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High godly regen and True godly regen should be removed

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I will try to use an example for this:

We have character A, who is a living drawing. A can regenerate after I erase it with my rubber. Technically this is low godly, but let's assume I use a special rubber and that it is mid-godly.

I burn the paper A was drawn in. Afterwards, A reappears in another paper or maybe in a wall. Is this a better regen feat that when I simply erase A with my super rubber? It's not, in both scenarios A is gone and maybe with my rubber I could erase ir more throughly. It's the same Regenerationn, but now we know that A is capable of manifesting in other papers or walls or maybe "somewhere" and is capable of travelling to the paper.

Did I make myself clear?
 
I mean, we could change High-godly to being erased in a conceptual level or something, I dont deny that there are different levels of mid-godly. Its not the same someone who survives Hakai to someone who survives Conceptual erasure. But basing the higher regens on range is incorrect.
 
Well the conceptual thing runs into the issue of us having 5 different types of concept to qualify as. I guess something like a retroactive erasure would be more standardized, and inclusive of concepts 2 and above by default, but idk.
 
That's something we should discuss in another thread, maybe.
 
I feel like a major change to a central ability like this should be highlighted. Give me a sec
 
So it appears a few staff memebers agree that High godly needs changed, or removed..

and only a couple have something to say about true godly while the rest seem neutral..

but, imo, i always thought the defintion for High Godly regen was weird.
 
I see the issue with High Godly, but true Godly regen...

when it comes to outterversal stuff im not that knowlegeable on, but some characters that exist in within dimensional boundries their existence should be tied to the concept of dimensions right? So, if a character had their entire existence including their dimensional exisence erasure and they revived from that despite everything that makes up their exisentce including their concept of dimensions. that would be true godly wouldn't it?
 
High-Godly is regenerating depsite lacking a place to regenerate into

True-Godly is kinda.......weird tbh. You could get punched by a haxless 1-A and still technically have True-Godly despite not getting hit with hax, which is rather dumb.

Overall, the only level of regen with real issues to address is True-Godly due to it being fucky. High-Godly being dependent on the setting makes no difference.
 
Well, True Godly regen is something only 1-As can have afaik. Or their smurfs, maybe?

And 1-As are already unbound by dimensions as per deffinition so I dont see the point of "surviving erasure beyond the concept of dimension".
 
Being able to exist in a void and having Mid Godly regen does not equal the same as High Godly. In the DBS manga, Zamasu was said to be able to come back from having his soul destroyed, and both Goku and Vegeta were able to survive in the void left over after Zeno destroyed everything when they came back with the time machine. If they could survive in the void, Zamasu should have been able to as well. Yet, Zamasu was still destroyed by Zenos Erase ability. If Mid Godly with the ability to survive in a void and high godly were the same, he should have come back from that, but he didn't. Therefor, he must have only Mid Godly level. Otherwise, the Erase ability wouldn't have worked on him. Going by your logic, any character with Mid Godly regen who can survive in a void should be completely unkillable unless hit with EE from a tier 1 character, which is not true. Only with High Godly regen can you be completely unkillable to everyone who's not a tier 1.
 
Hl3 or bust said:
High-Godly is regenerating depsite lacking a place to regenerate into

True-Godly is kinda.......weird tbh. You could get punched by a haxless 1-A and still technically have True-Godly despite not getting hit with hax, which is rather dumb.

Overall, the only level of regen with real issues to address is True-Godly due to it being fucky. High-Godly being dependent on the setting makes no difference.
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The whole point is that "regenerating despite not having a place to regen into" isnt an upgrade to what mid-godly represents in regenerative terms. Its just that, having the ability to exist after everything is gone and creating a new body. Any mid-godly regenerator that can live in a void can do that.
 
Question. Where do we fit regenerating from beyond nothingness or being conceptually erased as? I heard Mmid-Godly, but that feels...off to me...
 
"The whole point is that "regenerating despite not having a place to regen into" isnt an upgrade to what mid-godly represents in regenerative terms. Its just that, having the ability to exist after everything is gone and creating a new body. Any mid-godly regenerator that can live in a void can do that."

I just debunked that.

Mid Godly- Can come back from having their soul destroyed

High Godly- Can come back from having their soul destroyed and having their verse destroyed simutaniously. Only Regenerationn negation on a high godly level combined with existence erasure, nonexistence erasure, or EE from tier 1 or 0 characters can kill them.

True Godly- Can come back from EE combined with High Godly regen negation as well as nonexistence erasure. Only two things can destroy them: Tier 0 characters or EE combined with True Godly regen negation. If they have resistance to True Godly regen negation, than only tier 0 characters can kill them. Tier 0s are completely unkillable and nothing can ever harm them.
 
Shouldn't High Godly be phrased something like "Being able to regenerate even after the "dimensions that make up your existence" has been destroyed/erasured" ?????


True godly regen be something like: Regenerate even after the entirety of your existence and everything that makes up your existence is gone??????

idk the wording for High godly regen confusing me lol...
 
Ultima Reality said:
High-Godly Regenerationn apparently comes from the principle that, for someone to reform after being erased from existence, there must be some form of "existence" which they can return to, so in the circumstance where all of existence is reduced to nothingness, they wouldn't be able to return without some special form of Resurrection / Regenerationn.
Another explanation I've heard is that, regenerating from nothingness would be a phenomenon which stems from a "backup" mechanism rooted in reality itself, as opposed to an internal mechanism which is inherent to the entity being erased, as is the case with Low-Godly Regenerationn and below. So High-Godly regen would basically be reforming after these "backups" are destroyed and regular return from nothingness is made impossible.
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Personally I can get behind both justifications.

