If you were/are writer, how strong would/did you make your Verse?

[Dannysayan]

At the start the characters are Town level + reality manipulators that at the end reach 1-B levels.

 

[Tincan123]

Dunno what my start and mid characters power look like but i do have a idea of the end characters power

1 The power return any concept back to 0 aka it becomes nothing again.

2 The power to manipulate the fundemential system of any kind of Law.

3 The power of the villian makes it so that any kinda fight vs your oppeonent will be unfair for your oppenent because you will always have the edge over them either by gaining immunity to their powers or gaining new powers to counter your opponent.

 

[Mand21]

@Mand
then again, the demon could use the advantage of portal creation to keep her out of sight, since she doesnt have flight,

Who you're talking about with flight? All Hayyoth have greatly MFTL+ True Flight meant to work on space and allow them to travel through the universe they're in. Their travel speed is enough to fly through a galaxy in less than one minute, although it varies somewhat wildly throughout the species, but it remains enough that traveling the observable universe and hundreds of times beyond that can be done in efficient time without needing to use tech to teleport to the precise destination if no emergency exists.

...yeah, their speed is broken, but the kind of stuff they have is what I noticed it took to have a respectable "race of multiversal empresses", since they had to conquer universes and thus couldn't take years just to move from one edge to another. Information transfer from one edge of the observable universe to the other would take them a split-second on their technology, even if they don't teletransport it with portals.

I think the only of the three groups I'm mentioning which doesn't have True Flight as almost a given/easily learnable ability is the Outliers since their powers, however versatile through the branches, are somewhat rigid. Mages have powers like that and the stellars/valkyries/hayyotth have a really hyperversatile matter creation&manipulation that can even be used on themselves, as well as each of them having one or few individual skills which aren't covered by that (such as mindhax).

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Hmm...that depends. I actually have multiple verse I would like to make. The serious shounen style verses I would make would be relatively similar in power. Starting around Tier 5 and capping off at Tier 1, with multiple hax-heavy characters. Other verses I've considered making would be Tier 9, Tier 4, Tier 7 and Tier 2 if I'm in the mood for some OP characters, and hax would vary.

 

[Mariogoods]

Why not ask the talented artist with the Magical Pe? When he is starting drawing, he is one of the artists who can make their stories. It's just story inside a story...

 

[Andytrenom]

The hell? why didn't I received notifications from this thread?

 

[Mand21]

The hell? why didn't I received notifications from this thread?

You must have unwillingly unfollowed it due to a wikia bug.

Btw, what feats would you guys use to make your characters overpowered? I feel like stuff such as large magnitude (but with an epicenter far away from civilization) earthquakes with statements that the tectonic plates were moved are a good way to boost a verse to tier 6 without needing to cause a large amount of destruction. Same for cloud clearing and vaporization of materials or even "destroying every last atom" of something. I'd totally have a character subatomize a mountain or island and then punch upwards to expel all the radioactive material generated while clearing a thunderstorm, in order to buff them to Tier 5 without needing to cause widespread destruction.

 

[BattleReviews]

@Mand if i want overpowered characters, i create characters which can defeat Tier 0, or summon tier 0s

 

[Wokistan]

They're default not tier 0 if they're defeatable.

 

[Wokistan]

Its also pretty hard to specify something as a tier 0 by the rules of this site. Compare the number of omnipotence statements to how we have like 6 tier 0s.

 

[BattleReviews]

They're default not tier 0 if they're defeatable.

oh, seems like azatoth will have a downgrade soon or later, same goes for the one above all, and the writer, if i created Tier 0 OCs which can defeat tier 0s, and can summon em,

 

[Mand21]

@Mand if i want overpowered characters, i create characters which can defeat Tier 0, or summon tier 0s

That's not something that can be done. =/ You'd just take the credibility of statements of omnipotence in your verse. That's not how Tier 0 works.

However, you may want to give a character 1-A status, get him curbstomped by the sheer power of the enemy and then notice that this enemy is just cannon fodder of the Big Bad, a High 1-A or high-end 1-A. That would make more sense.

Tier 0 characters cannot be defeated, BR. They cannot be opposed by anyone whatsoever. Doing so would just automatically contradict their tier. Omnipotence is absolute by definition. Don't become the new Lionel Suggs.

If I want overpowered characters, I'll kinda detach them from the humans. Maybe create a race of beings who eat stars, and have somebody defeat it, powerscaling to it. My hayyoth/stellar race (the one of 4-B multiversal empresses) kinda enables people to powerscale to them.

 

[BattleReviews]

but what if the tier 0 got tier 0 feats, wont that contradict the tier 0 itself? such as Summoning Tier 0, or have a tier 0 feat which doesnt include tier 0 being defeated

 

[Wokistan]

Being beaten by default makes things not tier 0, and your OCs don't downgrade wiki profiles. There's a reason that we don't use fanfic.

