High godly regen and True godly regen should be removed

[Antoniofer]

I mean, the only thing that would qualify as "beyond nonexistence" would be erased to a temporal, memory, basis and perpective level (I may not fully understand one of these levels), so recovering from that state would be already True-Godly.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

My example covers that. The infinite dimesnional being erased every dimension below the 24th. He reduced them all to true nothingness. Nothing is left but a complete void, a chasm of darkness, and abyss of just nothing. There is no longer a 3rd dimension, or a 4th dimension. everything below the 24th dimension is gone. There is nothing. Absoultely nothing anyone can do. There is nothing that can be done to bring back every dimension that was erased. Were talking perma deleted from existence. There is no way to bring them back to life.
If a 3D being regen's from that erasure. That is considered High Godly by the current definetion. However, how can he regen when there is no 3rd dimension left as i elaborated above? He had to of regenerated from something "beyond the concept of dimensions." Because his level of existence was erased. His dimension that bounded his existence is gone..

That is again, assuming i understood the current definition correctly as many helped elaborate upon it above...

This is my issue with high godly's current state.. and reality is pretty vague and confusing..

 

[JackJoyce]

Explain beyond the concept of dimensions. It's definitely not regenerating from dimensionless space else it'd be True-Godly

 

[JackJoyce]

It is probably best if the staff members try to reach a consensus instead, at least if you mean a poll that anybody can participate in, like in our front page.

I'd suggest the staff members to discuss the new standards for High-Godly first or if they want it to remove all together. Then make a poll whether people want it to change or remain the same

I'd personally prefer High-Godly to stay but also allow Regen from Type-2 conceptual manipulation (Type-2 because it's transcendent of the reality itself) and Non-existence erasure to qualify for it.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I would very much appreciate if somebody could go through the staff replies above and summarise the various suggestions from them in a list. That would make our job much easier.

 

[Antoniofer]

I'm far from a PC, so I can't look for the suggestions, not in a easy way.

As Mid-Godly is already regenerating to a Metaphysical level (generally at spiritual level) that level is pretty broad, the only thing above that would be regenerating at a Paraphysical level, but I think that is True Godly.

I also suggest to catalog the types and levels of erasure, so people got and idea of the gravity of the subject; but at the time Mid-Godly cover most regens.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Having almost all regens count as mid godly is what almost everyone was universally against

 

[Antoniofer]

Most likely cuz few metaphysical levels aren't necessary beyond others, wiping something at temporal level isn't necesssry above wiping someone at spiritual level or viceverse. You can say thet the new High-Godly would regen to every existential level, but it would be so conditional that nearly no character would have it.

 

[Antvasima]

@Antoniofer

Would you or somebody else be willing to create a combined restart thread in the staff forum as a continuation of both this one and the other one about our Regenerationn standards?

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3045654

If it summarises the most relevant arguments so far, we can probably get some revisions done.

 

[Antoniofer]

I can't do that kind og stuff for a while, I'm out of my country and thus with no PC; can't do much aside from commenting.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Ultimat reality [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#8 ] I think he agrees something needs to change but im un sure...
The Real Cal Howard appears to be aganist getting rid of High Godly, but neutral towards True Godly [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#30 ]

Mr. Bambu agrees to a change, but neutral on True Godly. [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#33 ]

Monarch Laciel is neutral on High Godly, but he believes true godly should be removed. [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#35 ]

Antoniofer agrees that something needs to be changed, or done..??? [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#41 ]

TheGlassMan12 well he already said it before i can post this lol..
[ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#95 ]

DarkDragonmedeus thinks ultimat reality makes sense. [ https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3067671#97 ]

There may have been other staff replies... I'm on vacation right now

 

[LightinAnt]

I'd personally prefer High-Godly to stay but also allow Regen from Type-2 conceptual manipulation (Type-2 because it's transcendent of the reality itself) and Non-existence erasure to qualify for it.

Conceptual or Non-existent erasure is superior to the regular justification for High-Godly, fusing them together isn't the best idea since it will come up eventually "But he regenerated from him and his reality being wiped, that means he should come back from conceptual erasure" etc. I'm for making those High-Godly, while converting the old High-Godly into another layer of Mid-Godly

 

[AstralKing7]

Why are we always fusing things?? That makes stuff to confusing already

 

[Antvasima]

@Antoniofer

Okay. No problem.

