"Here's a better question... do you wanna have bad time?" - Sans Profile Rework!

[XxZetsuxX]

I know I am just pissed at how Sans gets all the glory and Pap all the piss.

Haha XD

Thats tuff

 

[XxZetsuxX]

But like, Is there really no other ability for paps aside from the selective additional intangible attacks?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

But like, Is there really no other ability for paps aside from the selective additional intangible attacks?

Toon Force

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Toon Force

That's already added, Albeit limited

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Mabye photographic memory?

I believe there is a moment where he says he basically remembers every conversation of a phone call?

 

[StrymULTRA]

That's already added, Albeit limited

Then he should have it full. Sans having it full is hypocrital.

 

[Catbowtie]

I read the Sans' Profile Rework and the only question I have is...What does Empathic Manipulation even do? Both the Passive and Activated. I already read the page for it, but what does it do in a practical sense?

Negative emotions uses​

• Weaken the enemy (via sorrow, guilt, regret)
• Cause an opponent to forfeit (Via fear)

Okay, so they feel bad. Now what? (Genuine question, non-sarcastic)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I read the Sans' Profile Rework and the only question I have is...What does Empathic Manipulation even do? Both the Passive and Activated. I already read the page for it, but what does it do in a practical sense?


Okay, so they feel bad. Now what? (Genuine question, non-sarcastic)

Make them forgive Sans so he can suprise attack them idk

Could be one of the uses

 

[Catbowtie]

It feels like it's supposed to affect State of Mind but State of Mind is largely useless in debates.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I read the Sans' Profile Rework and the only question I have is...What does Empathic Manipulation even do? Both the Passive and Activated. I already read the page for it, but what does it do in a practical sense?


Okay, so they feel bad. Now what? (Genuine question, non-sarcastic)

It makes opponent feel bad even if they are coldblooded murdered.

 

[ShionAH]

Okay, so they feel bad. Now what? (Genuine question, non-sarcastic)

Breaks the focus, makes it easier to SI and etc. It would be way harder to dodge and focus on using your magic when you are feeling all your sins physically crawling and jumping on you lol

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

The original post in its current state looks good.

 

[ShionAH]

bump

 

[ShionAH]

bump

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Really sad that sans and Asriel are the only ones with an animated sprite render

 

[LightSoul8]

Title said enough lil bro, click here

Spoiler: Additions

• Power Nullification (With his Special Attack, he is capable of indefinitely extending his turn by not taking it[2]. Ensuring that the enemy cannot attack, use equipment, talk, use abilities and interact with Sans[2])
• Invulnerability Negation and Empathic Manipulation (As the Judge, Sans is capable of fully controlling and using KARMA[2]. A type of poison effect which whittles the opponents HP down overtime2], affecting both their souls[2] and bodies[2] while also ignoring Frisk's Invulnerability Frames[2]. When poisoned by KARMA, the victims to feel guilt and regret as if their sins were crawling[2] and weighing on their backs[2]. Heavily implied to be capable of affecting Flowey, who lacks a SOUL[5])
• Selective Additional Intangibility (Is able to control and manipulate blue attacks[2] far better than his brother[2], which are attacks that can only be evaded if the target remains perfectly still, where even the slightest movement ensures a direct hit)
• Toon Force (Similar to his brother, Sans is capable of making strange and nonsensical things happen just for the sake of a jokes)
  • Air Manipulation (Has a self-sustaining tornado in his room[3])
  • Fire Manipulation (His room is constantly burning, but only from the outside[3])
  • Sound Manipulation (Is able to play the "ba dum tss" noise when he makes puns)
  • Spatial Manipulation (Created an infinitely layered joke book that contains a quantum physic book which contains a joke book which contains a quantum physic book and so on[3])

Agree: 1 (@AbaddonTheDisappointment (Neutral on InvNeg)
Disagree:

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There's a couple of things I'd like to mention:

•You could add (Basic) to Monster Physiology.

•Sans asking for the usual at Grillby's is already covered in the "Just by acting like an old time customer" bit, so the previous sentence should be removed.

•Driving Papyrus and Undyne crazy isn't really Social Influencing considering that they're both pretty easy to rile up. If it is SI, it's too weak to be of note.