 

[Mand21]

but what if the tier 0 got tier 0 feats, wont that contradict the tier 0 itself? such as Summoning Tier 0, or have a tier 0 feat which doesnt include tier 0 being defeated

There is no such a thing as Tier 0 feats. They are naturally born from statements and explanations of feats. "Destroying an omniverse" or "Destroying all of existence" are nowhere Tier 0. Actually, the first one may as well be 2-A and if an universe is all that is shown, the second might as well be Low 2-C. Tiers above that require lore, you need to describe your reality before it can be destroyed. And even if you invoke platonic concepts and adimensionality, you're stuck at Tier 1-A. Even if you invoke adimensional creatures which play with concepts and treat them like something as small as anything else, wherein a dot and a creature above dimensions are indifferent to them, that's still High 1-A.

In order to have a character capable of doing anything, being truly unbeatable and above anything whatsoever, you have no choice but to make use of statements. You must state the character in a glorious way that make them above even metaphysics and truly limitless, because there is no way to demonstrate that else than writing a book with an infinite word count and listing all feats imaginable. And you must never contradict yourself: a single contradiction, and the character is back to Tier High 1-A or lower.

Do you get it now? It is not that Tier 0 is contradictory (it sorta is, but only because we give fiction some leeway in that respect). Tier 0's feat is to be invincible and above all, while also being absolutely omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. You can't do that and be defeated. It contradicts you, not the Tier 0. After all, if the omnipotent can do anything even if it has no logic, can't he just win? Yeah. That's the problem with your narrative: the fact a Tier 0 may only lose to PIS and willful self-handicap. A Tier 0 is not like a Tier 3-B which can be mathematically measured and something above that imagined. It's beyond quantifiability and comparability.

What feats of "Tier 0" would you give your characters at all? A statement of omnipotence may as well mean nothing. We have Tier 4-B "omnipotents" on this site because their statements were contradicted or baseless. Anti-feats take precedence on Tier 0 and there's a reason why they cannot be used in battles: because they instawin. Battles between Tier 0 characters are contradictory and inconclusive by default because both characters involved win. There is no "above Tier 0". There's not even a way to oppose them.

You see, "being able to defeat omnipotence" is a fallacy. Simple as that.

 

[BattleReviews]

what if we have a character with Omnipotence negation? what if it defeats tier 0, let alone durability negation being used on them,

hmmm,

Pixel (Movie) > Tier 0

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Well, I'm actually writing a Book atm. In my story:

• God Tiers = Conceptual Beings born from Nothingness with the power to Create and Destroy Universes. (2 beings)

• Top Tiers = 10 magnitueds lower than God Tiers and can Destroy or Reshape the Universe as they see fit. (2 beings)

• High Tiers = Not as strong as Top Tiers, but their full power, while not strong enough to destroy the universe, can seriously affect it (5 beings)

• Mid Tiers = Star Level

• Low Tiers = Building Level

• Fodder = Humans

 

[Mand21]

Well, I'm actually writing a Book atm. In my story:

• God Tiers = Conceptual Beings born from Nothingness with the power to Create and Destroy Universes. (2 beings)

• Top Tiers = 10 magnitueds lower than God Tiers and can Destroy or Reshape the Universe as they see fit. (2 beings)

• High Tiers = Not as strong as Top Tiers, but their full power, while not strong enough to destroy the universe, can seriously affect it (5 beings)

• Mid Tiers = Star Level

• Low Tiers = Building Level

• Fodder = Humans

Are humans even fodder by this point, TheFinalOrder? A fodder soldier is an expendable soldier. This means they're deployed in Zerg Rush in attempts to overwhelm a stronger opponent. However, if the Low Tier goes from 9-A to 8-B, then a human wouldn't be fodder to these guys. A fully equiped tank with anti-tank rounds and missiles would be fodder to these guys.

Fodder is still a level of power, you know. It requires being able to damage the relevant people so that numbers can pose a threat. The threat of 9-C to a 9-A is literally nonexistent as these can shake their arms and kill several 9-Cs. The threat of 8-B to High 5-A is nonexistent: a High 5-A can casually obliterate the entire species of the 8-B. A threat of High 4-C (or even 4-A+) to a 3-B is literally null: the 3-B can one-hit the entire species of the 4-A+ effortlessly and nothing they do will damage him.

You'd want to keep fodder at no less than a thousandth of the power of the people they're facing, unless it's a game with game mechanics at place. Even then, I'd recommend less of a difference. A ratio of 20x is enough for the fodders to barely be a threat, but still exist.

what if we have a character with Omnipotence negation? what if it defeats tier 0, let alone durability negation being used on them,
hmmm,

Pixel (Movie) > Tier 0

Omnipotence includes all the powers, including immunity to that. Are you even serious? Or are you that biased?

 

[Wokistan]

Omnipotence negation isn't a thing. Even tier 0s are only questionably omnipotent, since that's a flawed concept. Simply put, if the character has any sort of limitation or setback its not tier 0 and as such beating tier 0s isn't a thing.

