Grappler Baki: Making a Tier 7 verse Tier 7

[StretchSebe]

Also, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure if it were just regular glass it wouldn't bend, and fragment like it had done in the scan. I think that the way it did can be explained by ballistic glass utilizing plastic/polycarbonate lamination, allowing for more resistance/deforming before breaking.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Also regular glass wouldn't hold pickle.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with Magnitude 6 btw

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Seems like a lot of content revision for Baki is being talked about here: Nearly done with the Yujiro Glass thing btw. If I was actually supposed to use the thickness of the glass as distance instead of the distance he walked, yall get ready for (probably) another Class M feat

Glass has already been done inn this calc blog though it doesnt take the extra steps you do

Grappler Baki LS

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Magnitude 5	NikHelton, Passerby
Magnitude 5.5	Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, SheevShezarrine
Magnitude 6	CloverDragon03, Serlock_Holmes, SheevShezarrine, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Maverick_Zero_X

 

[HammerStrikes219]

At around 0:50, we do see the buildings more clearly than in the manga, but I am uncertain about whatever we treated the anime as secondary canon or not.

For the most part, the buildings are intact it seems.

Edit: I will also note that this is after the Earthquake feat as well.

 

[ByAsura]

Magnitude 5	NikHelton, Passerby
Magnitude 5.5	Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, SheevShezarrine
Magnitude 6	CloverDragon03, Serlock_Holmes, SheevShezarrine, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Maverick_Zero_X

I'm fine with any of these, btw.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I thinking between magnitude 5 and 5.5 will been more appropriate if we counting the anime version’s aftermath of the Earthquake feat because the buildings ain’t exactly shown any damage and same can been said for the light posts.

If we exclude that, then between Magnitude 5 and 5.5 gets my vote

 

[HammerStrikes219]

It also has to due with the fact that fences aren't really proper concrete structures that are the most susceptible to earthquakes

They're solid metal and have alot more rigidity than other structures along with less mass to shake

Here's a 6.4 magnitude quake in Puerta Ricco and you can see that the light poles as well as that bell structure are perfectly fine while the building crumbled

Puerto Rico Earthquake Aftermath Worsens; Government Overwhelmed

Puerto Rico is struggling to recover from a 6.4-magnitude earthquake that killed one person, injured nine others and severely damaged infrastructure on the southwest coast

www.voanews.com

Tbf, not all fences are made out of metal as I recall there are wood fences. Not that matter since we are clearly shown metal fences with the scene in question. Both anime and manga wise

Also as a note, do keep mind the distance from the epicenter of the Earthquake should been factored in as well. Edit: The light post is shown having a single light bulb being damaged so not entirely correct

Still fair enough.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Magnitude 5	NikHelton, Passerby, ByAsura, HammerStrikes219
Magnitude 5.5	Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, SheevShezarrine, ByAsura, HammerStrikes219
Magnitude 6	CloverDragon03, Serlock_Holmes, SheevShezarrine, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Maverick_Zero_X, ByAsura, HammerStrikes219

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Since we already have enough votes to go ahead and apply the CRT imma give it a few hours before I go ahead and reapply the 7-C rating

Speak now or forever hold your peace

 

[SheevShezarrine]

I thinking between magnitude 5 and 5.5 will been more appropriate if we counting the anime version’s aftermath of the Earthquake feat because the buildings ain’t exactly shown any damage and same can been said for the light posts.

If we exclude that, then between Magnitude 5 and 5.5 gets my vote

Keep in mind that the sizeable majority of up-to-date structures in Japan are built to withstand quakes, and quite frequently of that magnitude, no less

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Since we already have enough votes to go ahead and apply the CRT imma give it a few hours before I go ahead and reapply the 7-C rating

Speak now or forever hold your peace

Let’s not been hesitant here as I want some staff input here.
Also I only agree with between 5.0 and 5.5

At around 0:50, we do see the buildings more clearly than in the manga, but I am uncertain about whatever we treated the anime as secondary canon or not.

For the most part, the buildings are intact it seems.

Edit: I will also note that this is after the Earthquake feat as well.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Keep in mind that the sizeable majority of up-to-date structures in Japan are built to withstand quakes, and quite frequently of that magnitude, no less

Yes, but the main point is if it was a magnitude 6, there should been some damage like broken lights, broken windows, and so on inside of buildings and damaged light posts if we factoring in the anime version of the aftermath of the Earthquake feat.

Hell, by the very description for magnitude 6 (At least on wikipedia page in question)

“Damage to a moderate number of well-built structures in populated areas. Earthquake-resistant structures survive with slight to moderate damage. Poorly designed structures receive moderate to severe damage. Felt in wider areas; up to hundreds of kilometers from the epicenter. Strong to violent shaking in the epicentral area”

I believe we already cited multiple sources that confirmed it as well

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Let’s not been hesitant here as I want some staff input here.