•Neutral on Instigating Fear.

•Power Nullification should have a note clarifying that it only works on turn-based characters.

•I don't think KR is ever stated or implied to be actual poison, and the damage-over-time is already covered under Status Effect Inducement, so Poison Manipulation can be removed.


I agree with everything else.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

•Power Nullification should have a note clarifying that it only works on turn-based characters.

Don't we have a verse equalization rule for the wiki?

Why would this be only for turn based characters?

 

[LightSoul8]

Don't we have a verse equalization rule for the wiki?

Why would this be only for turn based characters?

Touche

 

[StrymULTRA]

•You could add (Basic) to Monster Physiology.

Nah. Sounds redundant, as no other UT profile does that.

 

[Lou_change]

Don't we have a verse equalization rule for the wiki?

Why would this be only for turn based characters?

Exploiting game mechanics doesn't fall under its purview
Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

There is also the fact most of the verse can do the same thing but just don't

 

[ShionAH]

Stop yapping yall, or I will touch you

Anyways bump, and points taken @LightSoul8

 

[Lou_change]

I was discussing the power null thing that was brought up. That said is possible the power null more because sans keeps your soul away from the Fight, Act, Item, and Mercy buttons then the his turn thing.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I was discussing the power null thing that was brought up. That said is possible the power null more because sans keeps your soul away from the Fight, Act, Item, and Mercy buttons then the his turn thing.

That’s why Power Nullification is under combat-applicable 4th wall breaking, bruh.

 

[Lou_change]

Are we going to accept the idea that to flee Frisk's soul grows legs and walks away before accepting the battle board and buttons might exist in universe.

 

[StrymULTRA]

the battle board and buttons might exist in universe.

That will never happen.

 

[Lou_change]

So what is all this stuff just a bunch nothing

 

[StrymULTRA]

So what is all this stuff just a bunch nothing

Unless you wanna say that Frisk's telephone is their SOUL or that Asriel/Asgore are 4 m tall for directly attacking the box, yes, it's a bunch of nothing.

 

[Lou_change]

Unless you wanna say that Frisk's telephone is their SOUL or that Asriel/Asgore are 4 m tall for directly attacking the box, yes, it's a bunch of nothing.

Does the phone have a key board mettaton refers to the on screen keyboard on console versions and where is the height from?

 

[LightSoul8]

Unless you wanna say that Frisk's telephone is their SOUL or that Asriel/Asgore are 4 m tall for directly attacking the box, yes, it's a bunch of nothing.

That seems like a false equivalency. Pretty sure there's a big difference between characters breaking the fourth wall (Muffet's spiders dancing to the music, Mettaton referencing the player's keyboard) and stylized assets like battle sprites being taken literally.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Bump

 

[ShionAH]

Bmp

 

[ShionAH]

Toon Force also seems fine

I added Vehicular Mastery so could you check that too? By the way can you call some staff

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Don't we need to remove Sans's matches?

Because this is a huge upgrade for him i think

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

While this does give him plenty of new abilities, most of them aren't all that useful in fights.
Time Stop becoming a baseline ability might remove some matches tho

 

[StrymULTRA]

Time Stop becoming a baseline ability might remove some matches tho

Nah, he cannot pull a Dio there. He can at best prepare attacks, not hit you in that time stop.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Nah, he cannot pull a Dio there. He can at best prepare attacks, not hit you in that time stop.

Meant it more in terms of dodging attacks and the such.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Meant it more in terms of dodging attacks and the such.

This was never shown in game lmao.

Do the staff here just say "ok this is fine" without playing the game and/or checking the profile in question?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

This was never shown in game lmao.

From what I've seen, sans teleporting away from big attacks gets argued a bunch in Versus Threads, despite the fact that he never does so in-canon.
Same thing will happen with the Time Stop I bet.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Regardless the fear thing has to go as I said earlier, same with the emphatic shit.

The fact that the staff here is just ignoring me is very bad...

 

[StrymULTRA]

From what I've seen, sans teleporting away from big attacks gets argued a bunch in Versus Threads, despite the fact he never does so in-canon.
Same thing will happen with the Time Stop I bet.

...so the Sans wank has reached this degree huh?

Well imma have fun with him if this thread passes, that's for sure.