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They're both intangible.. That's how it phases through you and shocks your organs.If you're talking about IRL fire-magma, yeah i agree; OP just has different rules.
Dunno, how does a quake hit an phasing sword?
LOL, that's kind of true.Yeah we're forgetting devil fruits now operate on desire. Someone could've seen the og fire user and said "I wanna be better than him" and just wished for a magma fruit superior to fire.
Magu Magu uses amaterasu logic- burns even fire
Watch it be a monkey's paw situation where they wished for a thing and it turned out their desire wasn't what they had in mindWhat the hell was the guy who made Kinemon's fruit and the Jacket fruit smoking though??
Not trying to call you out here or anything. I'm genuinely wondering how this is any different from when I argued that Ace didn't scale to Akainu for the same reason (minus the elemental mechanics) and you countered that Magma Fist just bypassed Ace's durability. You can answer on my message wall (or just not at all) if this is derailing.
Downscales, but yes.You're trying to scale em above base Sanji and "below Haki Sanji" osws, who (base) scales to Hybrid Queen,
Comparable to, not superior IMO, but yeah, Queen is shown to be at least comparable to King on multiple occasions.who scales relative to, if not superior to, base King
Yes, who scales to Marco, who is comparable yet weaker to Linlin, who's equal to Kaidou
Well asides from him no longer being a Tobiroppo, he's the only one of them who actually has multiple feats to back it up.Drake was "accepted" weirdly on this site for not counting in the standards of the Tobiroppo, their statements of strength not applying to him and him not applying to the tier list
Yep.Apoo scales and he's an informant, he's not on their tiering system
Sorry if this is derailing but I just realized this, why would Jack be aware of Drake no longer being a member of the tobiroppo?Well asides from him no longer being a Tobiroppo, he's the only one of them who actually has multiple feats to back it up.
Sasaki even implied he was the strongest of the Tobiroppo when he said it was a "relief" that Drake wasn't going to try and take Queen's spot during the meeting of the Tobiroppo.
Isn't it one of those author statement things, like the Straw Hats saying that Oars losing an arm halved his power?Sorry if this is derailing but I just realized this, why would Jack be aware of Drake no longer being a member of the tobiroppo?
Oars attacks with two arms and the Straw Hats incapacitated one of his arms.Isn't it one of those author statement things, like the Straw Hats saying that Oars losing an arm halved his power?
Also sorry for derailing.
But, Shanks lost his and was said to still have practically the same power iirc.Isn't it one of those author statement things, like the Straw Hats saying that Oars losing an arm halved his power?
Also sorry for derailing.
I meant for our Bazooka scaling.Oars attacks with two arms and the Straw Hats incapacitated one of his arms.
They don't need insightful knowledge to know that Oars' offensive capabilities have been halved by losing one of his arms.
Isn't it one of those author statement things, like the Straw Hats saying that Oars losing an arm halved his power?
Also sorry for derailing.
Oars attacks with two arms and the Straw Hats incapacitated one of his arms.
They don't need insightful knowledge to know that Oars' offensive capabilities have been halved by losing one of his arms.
But, Shanks lost his and was said to still have practically the same power iirc.
Oda is weird like that.
We're not having this discussion againI meant for our Bazooka scaling.
Sorry to derail.We're not having this discussion again
Oh, I don't care, I just wanted to point that out.We're not having this discussion again
Well, we can always downscale starving Big Mom to baseline H6A and upgrade both Chopper and Jinbe to that value, alongside the Tobiroppo and whoever else, seems good enough IMO given the gap from OP characters to baseline H6A is more than 100x.Tony Tony Chopper
Tony Tony Chopper serves as the ship's doctor. He's a reindeer who was cast out of his herd for having a blue nose, later compounded by eating the Human-Human Fruit (Hito Hito no Mi) and being feared by the people of Drum Island as a monster. Although he initially mistrusted humans, after having...vsbattles.fandom.com
Chopper: Outlier
Jinbe; Consistency
Makes sense tbhWell, we can always downscale starving Big Mom to baseline H6A and upgrade both Chopper and Jinbe to that value, alongside the Tobiroppo and whoever else, seems good enough IMO given the gap from OP characters to baseline H6A is more than 100x.
noWell, we can always downscale starving Big Mom to baseline H6A and upgrade both Chopper and Jinbe to that value, alongside the Tobiroppo and whoever else, seems good enough IMO given the gap from OP characters to baseline H6A is more than 100x.
Ha ha ha ha
we're not allowed to backscale people all because they're unquantifiably weakerHa ha ha ha
Do you actually think it's a bad idea or you're just trying to avoid a bad outcome if something like that goes through?
In case you see any problems with that, I'd like to hear them.
Because he hurt Queen and fought him off-screen for 30 minutes.Technically Chopper is already H6A so..
