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I looked, nothing addressed what I said.
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HUGE One Piece Upgrades
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The dirt thing isn't a relevent counter argument. If Sanji was only covered in dirt, and he was hurt by Page One, then Page One's ap would scale above X-Drake, and that would make him H6A.
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Good point ngl
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And Sanji still took no damage from Zoan Drake's hit, unless you want to make Drake's AP scale above his durability?
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So what's the concensus here? Is it get rejected?
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Would it be a crime to make it scale above his durability?
We've got glass cannons like Nami who has Zeus in her arsenal.
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No, but we can't just make his dura scale above his AP because Sanji tanked his hit. There has to be more proof and a good reason.
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This is Sanji prior to the Drake fight and prior to Onigashima. For the same reason we don't scale Page One's AP & Dura for taking and overpowering hits from Sanji to later versions of him.
I looked through the rest of your points in the OP & later today I'll make a full post going over them.
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Nami is a completely different case, as she is more of a "magician" so she is someone whose main attacks don't have any relation with her body, but for physical fighters they'd get hurt from any attack they use if their AP was higher than their dura.
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Base Black Maria is not comparable to Hybrid Queen in any way shape or form
Please don't go down this dumbass path in trying to make everyone High 6-A
Please don't go down this dumbass path in trying to make everyone High 6-A
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I find that slightly hypocritical due to who it's coming from, but I actually agree in this context.
Besides, wasn't that a weaker version of Sanji or am I tripping?
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DaMonkeMan
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Not gonna go into detail I don't wanna start an unnecessary flame war with Tempest.
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He's still a wee salty that Lucci got High 6-A cause he fought Luffy and clashed with him becuase Luffy put him out like a light in a few hits
People are not hard to knock out contrary to popular belief
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It's more than that but pop off I guess.
Also I don't even care about the Lucci stuff anymore, his fans turned to dust after he got clapped by Stussy's lip stick.
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The feat comes from Hybrid Maria.
And as i said above, this wouldn't make her scale above Queen at all.
Sanji without buso < Maria < Sanji with buso ~ Hybrid Queen
Why is it a dumbass path? This makes no sense.
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The physical side of it is all human
I said she shouldn’t be comparable
No
Cause you guys are trying to make an endless backscaling chain off of the god tiers
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But doesn't it still amp her strength and what not? That's kind of the nature of Zoans iirc.
Ain't no way bro said this
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DaMonkeMan
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That doesn't mean she doesn't get stronger from it though..
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It does, her upper body no longer transforms due to said drugs so there's no reason to assume that part of her would get the stat amp from being transformed.
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Hm, okay.
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By transforming into their animal. When her fruit specifically doesn't transform her top half into an animal, then she isn't stronger where her body remains the same
The OP is trying to backscale the Tobiroppo from a value that stems from Kaidou.Ain't no way bro said this
I hope yall hear that
Yall are pretty much saying the Tobiroppo are in the same breath as Kaidou
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this could easily be just cosmetic
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It's not.
DaMonkeMan
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It's okay Eminiteable answered me, I take back what I said.
Don't ever call people crazy for takes like that when you've said some ridiculous stuff your self.
Hell, even beyond the Lucci statement, there's still others like you saying Armament doesn't amp Durability.
I don't wanna embarrass you but you're a hypocrite dude.
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The context used here is that black maria didnt like how her spider form looked, so she tweaked how it looks, nothing about the strength
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And that strength comes from being transformed which she tweaked to remain the same as in base.
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no context given suggests that her strength was affected
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And there doesn't need to be, as I've already said their stat amp comes from transforming themselves and her upper half isn't transformed, so her upper half wouldn't be any stronger than it was in her base.
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I mean, Luffy gets amped by G2 but it doesn't really give him a huge difference in appearance.
Maybe Black Maria is the same.
Maybe Black Maria is the same.
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no correlation whatsoever.
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shes still transformed, she just made it so her upper half still looks like a human
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No, her upperhalf just isn't transformed that's why she has two heads in her hybrid form; the top half is her human half and the bottom is the Zoan.
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You see, that's my problem with how we are dismembering Hybrid forms, why would she even use her hybrid form to punch someone if it doesn't increase her strength?
Anyway, i don't like it but this is a fair point, but base Maria has no anti feats afaik, so meh.
Why shouldn't she? Because of Jack's statement?
She literally damaged a H6A character, it's literally right there.
Sorry, what exactly is wrong with the scaling chain i gave you?
Which is better than the current gap which has a 44,000x gap from the Tobiroppo to Jack
Kaido himself scales above the original value iirc, I am pretty sure we scale things like:
Shiki < Gura Gura < Magu Magu < Oldbeard < Base Kaido
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Wtf are you saying, Mary Kate? No one is saying Black Maria can fight on par with Kaido and punch him to the ground like what Kid did to him.
Scaling to H6A is completely different from "being in the same breath as Kaidou"
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Still can't believe this is how we do things currently tbh
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its annoying how much vs debating for a lot of verses rely on long scaling chains
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CRT! CRT! CRT! CRT! CRT!
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