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Makes no sense, what you said. Imaginary numbers are nowhere beside nonexistent physiology.
Also, even we follow your logic which makes no sense, your math is not mathing. Read NEP 2 if you don't mind
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Hellsing: Schrodinger revision
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Also, even we follow your logic which makes no sense, your math is not mathing. Read NEP 2 if you don't mind
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They're vampires, they live on blood. The priest drained multiple people and still only had one life. If every vampire gained a new life every time they drank a new person you'd think someone else other than Alucard might have a large stockpile, or any stockpile. And yet no other vampire is ever shown to have multiple lives. It's very questionable claiming that absorbing blood means absorbing it the same way as Alucard when only he has gained extra lives from it.
Every other vampire dies once and stays dead, proof they don't have more than one life. That is an anti-feat that contradicts them all absorbing extra lives.
You may have noticed I'm calm this time. Last time I was stressed after months of dealing with that thread and all the crap that came with it. This time I was just stating what's obviously true. You can't claim you were ever civil with me when you were always rude and aggressive, and you did come in at the end after that damned thread had gone on for months and now you've essentially continued it... You're well within your right to make a thread, but a few months to recover from the last one would have been nice...
This is the problem, you've asserted that erasing the blood erases the souls in the blood, and yet the souls in the blood weren't erased. We can't say souls in blood are erased but only Alucard's, nor can we say that because the major never specifies the other souls as well that means erasing the blood only erases Alucard and not all the other souls in the same blood.
That is one interpretation, indeed. He can certainly use blood to draw out the soul from the body. Still, other vampires can't seem to do it, the other souls in Alucard's erased blood weren't erased... This is a wacky situation.
The problem is that you have been asserting that erasing the blood necessitates that the soul is also erased. By that rule, we can't really say that the blood of 3 million souls was erased but only Alucard was erased while the others weren't just because the major targeted Alucard and stated he would disappear.
"this is you literally ignoring arguments since I've already explained why regenerating from the Erasure of blood would be mid-godly. The blood statement doesn't have a lot of ways to be interpreted, it's pretty straightforward." (my keyboard erased the quotation, because it's ornery)"
Currency or coinage is not as straightforward as saying it contains it. It could, but it's not as clear-cut as it could be. As I said, currency doesn't necessarily contain the value it transfers. It can be used to transfer it via other powers at work, but doesn't automatically contain it.
In fairness, you insulted me first calling me ignorant and saying I failed all the time. If you get to be aggressive as stated by Crabwhale who said you were being aggressive, then me being defensive and recognising that aggression shouldn't be seen as unreasonable.
And I wasn't gaslighting. When I said it was contrary, I meant that we can't say blood being erased also erases the souls and then say it can erase all the blood of millions while only erasing one of the millions of those souls, just because someone targeted them.
Imagine how I feel... This is right after I was heavily involved in that last thread... Couldn't we have waited a few months or something? Oh well.
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Because they aren't shown to be nearly as skilled as Alucard when it comes to vampire abilities, and no the Captain and co don't count as they're not vampires but wer-kin. That's not an anti-feat, nor does it contradict anything.
I've already said I'm done going back and forth with you, hold your horses and wait for others to decide with who they agree with.
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"Makes no sense" without explaining why it doesn't make any sense. Imaginary numbers are numbers that don't exist, and in terms of binary they represent numbers below or equal to 0.
Typical Dread moment.
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Aha, let me demonstrate how your math is genius. Mind explaining how you get into the conclusion being -1 = neither 0 and 1 lol?
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If you really read NEP 2, you would see, you need to be neither 0 and 1, but 2.
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Either way, I am still more confused, why would this even grant NEP 1 or NEP 3? Mind clarifying what are imaginary numbers in the verse because your OP lacks scans or even clarification.
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2: Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. Characters of this type often have some low degree of Transduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.
Maybe practice what you preach Dread since nowhere in the page does it say Type 2 NEP is a 2 in binary.
