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High godly regen and True godly regen should be removed
- Thread starter PaChi2
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Aight, instead of denying it, imma ask why simply gettin erased is harder to come back from than getting erased along with all yo history and complete existence of your verse. I just want a simple explanation okay
Please no bullsht and just get to the point in a few sentences thank you
Please no bullsht and just get to the point in a few sentences thank you
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You can turn it off... And I am not the one faulting otgers here. I do typos too, I just refrain from insulting.
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It isn't. You are completely missing the point here tough.Konaguna said:
Again, Monika can erase people from the past. She ain't bypassing Mid-Godly regardless.
Being able to regenerate after nothing is left of you is mid-godly. Weather you were erased retroactively shouldn't matter at that level of Regenerationn, making neither harder than the other.
Which is the point. High-godly isn't harder on regen than mid-godly in some cases used now.
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Who would win:
>A massive revision which would importantly affect many profiles in the wiki.
>One {COMMAND} boi
>A massive revision which would importantly affect many profiles in the wiki.
>One {COMMAND} boi
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@Kona
Most mid-godly regens aren't reliant on reality still being around
Most mid-godly regens aren't reliant on reality still being around
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I would also like to point out something:
Being erased from existence alongside your reality, then regenerating in the void of said reality is considered High-Godly.
Being erased from existence alongside your reality, then regenerating in an alternate reality is considered Mid-Godly.
Apparently, the reason this is the case is because in the former case, you are regenerating where there is no "existence" to regenerate in, while the latter case has you regenerating in some other existence.
To be frank, High-Godly as it stands is just Mid-Godly plus the ability to survive in a void.
Being erased from existence alongside your reality, then regenerating in the void of said reality is considered High-Godly.
Being erased from existence alongside your reality, then regenerating in an alternate reality is considered Mid-Godly.
Apparently, the reason this is the case is because in the former case, you are regenerating where there is no "existence" to regenerate in, while the latter case has you regenerating in some other existence.
To be frank, High-Godly as it stands is just Mid-Godly plus the ability to survive in a void.
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A character that has nothing to regenerate from is regenerating from nothing.Konaguna said:
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Yes, but without nothing (let's say this nothing gets removed via some kind of non existence manip) then becomes, ughhh nothing^2 meaning the nothing no longer exists and mid Godly can't happen.
I hope y'all can somewhat understand what I'm trying to say. The nothing in the verse no longer "is" or how should I put it ƒÿ¡
I hope y'all can somewhat understand what I'm trying to say. The nothing in the verse no longer "is" or how should I put it ƒÿ¡
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So, you mean they destroy nothing and what's left is . . . nothing?
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From what im reading..
Mid Godly as it appears to be Mind, body, and soul is erased then they regen
High Godly is when someone is erased along side their dimesional existence then they regen.
True Godly is when they are erased with something beyond dimensional existence then they regen
but.... True Godly and high godly sound almost similar in nature... both erasing dimensional values then regening into a true void, or whatever is left... just one is based around a higher Attack potency that only 1-A's can have....
That is if im understanding this correctly...
I still see a lot of people confused here too... at least i don't think im the only one confused by the current standard either..
Mid Godly as it appears to be Mind, body, and soul is erased then they regen
High Godly is when someone is erased along side their dimesional existence then they regen.
True Godly is when they are erased with something beyond dimensional existence then they regen
but.... True Godly and high godly sound almost similar in nature... both erasing dimensional values then regening into a true void, or whatever is left... just one is based around a higher Attack potency that only 1-A's can have....
That is if im understanding this correctly...
I still see a lot of people confused here too... at least i don't think im the only one confused by the current standard either..
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@Infinite
I think what he's saying is that Mid-Godly Regenerationn is normally just regenerating from nonexistence. If the character is erased from that, then they can't regenerate.
From what I know so far, he is correct.
I think what he's saying is that Mid-Godly Regenerationn is normally just regenerating from nonexistence. If the character is erased from that, then they can't regenerate.
From what I know so far, he is correct.
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@Upgrade
Using the current definitions, High-Godly is being erased from existence alongside the reality you inhabit and then regenerating in the void where said reality used to be. True Godly, meanwhile, is being erased on an "outerversal" scale and then regenerating.
Using the current definitions, High-Godly is being erased from existence alongside the reality you inhabit and then regenerating in the void where said reality used to be. True Godly, meanwhile, is being erased on an "outerversal" scale and then regenerating.
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Why do we assume a character need dimensions or reality to regenerate in the first place?
