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High godly regen and True godly regen should be removed

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So if High and True Godly are removed justifications will be needed for regen especially Mid-Godly since it will range massively in terms of how good it is.

Also a non 1-A having True Godly regen is basically just having a Smurf Regen/Immortality.
 
I don't think it's good to clump such immensely differing levels of power under a single name, it will only seed confusion.
 
Shouldn't High Godly be phrased something like "Being able to regenerate even after the "dimensions that make up your existence" has been destroyed/erasured" ?????


True godly regen be something like: Regenerate even after the entirety of your existence and everything that makes up your existence is gone??????

Idk... I do agree that High Godly needs a rephrasing, or needs to go though.
 
if i remember correctly, the Regenerationn page was something that has undergone a lot of revisions since its creation.
 
If you delete true godly and high godly mid-godly will become so wildly varied in terms of strength that we will have to make new Regenerationn categories anyway.

If you had to change anything rewording them would be much better than outright deleting them although in my opinion they are fine as is
 
My only issue with this is the discrepancy this will cause between people with Mid-Godly and then youll have to be careful judging weather or not Mid-Godly regen neg would work.
 
Not sure if this debate has been resolved or not, but here'll lie my two cents, so to speak.


While the underlying means by which the Erasure of Existence of one or the Conceptual Destruction of one's existence might be different depending upon the mechanics of a verse, at the end of the day, it's ultimately filed under the greater category of "Existence Erasure" and "Conceptual Destruction of this Person on the Conceptual Basis".


I assume your argument is ultimately that, since the being is effectively regenerating from nothing, then it should count as something different entirely correct? Well to that i say...

inhales


Due to our current ultimate inability to determine the greater laws of our nonfictional reality, we can't really have a "frame of reference" for things such as "regenerating from literal conceptual destruction" or such same things, even if we DID know, such is ultimately irrelevant as we are using the laws of the FICTION from which the character and their subsequent abilities ORIGINATE from, things of which ultimately have greater conceptual classifications as "regenerating from Conceptual or Existence Destruction" or "Mid to High Godly".


To GREATLY tldr this shit in a manner that will probably knaw upon the genetalial meatsack... Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it SHOULD NOT be a thing
 
I'm with Paul on this. Trying to get rid of High or True godly won't really solve much as Mid Godly will essentially get so many different levels that you might as well keep the higher tiers, but rewording the descriptions for High and True Godly wouldn't be a bad idea imo.
 
I think Ultima Reality makes the most sense here.
 
Maybe we could restrict Mid-Godly to one definition of "Existence" or "Reality", like a timeline or a set of timelines. And High-Godly to a deeper kind of it.
 
i think its less about the world and more abou tthe dimesional value that makes up a character isn't it?

the definetion of high godly regen is just confusing to me imo even after all the descriptions i read..... im not sure about anyone else.. but im still pretty new to the wiki...
 
Yeah I definitely think redefining High-Godly is a better choice, getting rid of True-Godly isn't to bad I just think getting rid of both would cause a lot of issues.
 
Wouldn't that be inferior to what Mid already is at though? Mid doesn't seem to be reliant on any of those.

Also those aren't exactly layers that each verse really has, or considers the same.
 
Wokistan said:
Wouldn't that be inferior to what Mid already is at though? Mid doesn't seem to be reliant on any of those.
Also those aren't exactly layers that each verse really has, or considers the same.
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some character have mid godly regen because they rely on a concept... Such as embodying hope, afterlife, war/discord/chaos, darkness, and such..
 
Pretty sure the reliant on concepts stuff is actually Immortality type 8. May function similarly, but it's not quite the same thing.
 
Antoniofer said:
Perhaps we change High-Godly to being capable to regen at any existential level (conceptual, metaphysical, temporal, principal, spiritual, etc.). At the end, True-Godly being exclusive to 1-A makes any previous level irrelevant as one transcend it.
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I know this isnt the point but True-Godly isn't exclusive to 1-As, it just needs to involve 1-As.
 
Wokistan said:
Pretty sure the reliant on concepts stuff is actually Immortality type 8. May function similarly, but it's not quite the same thing.
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Ah.. i didn't know that.. I just know some saint seiya characters work that way. They will continue to come back as long a concept exist even after they been erased.
 