We've had 3 staff agree with it as well as half a dozen calc members

I'm sure it's fine

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Yes, but the main point is if it was a magnitude 6, there should been some damage like broken lights, broken windows, and so on inside of buildings and damaged light posts if we factoring in the anime version of the aftermath of the Earthquake feat.

Hell, by the very description for magnitude 6 (At least on wikipedia page in question)

“Damage to a moderate number of well-built structures in populated areas. Earthquake-resistant structures survive with slight to moderate damage. Poorly designed structures receive moderate to severe damage. Felt in wider areas; up to hundreds of kilometers from epicenter. Strong to violent shaking in the epicentral area”

I believe we already cited multiple sources that confirmed it as well

Slight damage wouldn't exactly be very perceptible at that distance and light level. And with Japan being in the top 3 of the most geologically active nations on the planet, as well as comfortably being the most wealthy of those 3, it's fair to say it's most likely on the bleeding edge of quake-resistant architectural developments, and would especially spare no expense when it comes to important structures such as airfields and military bases, as well as structures in the immediate vicinity. So slight, if any, damage is the most likely outcome in this context

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Slight damage wouldn't exactly be very perceptible at that distance and light level. And with Japan being in the top 3 of the most geologically active nations on the planet, as well as comfortably being the most wealthy of those 3, it's fair to say it's most likely on the bleeding edge of quake-resistant architectural developments, and would especially spare no expense when it comes to important structures such as airfields and military bases, as well as structures in the immediate vicinity. So slight, if any, damage is the most likely outcome in this context

Yes, but how about the light posts? I do find it hard to believe the light posts being supposedly damaged assuming this is in fact a magnitude 6.0 and not less than magnitude 5. Same applies to magnitude 5, but with very little damage shown.

We've had 3 staff agree with it as well as half a dozen calc members

I'm sure it's fine

Only 1 calc member in the voting tally at the moment which is Clover. However, 3 staff members is probably fine although I should update a bit,

Magnitude 5	NikHelton, Passerby, ByAsura, HammerStrikes219
Magnitude 5.5	Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, SheevShezarrine, ByAsura, HammerStrikes219
Magnitude 6	CloverDragon03, Serlock_Holmes, SheevShezarrine, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Maverick_Zero_X, ByAsura

A bit better now

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Oh, I also forget to add, that shouldn’t we also see damages on the ground as well? Like I don’t know, cracks, fractures, and shit?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Only 1 calc member in the voting tally at the moment which is Clover. However, 3 staff members is probably fine although I should update a bit,

A bit better now

Just the two admins currently agreeing are enough

The third one was on the second page agreeing with 7-C as well

Same with all the calc memebers from the first two pages in agreement with 7-C

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Just the two admins currently agreeing are enough

The third one was on the second page agreeing with 7-C as well

Same with all the calc memebers from the first two pages in agreement with 7-C

Okay, then. I assume this only scales to a few characters at least and of course, the guy who performs the feat casually.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Oh, I also forget to add, that shouldn’t we also see damages on the ground as well? Like I don’t know, cracks, fractures, and shit?

Depends on the composition of the building material. Even under just the umbrella of concrete, there's a shitton of different varieties with a wide berth of properties. The airfield could well be paved with a concrete mix that's sufficiently durable for constant compressive wear, but also pliable to weather tremors

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Depends on the composition of the building material. Even under just the umbrella of concrete, there's a shitton of different varieties with a wide berth of properties. The airfield could well be paved with a concrete mix that's sufficiently durable for constant compressive wear, but also pliable to weather tremors

Fair enough, but I ain’t exactly sold on magnitude 6 personally myself. I lean more between 5.0 and 5.5.
Also I don’t mean just the concrete sidewalks and shit. I meant the grass and so on as they are technically affected by the earthquake.

Soil wise is what I mean.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Okay, then. I assume this only scales to a few characters at least and of course, the guy who performs the feat casually.

It's reserved for Top tiers and God tiers

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Fair enough, but I ain’t exactly sold on magnitude 6 personally myself. I lean more between 5.0 and 5.5.
Also I don’t mean just the concrete sidewalks and shit. I meant the grass and so on as they are technically affected by the earthquake.

Soil wise is what I mean.

That is also quite dependent on composition. More solid and dry soil types are liable to crack, but with softer moister types, they won't be visibly screwed up quite as much

 

[HammerStrikes219]

That is also quite dependent on composition. More solid and dry soil types are liable to crack, but with softer moister types, they won't be visibly screwed up quite as much

Yeah, that is something I should expect given how many variables there is for aftereffects of a Earthquake.