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But how do you get erased from nonexistence? You're already nothing, how can you become even more . . . nothing-y?KingPin0422 said:
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Keep asking that and this will become a debate about whether nonexistence characters are truly nonexistent.InfiniteSped said:
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Well, I'd say just being a "character" means you have to exist in some capacity. You can't really be something if you're nothing.
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I have a suggestion, though I don't know how good it is or even if it's relevant, given the current turn of events.
We define Mid-Godly as regenerating even if your mind, soul and body have been erased. What if High-Godly is just coming back from conceptual erasure? Or would that be too close to True-Godly??
We define Mid-Godly as regenerating even if your mind, soul and body have been erased. What if High-Godly is just coming back from conceptual erasure? Or would that be too close to True-Godly??
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I think it's already been established that "nonexistent physiology" is not true nonexistence.
But let's get back on-topic. I still hold that High-Godly and True Godly should be having the archetype behind your existence erased and then regenerating from that. Whether it is High-Godly or True Godly depends on if it is a false Platonic Form or a true one.
But let's get back on-topic. I still hold that High-Godly and True Godly should be having the archetype behind your existence erased and then regenerating from that. Whether it is High-Godly or True Godly depends on if it is a false Platonic Form or a true one.
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The current definition of "the reality you inhabit" is referencing the targets dimensional existence. If you erased someone with their entire dimensional existence that makes up the target. They are also regenerating when they shoulnd't have a dimensional make up left. Which is like baseline true godly sounding to me unless you refer to the erasure from a high 1-A..
Im probably explaining it poorly.. but High godly is the erasure of that targets entire dimensional structure (then regen) so they are still regening from something beyond the concept of their dimensinal existence..
this is still poorly explained... hhhmmm.. i hope my point is being understood... i am bad at explaining things..
Both seem to be that you regen when there is no dimensional make up left just one is to a greater degree...
if a 1-A were to erase all infinite dimensional space.. and a 3D superhuman that has only low2-c busting feats and durability, regen'ed.. that would be True Godly, yes???
But if an Infinite dimensional being erased all dimensions below the 24th dimension... And 3D Superhuman (Same as above) regen'ed from that... that 3D being shouldn't be 3D anymore as the entire concept, or idea of "3rd dimensionality" was erased.. the 3rd dimension that made up that 3D superhuman doesn't exist anymore but he still regened despite that his dimensional existence, or his dimensional make up doesn't exist anymore...
That sounds like baseline True Godly to me imo, but isn't the 2nd example above what the current definetion of High Godly is?????
Im probably explaining it poorly.. but High godly is the erasure of that targets entire dimensional structure (then regen) so they are still regening from something beyond the concept of their dimensinal existence..
this is still poorly explained... hhhmmm.. i hope my point is being understood... i am bad at explaining things..
Both seem to be that you regen when there is no dimensional make up left just one is to a greater degree...
if a 1-A were to erase all infinite dimensional space.. and a 3D superhuman that has only low2-c busting feats and durability, regen'ed.. that would be True Godly, yes???
But if an Infinite dimensional being erased all dimensions below the 24th dimension... And 3D Superhuman (Same as above) regen'ed from that... that 3D being shouldn't be 3D anymore as the entire concept, or idea of "3rd dimensionality" was erased.. the 3rd dimension that made up that 3D superhuman doesn't exist anymore but he still regened despite that his dimensional existence, or his dimensional make up doesn't exist anymore...
That sounds like baseline True Godly to me imo, but isn't the 2nd example above what the current definetion of High Godly is?????
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High-Godly isn't having your dimensional makeup destroyed. High-Godly is having your existence erased alongside reality itself, up to at least your dimensional level.
For example, a 4-D being who gets their body, mind and soul erased along with the existence of infinite timelines and then regenerates from that in the void where the timelines used to exist would qualify for High-Godly.
For example, a 4-D being who gets their body, mind and soul erased along with the existence of infinite timelines and then regenerates from that in the void where the timelines used to exist would qualify for High-Godly.
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"To be frank, High-Godly as it stands is just Mid-Godly plus the ability to survive in a void."
As I already established with the Zamasu example, it is possible for characters with Mid Godly regen and the ability to survive in a void to be erased from existence, so no. Zeno isn't a tier 1 character so if what you are saying were true, his erase attack wouldn't have worked.
As for True Godly, they are the same as High Godly except not even erasure from tier 1's or nonexistence erasure can effect them. Only True Godly Regenerationn negation or omnipotent tier 0s can destroy them.
