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If you were/are writer, how strong would/did you make your Verse?

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Mand21 said:
Do any of you guys have intelligence OP characters? And heck, this thread has never been so active.
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Yes, actually. The most powerful characters are intellectually, physically, tactically, and skillfully superior to any other entity, which each one having reason to keep them from joining the conflict and solving it instantly.

Samael: Trying to maintain the "mysterious background villain" image.

The Swordswoman: Way too laid-back and casual to actually take anything seriously.

The Assassin: Will only interfere for an equivalent price.

Herigold: Thinks people should solve their own problems.

And all of them prefer to watch conflicts unfold rather than help with them.
 
Speaking of conceptual stuff, I made a character who can kill creatures without any concept of death... by giving them that concept. He's also like casually 2-A. One of 4 dudes who can do the same things.
 
Well, that's him just restricting his power. Mog already has been shown to transcend all of time and space in power and age. Also, Mog's been shown to have control over all concepts when unrestricted, so he can easily destroy all concepts by closing his hand without having to die himself.
 
Also, before I had Word installed, I needed to have internet in order to save what I had written; there was a time in which I had just written a 2000 words long chapter for a story, and then when I clicked to save (as in, exactly when I clicked it, almost perfectly synchronized) the internet went out, the page tried to reload but it couldn't, and then I lost all I had written, and then the internet came back less than a minute later just to laugh at me.
 
Jordanbairdcreaturemaster97 said:
Yes, actually. The most powerful characters are intellectually, physically, tactically, and skillfully superior to any other entity, which each one having reason to keep them from joining the conflict and solving it instantly.

Samael: Trying to maintain the "mysterious background villain" image.

The Swordswoman: Way too laid-back and casual to actually take anything seriously.

The Assassin: Will only interfere for an equivalent price.

Herigold: Thinks people should solve their own problems.

And all of them prefer to watch conflicts unfold rather than help with them.
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...that's pretty cool. Even better if it's hard to pay the assassin since there's hardly anything you can do that would please such a strong entity.

And tatical intelligence is the best in stories <3
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
If I ever become a professional writer, I'll write a book that will have Composite Organism as a legit character.
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I plan on making composite human a legit character. Then have him treat people anywhere from Tier 9 like fodder because of my ideology of "intelligence best attribute" and "strategy works as a multiplier of probability. As long as there is a chance of victory, it will work by amplifying the likelihood victory will come. Therefore you cannot defeat someone you have no chance to win, regardless of how smart you are... but even scratch damage with your strongest attacks while being blitzed with a 10x speed disadvantage is enough for those sufficiently smart".
 
@Christian

So, is he also immune to lolpowernull? I'm guessing yes.

You know, with Paulo's mention of composite organism, has anyone else done a chracter like that? I don't have any, yet, but I do have a character who is the amalgamation of souls within an entire timeline.
 
I have written some things. I don't really care what tier my characters are at as long as they are are able to interact with each other in way that I am looking for.

But, so far, I have:

2 Tier 10s

A metric ton of Tier 9s

1 Tier 8

1 Tier 7

Maybe up to 10-15 Tier 5s?

4-5 Tier 1s

But, only one Tier 5 is a major part of the story. The problem with inserting very powerful characters is that they are boring as hell. The tier 5s are all dillholes, and they are only there to drive the plot foward. The Tier 1's are all physical representions of concepts, which is how I believe Tier 1's and above should be done in writing. Though if you do them another way, no judge.
 
Mr.Cutlery said:
@Christian
So, is he also immune to lolpowernull? I'm guessing yes.

You know, with Paulo's mention of composite organism, has anyone else done a chracter like that? I don't have any, yet, but I do have a character who is the amalgamation of souls within an entire timeline.
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Yes, he is.
 
I'm surprised more people aren't saying Tier 10 for low-end. I've always loved more grounded characters in that way.

Anyway for the setting I'd prefer to write about (fantasy), I think I'd avoid tier 7 and above or instead make such power vague and restrict it to mythology within that verse itself, sort of like real life. I still see myself going crazy with hax, just not with pure strength.

I'm part of a sci-fi writing group that has characters well into Tier 8 with significant hax through science + magic, and it's fun, but still not my preferred setting.
 
Eldrad's a 40K psyker who beat and nearly killed Abaddon, which is seriously impressive, and a big part of that was him precogging into a million futures to follow out the one strand of fate where he doesn't just die then and there. Eldrad's likely the third or second strongest non tier 1 in Warhammer. Your thing with CH winning if there's any chance at all, no matter how small, reminded me of Eldrad.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Everybody tries to make their villain as strong as possible, but honestly, one thing I always wanted to do is a villain that still manages to be a threat while being weaker than the hero.
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Does The Crimson King count, since he's weaker than Gan?
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Everybody tries to make their villain as strong as possible, but honestly, one thing I always wanted to do is a villain that still manages to be a threat while being weaker than the hero.
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DO I LOVE UNDERDOG VILLAINS?! YES, I DO! IS KUMAGAWA MISOGI ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS IN ALL OF FICTION? YES, HE IS!
 
