Only below Anne and Pray in skill, here is a wall of text i have written in the past. Dry is the definitive fourth place of most skilled Knight in Knight Run
Not really sure how that compares to Mihawk, can I see his feats to compare the two? Mihawk has composite skill scaling in swordplay in OP, so needless to say he has plenty of feats and scaling.
Wave techniques negate everything that isn't precog or esp.
Sounds like nlf to me, his information Analysis wouldn't fall under a paranormal ability neither would his attack reflection, I'd argue air slashes wouldn't either.
This is Mihawk not Zoro. Dry has power nullification that prevents "paranormal abilities"
Oof.
how it works?
Mihawk has precog and esp. He's fine.
No idea.
How is it an NLF he can literally cancel out reality and physics warping abilities.
Every attack and block of his sends out waves in a large area that negate and cancel techniques.
The have a crazy range and AOE of a few to thousands of kilometers.
The brokenness of the characters that people put Mihawk against is astonishing
I mean he isnt really a broken character, but he is indeed a high tier character imo.
higher AP: is the only thing that matters against Dry here, Skill: I dont think he has any skill on Dry whatsoever, I.A: Not exactly useful in the fight he would know what Dry can do but it wont help him, Precog and ESP: Same deal and he can do anything with that ,assive range advantage), Attack Reflection: Gets Nullified. Mihawk would get wave spammed to death.
His attack reflection is done via skill, it's not a paranormal ability.
he sends out waves that nullify techniques, thats it.
Show me this attack reflection, I cant seem to remember it.
....the average person would not register as a basic soldier let alone a knight and Dry is a Master Knight that surpasses Cold Heroes that surpass Master Knights. A basic Knight get easily outskilled by some decent AGs and Dry destroys the top class AGs in droves. I dont remember many skills feats from Mihawk apart from beating pre-TS Zoro with a knife which was admittedly very impressive but pre-TS Zoro does not have many crazy skill feats of his own.
Attack Reflection: https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-databook-upgrades-a-good-amount.116014/#post-3742791
The first part of this doesn't really tell us much about skill, yeah cool they can outskill others who are skilled in their own rights, and Dry can destroy top class AG's. The issue being, is that we aren't shown outright feats of what they're capable of skill wise aside from statements and such, making it hard to analyze and measure the feats accordingly. Unlike Mihawk's where we have on screen feats that he scales Massively above.
Pre-TS Zoro has plenty of very impressive skill feats, most of his higher end skill feats are from East Blue while in a near dying state due to Mihawk's wound.
First off, I probably wouldn't use a thread like that as something legitimate or written in stone. Secondly, Dry scales below Pray by a significant amount, he can't utilize her techniques to even remotely the same level that she can, and could only adapt some of her techniques into his own via intense studying.
Yeah he scales below her a "significant" amount because Pray is ridiculously skilled. Her Pray style was literally made for her and Anne of course no one else can use it to that extent. However in general as a fighter he is not that far below them.
I address this above. It's not like the wiki is the source material. It is not even properly updated.
I did not even notice this was Mandala Dry, Mandala Dry wipes Mihawk with his own precognition by viewing probability and then substantiating that wish into reality, I don't know what Mihawk is meant to do about that. Even with his durability advantage and precog he would not be capable of dodging all of Dry's attacks that wipes chunks of planets. His reality warping would not allow Mihawk to land that single blow.
Where's the evidence that he's even remotely comparable to either one of them? He doesn't scale to their feats if he scales below them, that doesn't make any sense in the slightest, if he's below them then he isn't scaling to the same level of feats they are.
Citation for this?
Again, Citation for this would be pleasant since this is left incredibly vague as **** to be frank. Veiwing probability isn't automatically superior to viewing the future, probability isn't guaranteed, viewing the future is something that's written in stone.
Minor Reality Warping is irrelevant, he isn't Gremmy and going by the profile this dosent even seem to be combat applicable.
He wouldn't get hit by the full force, and said attack is 5x lower than Mihawk inherent durability which is outdone by Yoru's own Durability, an attack 5x weaker than your opponent that's also weakened the further it travels, and only a fraction of it actually hitting Mihawk.
Blatant NLF, this guy isn't Gremmy or Yhwach so let's not argue that a guy with "Minor reality warping" is automatically invincible.
For what? He can use wave techniques he is simply not as good as the creator of them Pray. He is one of 4 or 5 people who could use them.
What is vague about it, he can view multiple probabilities to see the future I am not saying it is automatically superior to viewing the future.
He isn't Gremmy, but that doesn't matter. How on earth is it not combat applicable based on the profile? He can manifest a wish based on the probability he sees that is how he defeated Fear iirc so it is very much combat applicable.
Not when you can change reality based on probability....and on top of that he can also see the future. I know saying NLF is a popular thing but at least have it make some sense.
The funny thing is I disagree with this since we do get a detailed explanation on it which is summarised decently on his page. Ignoring his ability since it is used off screen despite having a detailed explanation I don't think is worthwhile. Also there First Witch stated that he downscaled from people like Pray...which is what I said
You literally continue to contradict yourself with each comment, he isn't as good as them, I.E he doesn't scale. My Judo teacher taught me, that doesn't mean that I can now tango with him and scale to the type of throws he's capable of.
It's literally the definition of vague, "viewing multiple probabilities" is left incredibly vague. How many probabilities can he see? How many at a time? What's the probability rate of his Prediction? It's mechanics? Yeah, exactly.
Again, Citation would be nice and I'd really appreciate if you could start posting scans instead of empty blanket statements that give me nothing to work with. That's typically how debates work, not a game of he says she says.
