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Yes we're waiting for @Shuradou
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Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou Reality-Fiction stuff continued
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Yes they are 2-A, based on what I have seen, the current profile is using a Hierarchy of worlds that basically don't exist (my take on the stuff), this would make what Akuto did in the after life High 1-B via
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In the continuation of infinite possibilities, it is said that infinite possibilities include not only the world but everything that can be defined. Since there are endless layers of fictional reality in the series, it is considered as the real world of fiction that transcends each other. infinite fiction reality steps are high1B .
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Like I said bro, I know thing about the novel just gave my point on possible worlds rating but if what you say is true then I agree.
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Well, I think that we have to wait until @DontTalkDT finds the time to help out here.
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Actually, I'm just waiting for Shuradou to have his say on the matter. Once everyone had a chance to give their opinion I will let the staff decide.
As you have probably noticed I'm not very active currently due to being quite busy, so I personally don't plan on having further long debates on the subject matter anytime soon (once the thread is concluded I will try to write something regarding the other downgrade points, though). I also don't think there is much more to say on the reality-fiction matter this thread is about beyond what I have said in the OP. We would probably just be going in circles if we took it further, as I don't think the sides will ultimately agree.
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From what I've seen, characters who originate from Vertigo have vastly superior feats than those in the "usual" DC canon.
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Wasn't this idea of "endless layers of fictional reality" debunked in like 2 threads, one being this one?
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Perhaps, but I don't think Vertigo truly dives very deep into cosmology that much. At least, nothing that really gets high into tier 1
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Wtf ?
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Vertigo has a bunch of multiversal stuff, but I don't quite remember anything that gets into 1A by itself unless Unwritten is treated as canon to Vertigo (which it isn't).
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Mike carey cosmology ìs like the peak of Dc cosmology, just wait till the revision.
Plus this is heavy derailing and don't know when such a thread became a dc thread.
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Agreed. We should just wait for some arguments to be made first
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No it isn't fine. Why the "hurry"?
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It's probably better to have more discussion. As it is now, almost nobody has truly made any arguments, and the people we're waiting for haven't responded yet. As well as that, most people seem to agree to downgrading the verse
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If no one can truly counter dontTalk points then it doesn't matter how many people agree with downgrading the verse. But we can just wait for shurado and Yuri that's if he wants to give his input here.
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Well thank you for responding, good luck in the test later
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No, it's not
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I don't see that there is anything refuting it.I can't say much because I don't fully understand darksamsh's argument.
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I don't think there is an argument left that refutes the final arguments of DT and the fact fiction layering. 4. the expression of layers of fiction except for interpreting it as a wall or ignoring the dream hierarchy. 4, if you ask me. the wall and the "no dream hierarchy". pretty weak arguments.
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- DontTalk was waiting for Shuradou to reply. Shura has gone through a good beating on this topic and seems to no longer care (or can't make refutations given he comes online daily but never responds).
- Quasi seems to not care enough to argue here but he agrees with this downgrade
- Dark said he could try posting here after his exams so idk how he's doing.
- Quasi seems to not care enough to argue here but he agrees with this downgrade
- Dark said he could try posting here after his exams so idk how he's doing.
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I mean, if the people in favour of the downgrades have lost interest I will expand on the explanation page and that's it, I guess.
Otherwise, I can continue waiting. As far as I am concerned there is no hurry, considering that I'm just proposing to maintain the status quo.
Otherwise, I can continue waiting. As far as I am concerned there is no hurry, considering that I'm just proposing to maintain the status quo.
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we should wait for darksmash and shurado to respond
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Or we can expect the external/non-VSB users like not_exactly to make their threads in the places where they normally frequent and thus wait for the "argument" (Copy/paste) from them here like what happened in the last few months? you know, the attempts to downgrade x works without actually read the work and understand it in the first place.
Still, I think that citations need to have a page number, volume, chapter and capture/photo (whether or not in physical form) to have reliable proof that it is the exact quote and not an invention or alteration of it to be more reliables and trustworthy (come on, this is not complicated at all, unless you want to hide things....there is no excuses.)
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Im sure he does'nt care,he even say the thread are bias or something
Same with AWLBA thread
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Shura was pinged multiple times throughout this page and he didn't respond to any of them.
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