What do you mean? I am pretty sure we can backscale characters whenever we know they became considerably weaker, it being quantifiable or not doesn't mean anything.we're not allowed to backscale people all because they're unquantifiably weaker
Is this the Pre-MF WB version?Shiki < Gura Gura < Magu Magu < Oldbeard < Base Kaido
What the hell was the guy who made Kinemon's fruit and the Jacket fruit smoking though??
Yeah, before all these heart attacks and what not, the one who clashed with Shanks to be more specific.Is this the Pre-MF WB version?
Backscaling is used when someone is weaker but not by a large amountWhat do you mean? I am pretty sure we can backscale characters whenever we know they became considerably weaker, it being quantifiable or not doesn't mean anything.
For example, if we could actually quantify how weak Big Mom became, lets say she was stated to be 10x weaker, we wouldn't need to backscale anyone, we'd be scaling them to 1/10 whatever rating normal Big Mom scales to.
Backscaling comes into play exactly in the moments we know someone is weaker (or was considerably weakened) but we don't have a concrete value.
Guernica and Kinemon approve of this.Backscaling is used when someone is weaker but not by a large amount
If Kaidou comes and smacks a random civilian, would we backscale the civilian to High 6-A because they survived?
Seems like that was added without a CRT, shouldn't be there.Kinemon
Guernica survived Kazenbo and Apoo's Boom.Guernica and Kinemon approve of this.
Yeah, now that I think about it, he only survived that because of Law having cut him on Punk Hazard and not putting him back the right way. I'll remove it.Seems like that was added without a CRT, shouldn't be there.
It should never be there, it was practically just a plot moment.Seems like that was added without a CRT, shouldn't be there.
You're saying this like those compare to a furious Super Hybrid Kaidou slamming down an ACoC and Armament infused Kanabo on your head.Guernica survived Kazenbo and Apoo's Boom.
What I meant is that it's not the only High 6-A durability feat Guernica has.You're saying this like those compare to a furious Super Hybrid Kaidou slamming down an ACoC and Armament infused Kanabo on your head.
I know, but it doesn't make sense if you compare the feats.What I meant is that it's not the only High 6-A durability feat Guernica has.
Him surviving Kaido's attack without even defending himself is just a lot of icing on that cake.
No, he was bleeding from the mask after his fight with Drake.I know, but it doesn't make sense if you compare the feats.
Well sir, I'm afraid this is what we call ODGAFAS.He shouldn't even be able to stay conscious after an attack that's far above that one.
It's called Goda can't kill off characters for shit.No, he was bleeding from the mask after his fight with Drake.
And he still took a point-blank Boom better than Post-Udon Luffy did and got up after like 1 minute.
Well sir, I'm afraid this is what we call ODGAFAS.
Oda Don't Give A **** About Scaling.
So stabilized WB with Hao Naginata+DF Boost<BASE Kaido?? The Red Hair gang stopped Kaido & King from reaching MF & Shanks is WB's Haki equal. The whole "Yonko being rivals" is bs if these 2 can't even compete with non-amped versions of Kaido & BM with their current scaling.Yeah, before all these heart attacks and what not, the one who clashed with Shanks to be more specific.
Base Kaido with Hao more than likely. Yonko seem to always use Hao coating vs each other, it's just pre-ts we probably weren't gonna see it for obvious reasons.BASE Kaido??
Still base hao Kaido can overpower WB(with everything in his arsenal) or Shanks with 0 DF amps despite them being called his rivals just like BM!?Base Kaido with Hao more than likely. Yonko seem to always use Hao coating vs each other, it's just pre-ts we probably weren't gonna see it for obvious reasons.
That same base Kaido was also shown fighting Big Mom with Napoleon on her, and comparable to two-homies Big Mom as well iirc
Yeah, "Base" Kaido includes his Kanabo and Haoshoku coating.Still base hao Kaido can overpower WB(with everything in his arsenal) or Shanks with 0 DF amps despite them being called his rivals just like BM?
Didn't she like use like only Napoleon against him with Hassaika on-screen?
besides the oden stuff what's the support for Base Kaidou being above Oldbeard?Yeah, "Base" Kaido includes his Kanabo and Haoshoku coating.
And having a ">" doesn't mean Kaido is a gigantic amount over them. They're a 9.5, he's a 9.6. It's just that in sheer battle power he's stronger. They're still all relatively in the same range and can combat each other.
While we're at it, I think this line needs to go from Kaidou's profile:besides the oden stuff what's the support for Base Kaidou being above Oldbeard?
He was stated to be one of the few people that can stop Blackbeard[3], implying he would be able to clash with the Gura Gura no Mi, the strongest Paramecia Devil Fruit, making it stronger than Shiki's Fuwa Fuwa no Mi