No, it is an absolute NLF for you to say that someone with only "minor" Reality Warping is now capable of doing what higher end Reality Warping is capable of, it's Minor and not something infallible as you seem to be heavily insinuating. I'm not gonna say someone with Minor Fire Manipulation is gonna be able to outright vaporize people, it's Minor for a reason.
It's only brought up once and after that we're never given another explanation on how it works, and it inherently lacks feats to use. I'm sorry but I'm gonna go with what the expert of the verse has to say regarding the powers and abilities in the verse.
"Downscales quite a bit" which means that he's still drastically inferior to what Pray and Anne are capable of, he doesn't have their skills, grace or expertise.
I would if I wasn't on mobile about to sleep, and also can't be bothered to hunt them down. And no one but Eminiteable has brought scans to this debate and even then it was for something minor.
How have I ever contradicted myself. I maintained that he scaled above cold heroes but below Pray from the very start.
Literally no one has to really think about these things. He can see a bunch of probabilities and choose from them. I doubt his predictions are incorrect so asking about their probabilities is pointless. And knowing the mechanics don't mean anything.
Me stating that his ability to bring about a chosen reality is implying that it is infallible..ok mate
That depends entirely on what minor is meant to mean in that context.
That's fine I also regard First Witch as the expert on the verse. I just do not agree with not using it because imo the given explanation was in-depth enough for its use.
And I never said he did. If you were to actually read what I stated.
See I'm seeing a lot of inherent issues, I take great issues with it comes to scaling like "will surpass", that much is irrelevant to me due Dry not being Pray's equal as of yet. Also giving praise isn't necessarily a great skill feat, my judo teacher can praise me but again that doesn't mean we're on the same level. As for Fear, didn't Dry have access to the Malanda which is pretty hax from what Rocker is telling me? It wouldn't take much in the skill department to match someone whenever you have Reality Warping and probability based precog. As far as I'm concerned statements of "not taking much to surpass her." whenever his feats and fights say otherwise.
That's something that East Blue- Enies Lobby Zoro is capable of doing, he's capable of defending himself from attacks that far surpass his own speed, Kaku was FTE to base Zoro and could amp his speed even more with his Zoan amp.
Experience makes all the difference, Fear is much, much younger than Pray and hasn't the type of combat experience that Pray has gathered throughout the years. The fact that Pray is still much more experienced than Fear makes that statement null, she hasn't lived through what Pray has or gone through the type of battles she has, i think it's pretty incorrect to that that Fear >>>> Pray in skill whenever Pray is the more experienced of the two, by turn making her skill much more honed.
How good are they at the Mayer style? I doubt they've mastered it to the same level of Pray, making this one impressive but also fearless.
Zoro created his own unique fighting style that isn't found anywhere else in the verse, and has Mastery over 2 other forms of Swordsmanship, and can copy other unique fighting styles such as Fire-Fox Style, actually his usage was even better than the original users and is also noted to have a very, very high development rate. Zoro being the same person who Mihawk can dance around and yeet with a knife.
That doesn't tell me much about how effective it is or the type of martial arts that they use. Not every martial arts is automatically useful, look at Aikido and Tai Chi for example, if i could get some more information on the Fighting style that'd be rad, I'm sure it's impressive but that doesn't give me a lot to work with.
Zoro's did the same with his Santoryu style after the 2 year time skip, greatly improving upon it to the point where he's able to apply his previous durability negation Swordsmanship (Which is skill derivative and not just a hax, only those who have reached the absolute pinnacle of Swordsmanship are able to cut through virtually any substance as long as their blade understands their will.) to every strike while previously he could only apply this to 2 attacks. Zoro's East Blue usage of Santoryu is so deadly that it's much more difficult to register / react to than 6-8 arms all attacking you at once from every direction. A much weaker and less skilled Zoro’s Santoryu strikes as harder to evade and defend from Swordsmen who can attack you from 6-8 direction instantly.
Mihawk's case is quite similar in that becoming the world's greatest Swordsman in name and actuality is an extremely difficult feat to accomplish, and it's implied that he's held this title for years without anyone being able to give him a challenge.
Noted.
By how much? While Zoro doesn't have feats against multiple opponents who are stronger than himself (well actually yes, Kaido and Linlin are both stronger than him but he also had help.) he does very often find himself in situations where in 1 v 1 combat where he can't even damage no matter how hard he tried. This Zoro didn't have Prediction at the time but he overcame someone who's immune to slashing based attacks via sheer skill.
Zoro has feats of countering attacks that are point blank without the aid of Prediction. Such as cutting an extremely small explosive booger in half, he can even do this while blinded and being shot at point blank
Kaku was also able to become FTE to Zoro and Zoro still fought him just fine and this is just base Kaku, Kaku gets faster and stronger with his Zoam forms. Although this was also somewhat due to Zoro's Prediction.
That's actually pretty fun since Zoro has a verry similar feat in out predicting Kaku's while Kaku was using Paper-Art. Kaku saw Zoro incoming before he started to move and retaliated via using Paper-Art, this how Paper-Art works, allowing users to go limp and become borderline unpredictable like a blade of grass in a windy Strom. Zoro still managed to predict Kaku, even with Paper-Art. Also just to note Kaku is one of the best Assassins in the world, CP9 is composed of the best Assassins that the Government could find, and has some level of precog via Kenbunshoku which he's confirmed to have iirc.
There's a lot more I can post as well but also like I'm veerry lazy. I think we can both however agree that neither combatant here has enough of a skill advantage against one another to become untouchable.
How often does Dry spam them? That's not on the profiles so I'm not gonna argue against it.