 

[Wokistan]

I mean, in 40k the imperial guards obviously are nowhere near as strong as Ynnead, and it still works there. Depending on the scale of your verse you could have fodders that are absolutely inconsequential to higher ups.

 

[BattleReviews]

what if we have a tier 0 without questionable omnipotence, but just omnipotence?

 

[Mand21]

I mean, in 40k the imperial guards obviously are nowhere near as strong as Ynnead, and it still works there. Depending on the scale of your verse you could have fodders that are absolutely inconsequential to higher ups.

How would it work, though? The only way I can imagine is fodders being used to conquer sub-fodder people (ex: 9-B fodder being deployed after significant enemies have been taken down, just to subjugate the normal humans and take the territory) or do non-battle related work (reconnaissance and vigilance). They can't damage even a completely worn-out enemy, should that enemy be thousands of times stronger. Like, what's their meaning? >.> I already barely understand Ainz Ooal Gow having spawnable mobs which can be defeated en-masse by a Mythril-ranked Worker team when his fodder later on fodderizes heroes and Tier 6 magic users (and Level 45 fodder actually makes a lot more sense to Ainz).

 

[Wokistan]

We don't. There's no what if, because the site doesn't work that way. There's no defeating tier 0s, because if something otherwise tier 0 loses, its downgraded.

 

[Wokistan]

Its due to the size of 40k, and even in universe the average life expectancy of an imperial guardsman isn't very high. You can ask me more about that on my wall, since this isn't really the thread for that. Also that was literally the most extreme example I could have used, as Ynnead is the strongest of the many gods of the setting, apparently even superior to the emperor. Obviously regular soldiers with better weapons aren't expected to contend with a literal god lol.

 

[BattleReviews]

We don't. There's no what if, because the site doesn't work that way. There's no defeating tier 0s, because if something otherwise tier 0 loses, its Downgraded

My Comment: i never said such thing

 

[Wokistan]

You asked about tier 0s listed as just omnipotent, to which I responded that we don't do that. One was listed like that for a little bit, but somebody noticed and changed it to questionably omnipotent. You've been talking about characters defeating tier 0s for a while now.

 

[Wokistan]

I like how the tags of this thread kinda form a scale for character powers, ranging from spongebob tier to medaka tier to the writer tier

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@Mand21

I get it. In my story though, it revolves around the Bulding levelers with the higher tiered Characters lurking and watching. I've made sure to Balance the power scales.

 

[Blahblah9755]

what if we have a tier 0 without questionable omnipotence, but just omnipotence?

You can't have unquestionable omnipotence because no matter how powerful they're said to be it's unprovable because they can't go out and kill all other tier 0s or affect the real world, therefore it's only questionable. Within their story they may be a true omnipotent, but once you question inter-fiction or reality-fiction interactions it's all speculation.

 

[Mand21]

You know what I might do? Have an omnipotent prove their omnipotence. It will be in text. If it's a visual medium, the screen will go black and there will be a narration explaining that at that moment, the omnipotent was using their power to prove that which can't be proven without omnipotence: that they are omnipotent, using it to show undeniable proof that only the characters can see, not because us humans cannot comprehend it but because visual medium and descriptions cannot reproduce it, so all that could be done was convincingly assert it through narration and not get contradictions anywhere.

But yeah, most likely that's still a questionable omnipotence, and I would only do that in a non-canon story because my main verse doesn't go past Tier 2 (probably not even 2-B).

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

What level of speed is decapitating the person right in front of you with a sword in a nanosecond? Cause I just wrote a page where this happens.

 

[MeleeniumRXJ]

What level of speed is decapitating the person right in front of you with a sword in a nanosecond? Cause I just wrote a page where this happens.

It's low-end FTL. Possibly FTL+

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Nice.

 

[BattleReviews]

well, for that feat, it might be subsonic since its in a nanosecond, something the human cannot react to, and isnt as fast as lightning

 

[Andytrenom]

I have a feat in mind, the character fights against a giant who is so big that that his eye alone covers the entire sky and spans over the horizon, I tried calcing it myself and got High 6-B results, is this accurate?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Depends on how high he is looking from.

 

[Aeyu]

Not gonna lie, I had very, very high stuff even in my pre-VBW, pre VS debating era, and it had generally nothing to do with powerscaling. 4-D all the way to 13-D stuff, with some beyond-dimensional characters.

 

[Wokistan]

Seems like his eye being. It enough to cover the whole sky indicates the giant being larger han the planet to me.

 

[Gemmysaur]

I prefer having them in the Building to City-block level range, with top tiers well into City level with some haxx that requires something of sacrifice, the stronger the spell in question (e.g. healing an entire army at the cost of one's own lifespan being shortened).

 

[Kepekley23]

Not exactly. Something more than a couple dozen kilometers in length would be readily visible from the Earth's surface and cover a decent enough portion of it. Covering the whole sky is a few hundred km.