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In regards to NEP, it could be argued his body ceased to be, but it doesn't seem to be combat applicable. Plus the imaginary numbers thing has a small issue... The major has a habit of making hyperbolic statements. His terrorist attack is a war, his shooting match with Integra is a war, Schrodinger is omnipresent, etc. He's a bit of a big-talker.
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No way, brother thought -1 is NEP 2. I am done. I disagree fully for the whole NEP discussion. This should not be given.
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By war he means "conflict." which all you've stated is.
Also don't think he's ever called Schrodinger omnipresent.
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Imaginary numbers do not even grant NEP to begin with. AT maximum effort, abstract existence if there is any context.
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So basically you mean to tell me that you yourself have no idea on what type 2 is yet your acting like you do?
Dead.
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Imaginary numbers do not exist, so yes it would grant NEP as you in turn wouldn't exist.
Again practice what you preach and drop that smug ass attitude child.
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Scans? Your OP lacks this information.
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It seems like you're misunderstanding my argument.
I'm not arguing against the fact Alucard's soul stock isn't innately tied to him, i believe it is. What i'm saying is that Schrodinger could've possibly only targeted Alucard's soul and nothing else, which is why there's still blood remaining after Alucard was "erased", with that blood being the remaining soul stock from Alucard. This interpretation would logically address this contradiction without stepping into the realms of absurdity.
Also Schrodinger being initially absorbed into Alucard's soul stock isn't an inherent counter to my claim as i explained above. He could've only target Alucard's soul and nothing else, which is why there's blood remaining after Alucard was "erased".
There isn't any proof that his soul was disembodied, there's proof that he was erased completely, those aren't valid comparisons.
It doesn't require a leap in logic at all, my argument falls perfectly within reason to what could've possibly happen in this situation, just like your claim.
Some of his blood being left behind isn't an innate contradiction, but rather could be evidence to my claim, I've already explained why above and you haven't countered it yet.
Yes the statement is open to interpretation, i never disagreed with this so i have no idea why you're bringing this up, both claims are interpretations of the same evidence, both claims require an around equal amount of assumptions. This is what we call equal interpretations. Which is why i believe a "possibly" rating is the most correct rating in this situation since both interpretations are equally valid in my personal and logical opinion.
The comparison between coinage and currency in relation to blood within Hellsing isn't valid because we're talking distinctly non-physical entities, and it's directly shown that absorbing the blood of someone absorbs their soul and consciousness, which is shown by Alucard and Seras. Stop making this comparison because it isn't applicable under this context.
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A quick Google search is all thats needed amongst having ya know, common sense.
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His statement that Schrodinger is everywhere and nowhere is verifiably false as accepted by the Wiki.
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No way? I am asking if imaginary numbers in the verse are nonexistent and not in a damn wikipidia.
No really? You clown me there and think I am dumb person who does not know NEP, even tho I contribute in a lot of NEP CRTs to have knowledge.
Even tho you have 0 scans, whatsoever and other member said it is mostly hyperbolic. Calm down and stick to subject, you clowning me would lead nothing.
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I believe that got removed for the fact that "everywhere and nowhere." doesn't necessarily mean omnipresence, especially in this context since it's more "I can be anywhere as long as I want." but yeah, omnipresence isn't a thing but then again it was removed for other reason other than "hyperbolic".
Now would you be willing to agree on a possibly? I don't think either one of us has the time for argue here.
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If Imaginary numbers are innately neither 1 or 0, but rather -1 then we should assume it would be the same within Hellsing without further contradiction.
I don't see the reason why we should assume otherwise when that's what Imaginary numbers literally are.
I don't see the reason why we should assume otherwise when that's what Imaginary numbers literally are.
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I will ignore the OP as he was constantly clowning me, and now he is provoking me with the meme. I will only respond to @Deceived3596 as he is at least polite and reasonable.Everybody please try to calm down and be polite here.
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W.Everybody please try to calm down and be polite here.
