High godly regen and True godly regen should be removed

[JackJoyce]

High-Godly should be removed yes. How does a 4-B character regenerating from the destruction of an entire timeline any different from a 2-A regenerating from the destruction of the multiverse?

What is there to suggest UKG regen from Conceptual erasure is inferior to High-Godly?

True-Godly should stay however. It's an important distinction for 1-A stuffs

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I think a non-1A being have True Godly is a bit contradictory to their tier.. like a low 2-C regenerating after getting erased by a 1A being..

If a true High 1A being can erase other high 1A beings, and he used a "full powered erasure" on a low 2-C. that low 2-C being regenerates... That would mean the low 2-C being is not bound by the confines of "dimensions." When the character is clearly bound by other concepts that require him to be bound by the confines of dimensions.... That is my issue with True Godly regen.. if im understanding things correctly....

 

[Andytrenom]

I'll just try to simplify things here for my sake

Regenerationn in the simplest words is about gaining back a part of you that was destroyed from the rest of you that still exists. Even if you are erased from existence in the conventional manner, (mind body and soul) then you could still exist in some other form as memory, part of history, part of a system where the void after nonexistence is more like a place things go to and there could be mechanisms related to you that still remakes your body

High godly then I guess would be not just destruction of mind body and soul but destruction of things that allow you to exist in the universe in any capacity, which I believe type 2 conceptual erasure would qualify for.

 

[Amexim]

I mean, basing it around souls, then concepts, then beyond concepts, then... Just does seems simpler. And avoids Dimensional shenanigans that don't really matter regardless because anyone with Low Godly and the right kind of "transcendental" existence can regen out of a dimension.

 

[PaChi2]

Regenerationn levels:

>Up to High: levels of physical destruction.

>Low godly: complete physical destruction.

>Mid-G: existential (body, mind, soul) erasure

>High-G: character but along your setting.

True-G: same but 1-A.

All the levels up to Mid-G are of a higher destruction of the character. High-G currently simply goes out of its way to need the destruction of the multiverse (this is AP).

Shouldnt the logical next step after Mid-G be: Destruction of body, soul, mind + something else that affects only the character? Because according to the current definitions my boy Goku could destroy mid-godly regenerators on a 3D level thanks to "4D AP" and universal destruction.

 

[Amexim]

Yeah,

Body.

Body mind and soul

Body mind, soul and your house

Seems weird.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Because it's a much higher scale of Regenerationn; it's useful to know the scale, especially when there are non 1-A characters with such a scale of Regenerationn, such as TES characters.

Not sure if this was specifically responding to my point, but it's not like people can't just say who / what they regenerated from, as well they should be in the regenerations justification.

It's not like we give someone who was erased by a 12D being a new type of Regenerationn just because it was a higher scale.

 

[JackJoyce]

Actually I think True-Godly should be reserved for characters who can regenerate from dimensionless space. Not those who can regen from 1-A attacks

 

[Promestein]

1-A Regenerationn is different from 12D Regenerationn or any other dimensioned scale of Regenerationn, and it doesn't necessitate the destruction of anything beyond yourself. Just yourself, on a 1-A scale.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

That's because Zamasu was being targeted by a tier 2.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Like I said, I'm fine with True-Godly because, as said, it is at least useful for denoting smurfs smurfs be damned, though.

High-Godly is arbitrary and worthless as it stands.

 

[Konaguna]

The way things are now is fine

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Did you just ignore this entire thread?

 

[PaChi2]

The way things are now is fine

The way things are now you have people legitmately saying like in here that busting more universes in a 2-B fight will stop the other from regenerating.

Like, is there any actual difference between destroying 100 universes and 10000000 when you are a 2-B mid-godly regenerator?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

shitpost responses are shitpost responses fellas

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

1-A Regenerationn is different from 12D Regenerationn or any other dimensioned scale of Regenerationn, and it doesn't necessitate the destruction of anything beyond yourself. Just yourself, on a 1-A scale.

What if you only have a dimensional self (like most things)?

 

[Antvasima]

I would still feel much more comfortable if we received input from DarkLK, Azathoth, and Sera before we do anything drastic. They understand these concepts better than I do. Unfortunately, they are likely all too busy IRL.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

If the current standards for High Godly don't work, then perhaps something like being erased as if you never existed or being erased on a conceptual level can sub in and take the place. At least with these it would be higher standards of yourself being destroyed instead of the enviroment

 

[AKM sama]

I'm fine with HighG staying as is due to Ultima and DT's reasons.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, Ultima and DonTalk both make sense here.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I would still feel much more comfortable if we received input from DarkLK, Azathoth, and Sera before we do anything drastic. They understand these concepts better than I do. Unfortunately, they are likely all too busy IRL.

Do you have an opinion, though?