@All

Is somebody else willing to handle it in a reasonably professional manner?

 

[EcchiOtakuTM]

I still vote that mid-godly and high-godly should be definition changed while those who fit the new definitions get changed accordingly.

I agree definition of regen should not be setting based while mid-god should be a bit more specific so anything mid-god doesn't directly cover(mind, body, and soul) elevates to high-god. I've already established where I feel the definitions should be slightly above. However Idk how to feel about true godly seeing as it just seems kind of redundant.

Personally all I feel it has going for it is recovery of what a high-godly regen couldn't heal or sustainability after 1-A damage, which doesn't feel reasonable enough of an explaination.

Sorry to ask but without using stage/setting, can someone re-explain true godly regen to me, what is there really left for true godly to regen if it's beyond mind, body, soul, concept, reality?

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think that anything will happen here or in the other related thread, unless somebody summarises the discussions in a professional manner in a new thread in the staff forum.

 

[JackJoyce]

@LightinAnt That seems ok too

 

[SinsofMan]

I know this is late, but Ill throw my hat into the ring.

In general, most of the 'godly' regens we have on the wiki are either Low-Godly or High-Godly

In fact the only High-Godlys I know are Swamp Thing and the Eldrazi from MTG.

I am unsure personally if coming back after your soul AND after your reality was destroyed should even qualify as different regen.

At least for True-Godly, regening from existence, non existence and everything in between, I can buy that based on the grounds you might beyond the concept of 'nothing' so your form is as eternal as you are.

The Eldrazi have it; but if we really want to be pragmatic, their existence was born in a void and in higher dimensional space.

So again, just 'nothing'.

Really by the end of the day, it all depends on what your concept of coming back from 'nothing' is.

Is it without a soul? Without a reality?

In my opinion, I think we either ditch High-Godly and we make a more expansive definition for Mid-Godly. Or we define what coming back from nothing when your reality is also nothing truly means.

High-Godly and True-Godly in a sense are closer to concept by the end of the day, but I prefer the former.

True-Godly stays though; it is coming back from all forms of erasure possible.

Dimensional, Spiritual, Mental, even the concept of Existence and Non-Existence.

Admitedly, I did not read the thread so someone may have brought this up above, but just my take on it.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think that anything will happen here or in the other related thread, unless somebody summarises the discussions in a professional manner in a new thread in the staff forum.

I honestly think that we should focus on this part, or no improvements will be made.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3045654

 

[SinsofMan]

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So now we have disagreements on anything beyond Mid-High?

Perhaps a staff thread should be made just rewording these with more depth + nuance.

My issue is that it is arguably small.

Yeah, it is fine when talking about regenerating from heads and cells, but technically once we got atomic and 'higher' we are really grasping at straws on what Regenerationn is practically.

Regenerationn is the process in which some organism's regenerate body parts.

While fiction obviously ignores this and assume "cells multiply.", mass cannot created or destroyed.

When something is 'regenerated', it is in fact closer to mass replication.

So yeah, in fiction, anything in the realm of atoms and when we delve from biology + chemistry and then go to physics + metaphysics should be more clearly defined.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, for what it is worth, I don't mind Promestein's solution, but the staff need to discuss this on their own in a restarted thread to get anything done.

 

[PaChi2]

Well, for what it is worth, I don't mind Promestein's solution, but the staff need to discuss this on their own in a restarted thread to get anything done.

If that is what you consider best, well, who is going to create said thread?

 

[Antvasima]

Somebody reasonably experienced who is willing to go through all of the staff replies in both threads and write a summary of the suggestions and arguments so far.

 

[JackJoyce]

Any progress on this or the other one?

 

[Antvasima]

Not from me, but I would very much appreciate if somebody could start a new thread that summarises the main issues.

 

[Antvasima]

Not from me, but I would very much appreciate if somebody could start a new thread that summarises the main issues.

I would still very much appreciate help with this.

I can highlight the discussion afterwards.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I have created the new discussion thread, I will highlight it momentarily.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for the help.

 

[Antvasima]

I will close this thread then.