Zamasu has Mid Godly because he can be destroyed by a universe wide existence erasure
Lucifer Morningstar has High Godly because he can still come back from universe wide EE, but can be killed by tier 1 characters like the Presence.
Hajun has True Godly because even attacks from other 1-A characters can't kill him.
As I already established with the Zamasu example, it is possible for characters with Mid Godly regen and the ability to survive in a void to be erased from existence, so no. Zeno isn't a tier 1 character so if what you are saying were true, his erase attack wouldn't have worked.
As for True Godly, they are the same as High Godly except not even erasure from tier 1's or nonexistence erasure can effect them. Only True Godly Regenerationn negation or omnipotent tier 0s can destroy them.
Zamasu has Mid Godly because he can be destroyed by a universe wide existence erasure
Lucifer Morningstar has High Godly because he can still come back from universe wide EE, but can be killed by tier 1 characters like the Presence.
Hajun has True Godly because even attacks from other 1-A characters can't kill him.
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My example covers that. The infinite dimesnional being erased every dimension below the 24th. He reduced them all to true nothingness. Nothing is left but a complete void, a chasm of darkness, and abyss of just nothing. There is no longer a 3rd dimension, or a 4th dimension. everything below the 24th dimension is gone. There is nothing. Absoultely nothing anyone can do. There is nothing that can be done to bring back every dimension that was erased. Were talking perma deleted from existence. There is no way to bring them back to life.
If a 3D being regen's from that erasure. That is considered High Godly by the current definetion. However, how can he regen when there is no 3rd dimension left as i elaborated above? He had to of regenerated from something "beyond the concept of dimensions." Because his level of existence was erased. His dimension that bounded his existence is gone..
That is again, assuming i understood the current definition correctly as many helped elaborate upon it above...
If a 3D being regen's from that erasure. That is considered High Godly by the current definetion. However, how can he regen when there is no 3rd dimension left as i elaborated above? He had to of regenerated from something "beyond the concept of dimensions." Because his level of existence was erased. His dimension that bounded his existence is gone..
That is again, assuming i understood the current definition correctly as many helped elaborate upon it above...
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@FFS
...Zamasu can't survive in a void, though. At least, I don't believe he has ever demonstrated the capacity to do so.
@Upgrade
I guess it should be noted that in such a setting, the 3-D character would have an infinite number of dimensional vectors. It's just that only three of those vectors have a non-zero value. That doesn't stop them from, say, regenerating via the 25th dimension.
...Zamasu can't survive in a void, though. At least, I don't believe he has ever demonstrated the capacity to do so.
@Upgrade
I guess it should be noted that in such a setting, the 3-D character would have an infinite number of dimensional vectors. It's just that only three of those vectors have a non-zero value. That doesn't stop them from, say, regenerating via the 25th dimension.
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Goku and Vegeta did when they came back to the timeline after it was destroyed. If they could, I see no reason he couldn't.
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Tbh.
I think that they should be, once again;
Low-Godly; Regen from no physical existence using a Soul/Disembodied essence that still exists in some way (dimensions or not, considering that regenerating outside of your reality/without the dimensions that make you up existing can be a form of any level of Godly Regen, so maybe the container isn't important, unless that container is where your Soul exists and destroying that destroys your soul)
Mid-Godly; Regenerating from no Soul/Essence using Concepts or some sort of external and independent abstract, including a reality that wants you to be alive, metaphysics, or whatever else that needs to be in order for you to regenerate.
High-Godly; Regenerating from no Concept or some sort of external and independent abstract, using something beyond even concepts and independent abstracts...?
True Godly; Regenerating no matter what. As in there's "no limit" to how hard you can destroy them, and that they just continue to exist beyond any source you could trace them back to.
I think that they should be, once again;
Low-Godly; Regen from no physical existence using a Soul/Disembodied essence that still exists in some way (dimensions or not, considering that regenerating outside of your reality/without the dimensions that make you up existing can be a form of any level of Godly Regen, so maybe the container isn't important, unless that container is where your Soul exists and destroying that destroys your soul)
Mid-Godly; Regenerating from no Soul/Essence using Concepts or some sort of external and independent abstract, including a reality that wants you to be alive, metaphysics, or whatever else that needs to be in order for you to regenerate.
High-Godly; Regenerating from no Concept or some sort of external and independent abstract, using something beyond even concepts and independent abstracts...?
True Godly; Regenerating no matter what. As in there's "no limit" to how hard you can destroy them, and that they just continue to exist beyond any source you could trace them back to.
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@FFS
If it truly were a void, then why don't the profiles say that Goku and Vegeta have infinite speed or the ability to survive in a void? Either it's not truly a void, or that whole scene is PIS.