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The issue is that Schrodinger isn't so much targeting Alucard in the Soul stock as he is getting mixed with all Alucard's other souls and causing the whole thing to vanish. The equation as stated by the major is literally Schrodinger plus soul stock inside Alucard equals it all vanishes at once, and this is demonstrated when Alucard returns by destroying the soul stock. If Alucard got erased but his soul stock didn't that would suggest it was only Alucard and Schrodinger who vanished, which has trouble blending with the fact that Schrodinger combining with the soul stock was what caused the vanish, and Alucard killing the soul stock was what allowed him and Schrodinger to return.
The reason it relates is because the blood is specifically referred to as coinage or currency. It's why I wonder if the soul is in the blood or if the blood just serves as a means to steal it. Granted it does resemble the myths about absorbing souls via cannibalism, and pretty much all religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.)seeing cannibalism as not just evil but demonic, so maybe.
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I changed my stance.... I disagree with NEP 3. First it's done via an ability or external source and it's not part from Alucards being... This instead is Void Manipulation
Disagree with Type 2 as well, trying to equate Math to NEP when NEP has nothing to do with math apart from the binary requirements which is the verse doesn't treat something as their equals in terms of binary then it doesn't matter. There's requirements of further nonexistence beyond conventional nonexistence which is not even shown here, doesn't even fulfill the Lower Degree of TD that the ability could give as imaginary numbers aren't close to duality themselves, neither live or dead is just immortality 5 and imaginary numbers in this context could only give some kind of AE, conceptual existence or smth.
- Conversion to Nonexistence: The user of this ability might be capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time and/or concept to nothing. Note that most users of this ability have not the full range of the ability. Further note that one shouldn't list a character to have resistance against this ability in total, as that requires a character to have shown resistance against every imaginable ability which can erase a target.
Disagree with Type 2 as well, trying to equate Math to NEP when NEP has nothing to do with math apart from the binary requirements which is the verse doesn't treat something as their equals in terms of binary then it doesn't matter. There's requirements of further nonexistence beyond conventional nonexistence which is not even shown here, doesn't even fulfill the Lower Degree of TD that the ability could give as imaginary numbers aren't close to duality themselves, neither live or dead is just immortality 5 and imaginary numbers in this context could only give some kind of AE, conceptual existence or smth.
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This is not the point. You need to prove that in the verse setting, it is like this. Also, where is context? Scans?
Ya Tensura also has imaginary numbers, but it leads to nothing since no context whatsoever clarified the term.
So I am kindly asking for scans since the OP does not provide any. And if the only source is Wikipedia, then this is terrible support evidence. Equating math to NEP is only operating if the verse showed enough context for it.
Furthermore, judging from the description, it is not even NEP to begin with. This is void manipulation if the description is accurate or valid to begin with.
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Oh, I did not know about this. Ya, it seems to be AE type 1 support then.
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Anyone saying the OP lacks scans obviously lacks eyesight since I've provided plenty of scans of the statements made.
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Why didn't you said this earlier then?
This was for Imaginary numbers related to type 2 suggestion and nothing related to the Type 3 with Schrodinger
Yeah something like that.
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Because Alucard absorbed Schrodinger. Perhaps I should have specified that it's a being since now reading it could seem like a power lol.
So you agree with Type 3 at the very least?
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Ya, AE type 1 seems more reasonable in this case. I also thought about it before (before you told me) because the context sounds more conceptual existence/abstract existence.
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Combining with his soul stock, which was the reason why he was erased =/= would've innately erased his soul stock alongside Alucard, especially when it's arguably implied he's only targeting Alucard himself. These actions don't necessarily follow each other.
How exactly would that be a contradiction against Schrodinger specifically targeting Alucard and not his soul stock? honestly that seems like more supporting evidence for our claim more than anything tbh.
This is why i'm saying we should assume a "possibly" rating, since we're arguing about interpretations which are both equally possible. We don't need to go multiple pages arguing the same points over and over again ad nauseam when it isn't needed, nor is it logical.
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Yeah that's fair tbh I overlooked this being a form of AE.
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If he has already absorbed Schrodinger and it's already part of it's being then I could see the NEP... But I want scans or any proof that shows him using the schrodinger as NEP application.
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Also, if you did not know, the scan you sent me is actually a quantum physics reference. Has really nothing to do with abilities or NEP.
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