Ah.. i didn't know that.. I just know some saint seiya characters work that way. They will continue to come back as long a concept exist even after they been erased.

Yeah thats Abstract Existence Type 2 and Immortality Type 8.
 
Okay, so lets refocus. Has it been agreed upon that High and True Godly should be altered in some way?

Don't need specific suggestions quite yet, just wanting to confirm that a change is desired.
 
Yes it seems almost everyone agrees that they should be changed in some way (even if that means removal).
 
Ultimat reality [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#8 ] I think he agrees something needs to change but im un sure...

The Real Cal Howard appears to be aganist getting rid of High Godly, but neutral towards True Godly [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#30 ]

Mr. Bambu agrees to a change, but neutral on True Godly. [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#33 ]

Monarch Laciel is neutral on High Godly, but he believes true godly should be removed. [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#35 ]

Antoniofer agrees that something needs to be changed, or done..??? [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#41 ]

TheGlassMan12 well he already said it before i can post this lol..
[ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#95 ]

DarkDragonmedeus thinks ultimat reality makes sense. [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#97 ]
 
I think a lot of the uncertainty was because pachi phraded it as a straight removal and didn't really propose some sort of alternative. I will be working under the assumption that change is wanted in some form.

Now would be the time for suggestions on redefinition.Please refrain from debating them for the time being. Things will go more smoothly if we can lay all our options out in a controlled manner and then go through them at an appropriate time. Just suggestions for redefinitions right now, may delete comments not adhering to this.
 
Regenerating outside of the "place" that your existence is bound too seems to be different from never being bound to a place in the first place.

One is making it so your whole reality was never or is no longer real, and you coming back from being destroyed by that method, and the other is coming back from your body not existing because you can exist outside of the place you need to exist in...?

It's a semantics game it seems. What's the problem with there even being an overlap? At certain points, some powers turn into other powers all the time, like moving at immeasurable or infinite (I think one of the two) speeds kind of gives you time stop resistance because time means nothing to you, or am I mistaken?
 
A personal degree of separation I would propose to cordon off High from Mid is that the Erasure is retroactive in nature, causing the victim to have never existed in tje first place.

I propose this for a few reasons. Firstly, "standard" Erasure already erases a target's dimensions along physical axes, so throwing in the extra temporal one for the power to work on would make sense to me as a good point to cut off basic mid. Some people can regress to a prior state giving them Regen, right? So it would be more impressive to regress even when said prior state is removed, thus introducting yourself out of a truer ├▒othingness.

Another reason I feel this is good is because it includes higher end conceptual manipulation, which is a power well known as important but it also doesn't pigeonhole high godly strictly to such a qualification. Other ways or retroactive Erasure exist, after all, and i feel that stuff like "nonexistence Erasure" is too verse specific.

Anyways other ideas appreciated too.
 
Before continuing... is this something that should be moved to staff only...? i don't want anyone getting into trouble..
 
I'd rather not shut out the blues earlier than I need to, which is why I:m asking for this to proceed in an orderly manner so you guys can keep contributing. It'll probably go to that for a "final evaluation" but we aren't there yet.
 
I was thinking that;

Regenerating from being destroyed by not having a place/thing (as in this tier could encompass concepts too) to regenerate from on any level

is different from

Never needing to have a place/thing in the first place

And

Being beyond places and things on an "existential" level. I guess being on a "dimension higher than dimensions"? Or "separate from dimensions" because you can be 3D and not need to be in a reality in the first place but your dimensionality loses definition the moment you begin to "exist outside of existence".

Think of regenerating from having your brain and heart destroyed and regenerating even from that maybe being different from never needing your heart and brain to regenerate and stay alive in the first place. While they are effectively similar, the difference is one is affected by losing their brain and heart, while the other isn't.

So, I guess what can be said is, one of them is bound to dimensions, "a place", or their heart and brain to some extent, despite being able to force themselves to be beyond that need or find themselves a way to regenerate beyond that with whatever level of effort or lack of effort exerted to do so.

While the other never needed a heart, dimension, or "a place" in the first place, so you never really harmed them by destroying it?
 
So how would you define your ideal high/true godly?
 
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