@Amexim
Your idea of True Godly is a NLF. As for High-Godly... a friend and I have considered a type of Regenerationn that involves erasure on a scale which is more fundamental than any conceptual level. Unfortunately, the information on it has been lost, and I'm trying to get them to share it again.
If it truly were a void, then why don't the profiles say that Goku and Vegeta have infinite speed or the ability to survive in a void? Either it's not truly a void, or that whole scene is PIS.
@Amexim
Your idea of True Godly is a NLF. As for High-Godly... a friend and I have considered a type of Regenerationn that involves erasure on a scale which is more fundamental than any conceptual level. Unfortunately, the information on it has been lost, and I'm trying to get them to share it again.
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I'm going to just throw in my opinion.
Getting rid of True-Godly is a no because it's regenerating beyond any restrictions of dimensional limitation. I do not think it would do it justice when the scale is completely different. True-Godly is for 1-As only as well and very different from removing High-Godly.
High-Godly, that is also a no. Regenerating from the totality of existence destroyed is far more impressive for the reasons Ultima listed. I've not checked the whole thread, but the idea that it's the equivalent of Mid-Godly is fundamentally flawed. Lots of hax on the wiki is based on quantity as well, such as range of soul manipulation, duplication, mind manipulation, etc. Why would Regenerationn suddenly be any different?
Getting rid of True-Godly is a no because it's regenerating beyond any restrictions of dimensional limitation. I do not think it would do it justice when the scale is completely different. True-Godly is for 1-As only as well and very different from removing High-Godly.
High-Godly, that is also a no. Regenerating from the totality of existence destroyed is far more impressive for the reasons Ultima listed. I've not checked the whole thread, but the idea that it's the equivalent of Mid-Godly is fundamentally flawed. Lots of hax on the wiki is based on quantity as well, such as range of soul manipulation, duplication, mind manipulation, etc. Why would Regenerationn suddenly be any different?
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I have a better suggestion
Low-Godly: Regen from no physical existence using a Soul/Disembodied essence
Mid-Godly: Regenerating from the destruction of mind, body and soul
High-Godly: Regenerating from Conceptual erasure/non-existence erasure
True Godly: Regenerating from 1-A hax/erasure in a dimensionless space
Low-Godly: Regen from no physical existence using a Soul/Disembodied essence
Mid-Godly: Regenerating from the destruction of mind, body and soul
High-Godly: Regenerating from Conceptual erasure/non-existence erasure
True Godly: Regenerating from 1-A hax/erasure in a dimensionless space
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By the current standards, High-Godly would already allow you to come back from Non-Existence Erasure on reality scales.
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@Frieza
Zeno's Erasure >>>>> Hakai
Thats why it was able to permakill Zamasu
@Infinity
Stuff like Erasure or Matter Manipulation use quality for potency istead of quantity
also regenning from a erasure on a dimensional scale is just 4-D Mid-Godly regen
Zeno's Erasure >>>>> Hakai
Thats why it was able to permakill Zamasu
@Infinity
Stuff like Erasure or Matter Manipulation use quality for potency istead of quantity
also regenning from a erasure on a dimensional scale is just 4-D Mid-Godly regen
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Isn't Omnipotence and shit also NLF? And True Godly regen Is typically 1-A, so, "limits" aren't really a thing either, given the fact that nothing can challenge these kinds of characters.
@Jack
You kinda restated everything I said up until True Godly, but High Godly in my mind isn't limited to concepts but "whatever is left to regenerate the being" that is independent of their consciousness, and True Godly of the Level you're describing is literally only stoppable by Tier 0. Which conflict with the very presence of 1-A's, right? Two Omnipotent beings can't fight.
@Jack
You kinda restated everything I said up until True Godly, but High Godly in my mind isn't limited to concepts but "whatever is left to regenerate the being" that is independent of their consciousness, and True Godly of the Level you're describing is literally only stoppable by Tier 0. Which conflict with the very presence of 1-A's, right? Two Omnipotent beings can't fight.
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It doesn't matter how much more powerful an EE is, it shouldn't affect anything unless there's Power Nullification or Regenerationn Negation involved. I'm not seeing either of those listed on his profile, so it must be because he destroyed the multiverse in the midst of his EE.
Of course, the whole thing is stupid anyway, the SDBs were supposed to be able to do anything, so there immortality should have been absolute.
Of course, the whole thing is stupid anyway, the SDBs were supposed to be able to do anything, so there immortality should have been absolute.
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