 

[Antvasima]

Only what I posted earlier.

Promestein has a good point though.

 

[JackJoyce]

How does a 4-B character regenerating from the destruction of an entire timeline any different from a 2-A regenerating from the destruction of the multiverse?

 

[Overlord775]

I agree with the revisions

if you can survive getting completly erased the universe going the same fate as you doesn't really matter, as it won't make you more erased,

but you will not be able to do stuff because of the lack of space-time tho

 

[Antvasima]

However, this is the sort of policy-changing thread that should preferably be discussed in the staff forum in order to get anything done and keep it somewhat manageable.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

unless you can survive in a void which is essentially all that High-Godly is

 

[AKM sama]

Ultima's and DT's point about not being able to return back because there's no existence to return to, also makes sense though.

 

[Overlord775]

Why would there not being existance matter ?

That doesn't make someone more erased

 

[Antvasima]

For what it is worth, I also agree with DontTalkDT and Ultima in that regard.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Ultima's and DT's point about not being able to return back because there's no existence to return to, also makes sense though.

Everyone doesn't disagree with this, just that we classify that as a higher form of Regenerationn rather than just the ability to survive within a void.

 

[AKM sama]

Why would there not being existance matter ?
That doesn't make someone more erased

That affects coming back after being erased, which makes it different from MidG.

 

[AKM sama]

Everyone doesn't disagree with this, just that we classify that as a higher form of Regenerationn rather than just the ability to survive within a void.

When a character regenerates, he does it in a fixed point/coordinate in space-time where he returns back. Imo surviving within a void isn't the same thing as returning back to a non-existing place after regenerating.

 

[Overlord775]

"When a character regenerates, he does it in a fixed point/coordinate in space-time where he returns back. "

that doesn't apply to the majority of mid-godly regenerators

most simply just pop back in to existance

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Not neccesarily. Where you regenerate/are capable of regenerating of doesn't actually make your power more powerful. This is merely a mindset made here by the existence of High-Godly.

Basically people think it's better because we told them it was for ages when by all rights where you regenerate shouldn't matter as opposed to what you actually regenerate from. High-Godly is the only one that claims the actual damage to you is irrelevant when going to a higher form of regen. Every other type expands upon more grievous harm of self regenerated from.

 

[PaChi2]

I agree with Mr. Bambu.

Lacking the ability to regenerate after everything is destroyed is more a limitation to the character's existence (lacks immortality or the ability to exist in such a place) than their Regenerationn because they had already been erased.

Even then, assuming High-Godly should stay like we currently have it, please I need people to enlighten me about the difference in having Khorne exist with Immortality reliant on Violence + Mid godly regen vs a High godly regenerator, because it makes it look like Khorne cant come back from a multiversal nuke.

Im going to tell you that:

1) My boy Khorne wont die from the multiversal nuke and has a known mechanism for this.

2) Khorne has Mid-G regen that allows him to come back.

High-godly regenerators as we have them have exactly the same properties except for the mechanism, which is unknown in their case. But it isnt an upgrade for their Regenerationn, just another ability.

 

[Executor_N0]

Indeed, if the concept is even based on the idea that "there is no space-time coordinates to regenerate", what about the characters who regenerate without having the "universe" destroyed, but do so in the non-existential void of their respective universes?

They are also regenerating in nothingness, but they need not have been destroyed together with their universes because they already regenerate in a void.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

^

High-Godly is just Mid-Godly and existing in a void.

Like I said, I can see the sense in True-Godly being beyond-dimensional damage regen. I don't really care if it stays or goes, it has uses. High-Godly just doesn't make sense as a premise.

 

[AKM sama]

I think you have a point but I'd like more opinions. Has anyone messaged DarkLK, Sera, Azathoth and Matthew to comment here?

 

[JackJoyce]

When a character regenerates, he does it in a fixed point/coordinate in space-time where he returns back. Imo surviving within a void isn't the same thing as returning back to a non-existing place after regenerating.

That's something all Non existent characters can do

 

[Andytrenom]

Donttalk's explanation about characters who regenerate from having their fiction erased being more impressive than characters who just regenerate from regular EE does sound convincing, but, I'm not sure if that takes care of the issues completely

The multiverse a character lives in normally can't be equated to a fiction someone is part of. It would usually just be a collection of timespace continuums and maybe things like an afterlife or other metaphysical locations but unless explicitly noted you shouldn't really assume the multiverse has the nature of a fictional narrative in-universe or that the destruction of the multiverse would include the destruction of things like concepts as well.

At minimum I don't think "destruction of reality to the characters dimensional level" should be what the qualification of high-godly is if the destruction of the reality isn't shown to be anything more than the destruction of tine-space and high godly is supposed to surpass the capability to regenerate from the destruction of even concepts.