Well, regardless, it is settled anyway.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

It's reserved for Top tiers and God tiers

Baki, Yujiro, Yuichiro, Musashi, Pickle and maybe Kaku? Also we need to clear up Retsu's isekai.

 

[ByAsura]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Orochi scale to Yujiro in the same phase of Baki as the earthquake feat?

 

[NikHelton]

Yes, this also applies to Orochi, Hanayama, Sukune, Olive, Jack

 

[NikHelton]

Magnitude 5.0 seems to be much more consistent and is a safe method.

Even taking into account Ogre's feat in issekai, and that feat is the most impressive in the entire Baki franchise, the verse is still in tier 8

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Nah none of them would scale to it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Orochi scale to Yujiro in the same phase of Baki as the earthquake feat?

I don't think he scales. He was no diffed by him.

Magnitude 5.0 seems to be much more consistent and is a safe method.

Mag 6 has been decided by everyone though including 3 staff members and calc group members. Even before the voting by DMUA and Armor.

Even taking into account Ogre's feat in issekai, and that feat is the most impressive in the entire Baki franchise, the verse is still in tier 8

But it still was compared as nothing to Yujiro.

 

[Passersby]

appearently the isekai retsu isn't confirmed as canon, and the author didn't even work on the story and simply allowed it to be published


so we're back to square 1,

 

[NikHelton]

Nah none of them would scale to it.

Musashi breaks your whole balance. He can cut Pickle's collarbone, but he can't cut Hanayama's bones. He is able to survive the strongest blows of Pickle and Baki, but is ready to die from the blows of Hanayama. Baki believes that Sukune is dangerous to him and uses the same techniques against him as against Pickle to reduce the difference in physical strength. Jack and Olive defeat Sukune.

I don't think he scales. He was no diffed by him.

And he also inflicted serious damage on him

Mag 6 has been decided by everyone though including 3 staff members and calc group members. Even before the voting by DMUA and Armor.

The lower magnitude was accepted by Therefir, and ByAsura supported any of them. This is enough so that the decision is not final

But it still was compared as nothing to Yujiro.

Yes, that's why Yujiro scales up to that

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

appearently the isekai retsu isn't confirmed as canon, and the author didn't even work on the story and simply allowed it to be published


so we're back to square 1,

Yeah I mean a statement from him would make it canon and he damn should because the story is better than current baki but yeah.

So Yujiro, Baki and co go back to 7-C. I would only scale Yuji, Baki, Yuichi, Musashi and maybe Kaku and Pickle.

Also damn I want a profile for isekai Retsu. Retsu is best character. Also make it canon Itagaki you shit. You killed Retsu so make him living his isekai life canon.

Musashi breaks your whole balance. He can cut Pickle's collarbone, but he can't cut Hanayama's bones. He is able to survive the strongest blows of Pickle and Baki, but is ready to die from the blows of Hanayama. Baki believes that Sukune is dangerous to him and uses the same techniques against him as against Pickle to reduce the difference in physical strength. Jack and Olive defeat Sukune.

Hanayama is abnormally tough yes. But his full power punch only gives Yujiro a nosebleed so I can't consider him on par with others. Sukune I actually haven't read cause I don't like sumo and the arc. I have skipped straight to Rahen where Jack will probably get a powerup.

And he also inflicted serious damage on him

What damage? The wrinkles on his clothes?

The lower magnitude was accepted by Therefir, and ByAsura supported any of them. This is enough so that the decision is not final

And 7-c by Armor, ByAsura, Andy, Maverick and a Possibly from Qwased. Ovens never offered an opinion. Also Dmua supported the feat as he made the thread.

Yes, that's why Yujiro scales up to that

So 7-C is totally in line with his power. Also Passer did say it's non canon (thanks for nothing itagaki you idiot) so we are back to this.

appearently the isekai retsu isn't confirmed as canon, and the author didn't even work on the story and simply allowed it to be published

No but seriously why in god's name didn't he make it canon. It's amazing and would enrich the verse so much. He had fricking Yuichiro coming as a soul and a death knight is his problem.

 

[Passersby]

I mean a statement from him would make it canon

i don't know about that, he didn't work on the story himself, so i don't really think he can make it canon tbh, but i don't know how canonicity works in this case really

 

[NikHelton]

So Yujiro, Baki and co go back to 7-C. I would only scale Yuji, Baki, Yuichi, Musashi and maybe Kaku and Pickle.

Retsu and Hanayama dealt Musashi no less damage than Baki. Are they scaled too?