A regenerating character does usually do that in the place he was destroyed. If that place doesn't exist anymore he either needs to be able to regenerate at another location or his Regenerationn needs to recreate a place at that position before he starts to regenerate. In case of his plane of existence, he essentially has to recreate said plane.

E.g. If a character was erased by another character for which he is like fiction, by just erasing said fiction entirely, that is much more notable than just mid-godly regen. If he was for example part of a dream of the higher plane character he would need to recreate part of that dream, which is notably more difficult than just reappearing in an existing dream.


The second perspective also makes sense, IMO. If a character regenerates there is some form of mechanism to it. Without further information being given it seems plausible to assume that this mechanism would operate within the reality the character lives in and works by that realities rules. That the mechanism survives the destruction of the reality is not guaranteed.

Common example for that are the kind of characters which have mid-godly regen by being resurrected via a certain law or concept. Since most laws and concepts in fiction are restricted to certain planes of existence (or are assumed to be such without proper evidence) destruction of said plane will destroy the Regenerationn mechanism.
 
Frieza force soldier 100 said:
Going by your logic, any character with Mid Godly regen who can survive in a void should be completely unkillable unless hit with EE from a tier 1 character, which is not true. Only with High Godly regen can you be completely unkillable to everyone who's not a tier 1.
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1) Regenerationn negation exists as an ability.

2) Mid godly doesnt grant you resistance to hax-type erasure like conceptual/paradox/etc. Or any Regenerationn, really.
 
TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
Shouldn't High Godly be phrased something like "Being able to regenerate even after the "dimensions that make up your existence" has been destroyed/erasured" ?????

True godly regen be something like: Regenerate even after the entirety of your existence and everything that makes up your existence is gone??????

idk the wording for High godly regen confusing me lol...
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Dragonmasterxyz said:
Question. Where do we fit regenerating from beyond nothingness or being conceptually erased as? I heard Mmid-Godly, but that feels...off to me...
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Currently, just Mid-Godly. Assuming this goes through, conceptual erasure I'd argue is a good contender for High-Godly rather than what we currently have.
 
@Dragonmasterxyz from what i understand that could be Regenerationn negation resistance??? I've asked that before on a thread and it was commonly accepted as resistance to regen negation...and conceptual manipulation resistance*
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Question. Where do we fit regenerating from beyond nothingness or being conceptually erased as? I heard Mmid-Godly, but that feels...off to me...
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Personally I think mid-godly seems the right place for that.

Regenerating or not regenerating from conceptual erasure is a question of having mid-godly with or without the appropriate resistance/independence/recreation ability needed to escape the re-erasure mechanism.

Regenerating from beyond nothingness is just ill defined and hence not really classifiable.
 
There are a couple non 1-A True Godly characters, if anyone was wondering.
 
I edited my comment to better explain the regens.

Oh, and by the way

"Mid godly doesnt grant you resistance to hax-type erasure like conceptual/paradox/etc. Or any Regenerationn, really."

True Godly protects you from all but two things: EE combined with regen negation on a True Godly level, and EE from tier 0 characters, who are completely unkillable and can never be harmed. The two most unkillable types of characters are ones with True Godly regen negation resistence (only tier 0s can kill them) and tier 0s (nothing can harm them).
 
"E.g. If a character was erased by another character for which he is like fiction, by just erasing said fiction entirely, that is much more notable than just mid-godly regen. If he was for example part of a dream of the higher plane character he would need to recreate part of that dream, which is notably more difficult than just reappearing in an existing dream."

Maybe Im wrong, but I dont see this as an upgrade to mid-godly regen. The guy recreating a dream is akin to pocket dimension creation (irrelevant for Regenerationn) and having the ability to survive the erasure is not a regenerative feat. Its surviving. Resistance to High-D EE, maybe. This is assuming that erasing fiction or the dream affects the soul and stuff of the guys in there.
 
Wokistan said:
There are a couple non 1-A True Godly characters, if anyone was wondering.
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Im legit curious who are those guys.
 
"Regenerating or not regenerating from conceptual erasure is a question of having mid-godly with or without the appropriate resistance/independence/recreation ability needed to escape the re-erasure mechanism."

How do I put it, that's exactly how I see your example of the dream. Nuking the dream might not even affect the soul/mind or whatever of the guys in there for all we know.
 
Daedric Princes.
 
how do you get True Godly regen without being 1-A? or get True Godly Regenerationn negation without being 1-A?
 
Daedric Princes regenned from being erased by a 1-A.

Ren Fuji has his arm scythe thing cursed by a 1-A and has negated such immortality with it before.
 
Is he tied to a concept? My only problem with is that if a character in fact has his existence bounded by the "Concept of dimension" but yet he surivives the earsure of the entire "concept of dimensions" and he regens... that would mean he is not bounded by the concept of dimensions.... wouldn't it? I can only see them regening if they are tied to some weird concept like life or death... or the concept of "all creation"...
 
Welp, Regenerationn is reverting back to the "standard" state of health, so someone below 1-A can't obtain that regen (unless it ascend to 1-A).
 
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