Alabasta 7-C Scaling Downgrade

[Apollonir.Scale]

Because of this calculation, we're assuming Pell's durability is 7-C. Then we scale Robin, who defeated Pell, and those scaled to him to this level. I found a significant error here.

The Pell form that Robin damages is not the Zoan form. It only prevents him from flapping his wings and then deals damage to Pell when he reverts to human form. But Pell's 7-C durability feat is in Zoan form, not human form.

Secondly, a significant point I found: Pell seems to have two Zoan transformations. If my eyes aren't deceiving me, his form fighting Robin is a slightly more humanoid Falcon. I say this because he has arms. But his form in the flashback where he tanks the blast and carries Vivi on his back doesn't have arms. So, just like Kaido can fully transform into a Dragon, Pell can fully transform into a Falcon. Therefore, Pell, whose movements were restricted by Robin, might not have 7-C durability, because his explosion-tanking form was fully transformed.

Characters affected by this situation:

Robin (Alabasta)
Yama
Luffy (Alabasta)
Crocodile (Alabasta)
Zoro (Alabasta)
Daz Bone (Alabasta)
Nami (Alabasta)
Zala
Sanji (Alabasta)
Bon Clay

If I'm not missing anything, these will fall into 8-A.

 

[SlendVeny]

I don't think anyone here is unaware that Zoan users have a Full Zoan form and a Hybrid form

 

[Stefano4444]

Disagree with the downgrade.

The Pell form that Robin damages is not the Zoan form. It only prevents him from flapping his wings and then deals damage to Pell when he reverts to human form. But Pell's 7-C durability feat is in Zoan form, not human form.

Robin still did force him into return back to his Human Form, as well as be able to restrain him from unleashing his sword.

Beside that in the context of the fight it was made pretty clear that Nico Robin was not view him as a serious threat even in his Zoan Form, which its proven further see how easily she could defeat him, potraying her as the clear superior fighter him in general.

Secondly, a significant point I found: Pell seems to have two Zoan transformations. If my eyes aren't deceiving me, his form fighting Robin is a slightly more humanoid Falcon. I say this because he has arms. But his form in the flashback where he tanks the blast and carries Vivi on his back doesn't have arms. So, just like Kaido can fully transform into a Dragon, Pell can fully transform into a Falcon. Therefore, Pell, whose movements were restricted by Robin, might not have 7-C durability, because his explosion-tanking form was fully transformed.

I don't see logical reason to assume that his Zoan Form would be so drastically more durable than his Hybrid Form, especially when his Devil Fruit isn't like an ancient Zoan where are famous for their toughness.

In general Full Zoan Forms are usally potrayed as relative to their Hybrid Form for the most part, the only true difference its that Hybrid Form grant a humanoid form that in most cases are more fit to combat (especially for who use weapons), but it doesn't necessarely suggest any drastic difference in physical strength and durability.

Characters affected by this situation:

Even without that scaling Crocodile still easily defeat Chaka in his Zoan Form, who should be comparable to Pell.

 

[KingTempest]

Hybrid forms are literally a mix between the pros of both base and zoan. In the entirety of the series there has never been someone less durable than their zoan in their hybrid form. It literally uses the physiology of the zoan.

Also

We plan on changing this, like there are sandboxes in play, so can we please do this behind the scenes instead of you downgrading like 8+ characters randomly while work is being done?

 

[KingTempest]

Permission @Apollonir.Scale? I'll work on this scaling chain in a different thread

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Robin still did force him into return back to his Human Form, as well as be able to restrain him from unleashing his sword.

Beside that in the context of the fight it was made pretty clear that Nico Robin was not view him as a serious threat even in his Zoan Form, which its proven further see how easily she could defeat him, potraying her as the clear superior fighter him in general.

Just because Robin believes he's much stronger than Pell doesn't mean he needs to be strong enough to surpass Pell's durability in terms of AP. Robin beat him with speed, hax, and LS. Also, why are we measuring Pell's AP based on his durability? As far as I know, durability is measured based on physical AP, but AP isn't always measured based on durability. Pell can have an 8-A AP but 7-C durability. For example, Marineford Crocodile's durability is listed to be higher than his AP.

Even without that scaling Crocodile still easily defeat Chaka in his Zoan Form, who should be comparable to Pell.

Why do we consider Chaka and Pell to be relatively strong? It's already been stated that Pell is the strongest Alabasta fighter.

Moreover, being relatively strong with someone doesn't mean you need to have enough AP to surpass their durability. It's still possible to defeat someone you're relatively strong against using speed, LS, or Hax.

Hybrid forms are literally a mix between the pros of both base and zoan. In the entirety of the series there has never been someone less durable than their zoan in their hybrid form. It literally uses the physiology of the zoan.

Okay, but Robin didn't even damage the Hybrid form. He just prevented it from flapping its wings, and Pell fell to the ground. When Pell transformed into human form, Robin broke its neck. Also, what statement or feat exactly makes us consider human form and Zoan form relative? As far as I know, there was a statement related to Kaido that said Full Zoan < Hybrid Zoan. But that might be specific to Kaido. Even if we were to say that about all Zoan forms, it would only be a relativity for Zoan and Hybrid Zoan.

Also, as far as I remember, Lucci or Kaku stated that Zoan transformations greatly increased power. So there's no reason to consider human form Pell and Zoan/Hybrid Zoan relative.

Permission @Apollonir.Scale? I'll work on this scaling chain in a different thread

If you're going to scale them with something different than Pell's scaling, that's fine, but if it's still a scaling that starts with "Robin dealt damage to Pell," then I'm not willing to let CRT be disabled. And if you're going to disable it, leave it on for a day or two, just in case someone writes something about it.

 

[KingTempest]

If you're going to scale them with something different than Pell's scaling, that's fine

Different from Robin's scaling to Pell*

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Different from Robin's scaling to Pell*

Okay then, you can close this in 1-2 days.

 

[MattaGrimm]

Hybrid forms are literally a mix between the pros of both base and zoan. In the entirety of the series there has never been someone less durable than their zoan in their hybrid form. It literally uses the physiology of the zoan.

Also

We plan on changing this, like there are sandboxes in play, so can we please do this behind the scenes instead of you downgrading like 8+ characters randomly while work is being done?

Is it against the rules to make a crt about this and it had to be done in a sandbox?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

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