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Could u quantify how hot it'd have to be to melt absolute zero? Literally leaving anything that is absolute zero inside let's say a bedroom would lower its temperature.
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High 6-C Fire and Cold Tournament 2022: Meliodas vs Kamen Rider Durendal (Semi-Final 2)
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Jibz
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im presuming it deconstructs him? Like speedster said.
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Against someone like Durendal, i see Meliodas using clones.I trust Durendal is skilled enough not to run into fire. But then again, Durendal isn't effected by Saber's deconstruction fire and breaks it via higher AP. He can always mini-BFR he away if that's the case.
He lost to Grimgor so all good.
It stops when he de-transforms I suppose.
he doesn't have flight but can totally use his energy/water thing to bring himself up. Then again, time hax meliodas until meliodas flies back down or something.
Wouldn't the clones see what is going on? That he suddenly spams on another place? Basically like teleportation?
I was looking at the gifs on the previous page. When he stops the time hax, he has yet to attack. What happens if Meliodas catches his sword? Can he still go in time hax?
And what happens if Durendal goes in time hax but while he is in another dimension, his opponent stabs Durendal in the current one? Will this damage affect him when he goes back in the same dimension?
Sorry for all the questions, just learning to know more about Durendal hax
Jibz
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Apparently he's capable of using it instantly later on, but i've seen no evidence provided for it so all we have to go off on in that regard is the opposition's statement.
IxaSaga2
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Blades' attacks is permanently Absolute Zero. There's no real way to calc it. Again, the elements in Saber work adjacently to AP. If AP is lower, it wouldn't work as well. if AP higher, then it does a lot of damage.
Well. I already countered that point since Durendal resists like four different deconstructions, swords that can cut through space, swords that deals sub-atomic damage, and AZ.
Durendal would be no stranger to clone since he trains with a clone user daily. He goes to a space that completely detaches him from time and space. When he stops the time hax, he would be in a position where he would be in a perfect position to attack. I don't think anything would happen if Meliodas catches the sword tbh. the abilities works from the book that is attached to the sword. Nothing happens to "current Durendal" cause that's not really him. You would have to smack him out by resisting casuality and time. He did get caught a few times but things get crazy by the end of Saber so you can't really fault him.
The second gif I gave basically covers that since you never see him pressing the button when the ability is activated.
Also, going back to the skill point. 2000 years of experience does not do Durendal justice. At this time he scales to Blades who receive the entire history his organization. So 10 different swordsman from 2000 years to now. That would be closer to 20,000 years of accumulated experience.
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To give an idea, Kamen Rider is one of those verses that can reliably fight Warhammer Fantasy High 6-Cs and NOT get stomped. And they are leagues more skilled than Meliodas. Rider FRA.
Jibz
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So the heat from his fire is....unquantifiable? You gotta atleast state a celcius for its heat, otherwise how will we know which heat is hotter?
I presumed after pressing it to begin with (the skill's activation) he is then able to use it back to back to back. That's what your gif shows, not him instantly using it with 0 windup at any point, to say that would be a flagrant contradiction to the very evidence you provided.
What? That's not how experience works? Does a team of 10 developers each with 3 years worth of experience in coding have 30 years worth of experience? No. Neither does scaling to someone means you have the same lvl of experience to them, unless they've directly stated that or have had some sort of only sword based combat in which they were equal.
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This tournament may end with kamen rider vs kamen rider. Who choose the participants
?Meliodas is stronger but it seems like Durendal wins with 1 hax
IxaSaga2
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yea, rider usually has specs that claims fire that is 6000C to 500,000. Saber unusually doesn't have that so the writers didn't want Saber to have a set amount.
I did say as the series progressed, it becomes that. However, those scenes could just be left out and he does it. But then again, pressing a button isn't hard to do.
That's why I said accumulated. "Does a team of 10 developers each with 3 years worth of experience in coding have 30 years worth of experience? No." No, but when they are all put in the same body and mind, yes.
I thought I would never see the day Reaper sides with a rider character.
Jibz
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Personally, wincons for both sides are still being discussed and the discussion is extremely premature, so ill wait and see some more of Durendal's power before i vote for Kamen Goats. Curious on the time erasure aspect and its possible flaws and weaknesses before making a decision.
Jibz
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interesting, im unsure as to Hellblaze's specific heat, but im sure we can figure that out
Pressing a button opens up possibilites for Meliodas, it goes from a stomp to some hope for us NNT fans.
Again it can be accumulated but that's not how experience works, you cant just add up the separate experiences of 10 people with 3 years experience and suddenly make it 30 years. It's like smashing a triangle into a slot fit for a square. It. Does. Not. Work. That. Way.
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I was thinking if Grimgor goes through with the coinflip, we should just send Meliodas to the final against him since we know how Durendal vs Grimgor would go.This tournament may end with kamen rider vs kamen rider. Who choose the participants
Meliodas is stronger but it seems like Durendal wins with 1 hax
It does have its flaws and it exploited near the end of the series. Durendal gets his ass kicked by the end.
Oh, for experience probably not. I should've probably said techniques and skills instead.
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Could u name the flaws? Outside of a button start up that's pretty easy to do.
That im fine with
Jibz
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Could you elaborate on this please? (Not that it particularly matters since he can neg Meli's regen with his explosion manip right?)
