it will glitch back into her hands. She can't control when it does this, and it can be anywhere between several seconds and 12 hours. The only warning she gets when its about to move is that her eyes and its hilt glow a faint red due to the temporal energy rushing between them.

 

[Mand21]

Oh, yeah, regen.~

A lot of characters I make have some degree of regen, even if it's just Low so that they don't stay badridden so long as real life people from normal injuries, or Mid-Low so they don't get scars (or Low natural regen with Mid-Low healing abilities or technology from the universe to prevent scar formation). However, people with good Regenerationn most often have regens of high but combat inapplicable levels. An Outlier with really high regen would probably have Low-Mid to Mid regen but it would be combat inapplicable although they could have Low or Mid-Low combat applicable regen. Hayyoth, on the other hand, all have a pretty high-end Low-Mid, bordering on Mid as they might regenerate not only severed limbs, but good chunks of their bodies being cut out in a minute at most, with a low-end High-Mid Regenerationn in non-combat applicable situations.

Overall I wouldn't write characters with extremely high regens because I feel like I'd need to nerf their durability in order for them to remain defeatable and I don't think that makes a lot of sense.

 

[Wokistan]

If you wanted to get into using the godly regens but not have them be broken, you could give a character the specific ability to negate regenerative abilities, or powernull, etc. I can understand not wanting to do that though, since I don't know the overall scale and personality of your verse.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Yeah. I like characters that need to rest to heal.

If Jen got mutilated enough all at once she'd be done for.

As far as the rest of the team's abilities

Joseph (team leader, arrogant asshole): Master marksman, martial arts, speed amping, electricity generation, night vision, enhanced hearing, Mid-Low regen (broken bones snap back into place and skin heals)

Keigo (Joseph's beleaguered bodyguard): Martial arts, Ki manipulation, limited attack reflection, instinctive reaction, eventually flight and energy projection

Syem (escaped lab experiment): Instinctive reaction, enhanced senses, sonar, can mold his symbiotic outfit into various shapes, stealth mastery, resistance to empathic or morality manipulation, High-Mid regen over time, eventually Martial Arts and Shapeshifting, as well as Size Manip

Matthew (Orphaned boy): Fire manipulation, Danmaku, Low-High regen, Enhanced sense of taste, immune to pain, Flight

Matchitehew (Matt's split personality): Ice Manipulation, weather manipulation, sound/vibration manipulation, can stretch like rubber, shapeshifting, body control, size manipulation, Madness manipulation

Sorry for rambling, I'm just excited to be able to talk about this

 

[Ogurtsow]

The strongest characters would be High 6-A. When the PP will have reached this peak, there will be an epic battle in space (The first and last in the series) against the PA. Both sides will be transforming into giant energy forms, the PP will be creating a giant forcefield around the Earth and will be saying something like «This world is too tiny for both of us».

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

@Ogurt

Call me uninspired or whatever, but that's all I could ever ask for in a final battle.