I've thought of writing a 10-C villain whose only power is combat unapplicable Mid-level Regenerationn which regenerates their body's telomeres so that they have baby-smooth skin but their muscles will never atrophy nor hypertrophy. They were one of the first homo sapiens sapiens to ever live and boast of stuff like "I killed the last Neanderthal with a vine and a rotten log! I survived all ice ages with my brain alone! I walked off the *event which reduced humanity's numbers to mere 10k* with sheer wits!" and use all sorts of underhanded tatics to shit on people who casually crush houses.
 
Wokistan said:
Eldrad's a 40K psyker who beat and nearly killed Abaddon, which is seriously impressive, and a big part of that was him precogging into a million futures to follow out the one strand of fate where he doesn't just die then and there. Eldrad's likely the third or second strongest non tier 1 in Warhammer. Your thing with CH winning if there's any chance at all, no matter how small, reminded me of Eldrad.
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That's insanely badass, though it would look better with strategy rather than precog (or at least precog working because that future involves him doing some really smart stuff).
 
Well, Eldrad did that on the spot, as Abaddon was about to kill him. Eldrad's kinda infamous for his planning stuff as well, almost like a mini tzeentch at times. The passage where Eldrad fights him is on one of Matt's blogs somewhere, let me get you the pic.
 
Keep in mind, Abaddon wasn't finished off by Eldrad then and there because the Chaos gods themselves stepped in to save him, likely not wanting a repeat of the Horus situation. It's even noted on Abaddon's page that only Eldrad has really come close to killing him.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Everybody tries to make their villain as strong as possible, but honestly, one thing I always wanted to do is a villain that still manages to be a threat while being weaker than the hero.
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Usually because that's an easy way to raise the stakes. "Oh he's/she's even more power than the last guy!" Other kinds of villians usually require much more setup because they have to be threatening in other ways.

Honestly, I get where you're coming from. I'd much perfer a villian whose threatening because of say their vast intelligence and resources plus what they do with those. Like a villian whose a brilliant and charsimatic general or ruler. Someone who doesn't really fight but has a number of things that they can throw at the protags. In response, the protags have to strategically take apart the operation (destroying military instillations, gathering intelligence, assassinating key henchmen) and dismantle the villian's powerbase before they can even truly get at them.
 
Wokistan said:
Keep in mind, Abaddon wasn't finished off by Eldrad then and there because the Chaos gods themselves stepped in to save him, likely not wanting a repeat of the Horus situation. It's even noted on Abaddon's page that only Eldrad has really come close to killing him.
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DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN

I'M BLOWN AWAY AFTER READING THE NARRATION FOR THAT SCENE

HOLY SHIT
 
Technically all my characters are 1A, but that's cause I set up my series' cosmology so that if I power crept them too hard there could be a pseudo-reset. They act more like tier 9B to 2C characters, with gods ranging from tier 2C to 1B, and living concepts that act like tier 1As.
 
lol, I literally found out about it because I was ******* around on the net. Prior to that, I didn't even know something like that exists.
 
When I write something I mostly focus on character interactions and the drama brought from certain "fights". Feats usually are secondary (if at all). Most of my characters end up in like 9-B to 8-C power because of that, as they are first and foremost skilled.

Even when I use something like a tier 4 dude (usually a glass cannon), I have the characters beating him in a psychological game (sometimes within mindhax).

I have always adored classical magic, tho. For example, transmuting a painting and givin' it life. Or duplication through the use of mirrors. And good ol' hammerspace.

The strongest I would make my character would probably be on tier 6, while an absolute god tier would be Low 2-C, or probably 2-A.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
I wanted to get into WH40, but I have no idea where to start.
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Another good series I find is the Eisenhorn Trilogy. It does a fantastic job of painting you a picture of Imperial Society, basic terminology and the divide between all the people who are supposedly working together. Not too mention a look into the most feared insitution in the Imperium of Man.

There are plenty more that I could go on and on about. But really, getting into 40K isn't that hard despite all the lore. My best recommendation is just to look various novel series and just pick one that sounds interesting to you.

Once you get going down the rabbit hole, it's a cake walk.
 
I liked the ahriman trilogy of books, and iirc they released an omnibus of them a year ago or so. However, Ahzek's one of my favorite 40k characters, and I'm not sure how conducive it would be to people new to the series. I'd definitely get to them at some point if you like the others though.
 
We should probably stop derailing the thread and turning it into the Warhammer discussion thread part 2 though.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
When I write something I mostly focus on character interactions and the drama brought from certain "fights". Feats usually are secondary (if at all). Most of my characters end up in like 9-B to 8-C power because of that, as they are first and foremost skilled.
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Yeeeeeah! :3 Characters on impressive but not unfathomable levels are pretty damn cool.
 
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