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This tournament may end with kamen rider vs kamen rider. Who choose the participants
IxaSaga2
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Explosion Manip varies in rider but in Saber, people generally explode into fire and leave nothing behind. An example I can put is Golem Megid which can regen from being blown to into pieces but it is destroyed by Saber riders. It only revived back by immortality. Another instance is against Salamander Megid which exploded into chunks of flesh and then regened back but then permanently killed later on.
Blades after gaining his final form, became a lot more skilled than Durendal. Blades knew preemptively where Durendal comes out since Blades fought him so many times. Again, this took many episodes. Even then he went 1 - 1 vs Blades' final form. Solomon resisted cas and time so he swatted him inside his zone. Falchion used his void powers against him. Saber had a mix of resistance, precognition, and extrasensory perception which led him to counter durendal's attack once and then Durendal smacked Saber around. Lord of Wise Diago had the same time hax that Durendal had. I think that's all the times Durendal was defeated.
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Doesn't Durendal basically constantly FTE attack Meliodas?
I mean, you are fighting with a dude but he suddenly vanished.
Since this is often what meliodas does + having extremely good senses in his full power logically, wouldn't Meliodas also succeed FTE attack Durendal?
Is basically the same effect in my eyes
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Is Meliodas an Extraordinary Genius who's skilled enough to keep up with Warhammer Fantasy of all verses?
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Meliodas has resistance negation for deconstruction, hellblaze and power nullification. Read the profile it will overwrite his resistance that’s what resistance negation is. Read Meliodas profile also I want scans for all this.
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Check Durendal's profile mate...
Also Meliodas doesn't have resistance negation on his profile, non-argument.
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"Hellfire Manipulation, Regeneration Negation (Mid-High), Resistance Negation: Demons can use black purgatory fire/hellblaze, nullify regeneration of other such as Ban. Purgatory flame can burn the Fairy King's forest which is immune to natural fire and Izraf stated it could harm him although regular fire could not"
So it only applies to Hellblaze, loooool at it applying to deconstruction
speedster352
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Read nnt crt 2 the changes will be applied soon
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I dont know that verse
. I know that this dude showed his intelligence in the manga. He often acts being goofy but is pretty smart. Also he is 3000+ years old
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Let's just say they're skilled enough to be among the most skilled on the site.I dont know that verse
It's not applied NOW though, which is what matters.
speedster352
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Half the stuff for dur is just head canon and not on his profile. Just making things up.
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Rider FRA
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But do they have way more hax. Which helps their intelligence? Meliodas doesn't have such hax
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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Dude stop this kind of stuff you did this in other thread too PROVE IT that the thing they're saying is head canon
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I'm unwatching from this thread for now, will come back in a day's time or so, or if a development comes up that would make me want to change my vote. But for now i vote for Power Rangers ripoff v9000 for the current reasons above (yeah yeah i know it came first, but power rangers >). Good day yall.
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Uh, yeah it is. Also prove it's headcanon by watching Kamen Rider Saber and disproving it
The issue was they couldn't really hit Durendal for the most part, let alone his skill which is ridiculous to say the least, Meliodas will have problems so much as hitting Durendal, let alone actually killing him
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Ramen Rider FRA
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:O
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Well i think i am not leaning to meliodas
My stance on this:
This is a really tricky match because at the start of the match Meliodas is stronger and more durable. Since Durendal seems to have several different resistance and gets stronger after each time skip, so his AP and durability goes up as well.
Meliodas due to time skip spam, is not able to tag him (i guess). Also he will gradually power up as Durendal's AP goes up. So its obvious that he gets stronger due to skipping.
Before meliodas is at full power, he must have tried tons of things with clones to gain knowledge etc but the hax still remains vague
But he would know that he can create healing more time for himself by:
This could be a stomp i think
Despite meliodas actually being stronger, he seemingly cant tag Durendal due to time skip
Maybe it comes down to stamina?
I still think i am leaning less and less to Meliodas because of that p*ss* hax spam
My stance on this:
This is a really tricky match because at the start of the match Meliodas is stronger and more durable. Since Durendal seems to have several different resistance and gets stronger after each time skip, so his AP and durability goes up as well.
Meliodas due to time skip spam, is not able to tag him (i guess). Also he will gradually power up as Durendal's AP goes up. So its obvious that he gets stronger due to skipping.
Before meliodas is at full power, he must have tried tons of things with clones to gain knowledge etc but the hax still remains vague
But he would know that he can create healing more time for himself by:
- Flying up
- Moving FTE (to escape)
- Dooming the place with his power creating kms deep hole
This could be a stomp i think
Despite meliodas actually being stronger, he seemingly cant tag Durendal due to time skip
Maybe it comes down to stamina?
I still think i am leaning less and less to Meliodas because of that p*ss* hax spam
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I second this. Sayonara
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What i meant was that Meliodas can immediately detect another incoming attack.Uh, yeah it is. Also prove it's headcanon by watching Kamen Rider Saber and disproving it
The issue was they couldn't really hit Durendal for the most part, let alone his skill which is ridiculous to say the least, Meliodas will have problems so much as hitting Durendal, let alone actually killing him
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When Durendal gets out of time hax, he has yet to attack
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