Hanayama is abnormally tough yes. But his full power punch only gives Yujiro a nosebleed so I can't consider him on par with others. Sukune I actually haven't read cause I don't like sumo and the arc. I have skipped straight to Rahen where Jack will probably get a powerup.

What damage? The wrinkles on his clothes?

He didn't take any damage so much that he was pushed back and used his Back

And 7-c by Armor, ByAsura, Andy, Maverick and a Possibly from Qwased. Ovens never offered an opinion. Also Dmua supported the feat as he made the thread.

The disagreement of one member of the calculation group is enough to cast doubt on the feat. Call Therefir to express his opinion

So 7-C is totally in line with his power. Also Passer did say it's non canon (thanks for nothing itagaki you idiot) so we are back to this.

There is no logic in your words. Yujiro scales above the most powerful feat in verse, which is 8-A and therefore he is 7-C? This is not how it works

 

[Passersby]

Also damn I want a profile for isekai Retsu

if he has enough feats you can make one yk,

 

[Twellas]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Orochi scale to Yujiro in the same phase of Baki as the earthquake feat?

100% lol, as a matter of fact, this feat would quite literally scale to every single character in the maximum tournament and after lmao.
Baki after seeing Yujiro perform the feat was 100% confident Doppo could defeat Yujiro. Doppo was beating the DOGSHIT out of Yujiro in the fight to the point where Yujiro was getting mad because he couldn't do anything to him. He had to enter Demon Back (which, as we know from Baki, even an imperfect demon back can cover a no-sell level gap). Doppo then goes on to be stated to be inferior to Katsumi (who, BTW, the same Doppo considers him to be "the strongest man" and he thinks he can beat ANYONE) and then pretty much everyone in the Maximum tournament end up scaling in some way or another to Doppo and Katsumi.
Oh also, the mach punch was created by Katsumi in collaboration with Doppo in order to beat Yujiro, Hanayama eats like 4 of those without even getting wobbled.

People try and "fix" this by saying that Doppo got weaker after the Yujiro fight, which is not only never stated or even implied (the only thing that can even remotely be considered to imply this is the fact that Doppo says that his current level is "nothing" if he wants to beat Yujiro, which is a statement given with the knowledge that 1)Yujiro has the demon back and 2)Yujiro gets constantly stronger at an insane rate, so it doesn't even necessarily mean Doppo is any weaker than he was, especially since he himself thinks that his rehabilitation went well and everyone of his students, who spar him daily considers him to "be back") it's outright debunked by things such as Katsumi being shocked at how good his physique is in NGB (Katsumi would obviously know Doppo's physique during the first saga of the series) and, most directly, in the most recent series, where Doppo is stated to be "the same" as he was at the time of his debut in the arena and he "doesn't show the slightest sign of aging" (so yeah, age being a factor in him getting weaker is debunked, not that it was a reasonable logic to begin with given how Shibukawa is older than Doppo and still kicking).

Now, let's ignore Doppo for a second, let's just say he got weaker (he didn't). Then, what about Motobe? Motobe could tank hits from Yujiro without sustaining any serious injury, could manipulate his joints and was considered worthy of seeing Yujiro's demon back. Motobe would then go on to be completely humiliated in the MT. Did motobe also get weaker?

The only real "debunk" to this is "well, Doppo and Motobe struggle with X and Y character, but then Yujiro comes up and no-diffs them, this must mean they got weaker", which is a non argument, because the very first thing (and I'm not kidding, this is the first scene where Yujiro gets mentioned) we are told about Yujiro in the ENTIRE SERIES is that he grows stronger (and more skilled) at an INSANE rate, to the point where Strydum is like "during the few minutes we've spent talking, Yujiro just got stronger". So Yujiro no-diffing characters that scale to people who previously beat him is not a debunk to the fact that said people scale to him, it's just proof of Yujiro getting stronger at a faster rate than anyone else since their first fight.

Yujiro is a constantly moving goal-post: in NGB Kaku Kaioh was 100% down to fighting a demon back Yujiro, drew blood from him, and only resorted to playing dead once he was 100% sure he'd die, meanwhile, at the start of the Pickle arc he straight up says he wouldn't even TRY to fight a casual Pickle, the same Pickle who would go on to be hurt severely by Katsumi. In the same vein, Retsu in SoO is stated to be "the best in the 4000 year history of Chinese martial arts", which is also supported by the fact that he mastered Shaori in only a few days, while it took Kaku several decades to do so.
This is portrayed as late as the end of Baki Dou 2, where a post-father-son-fight Baki (who btw, upped his training to the point where he is getting VISIBLY bigger, and I don't think i need to tell you how good baki did against Yujiro during that fight) states that he couldn't possibly beat Sukune in a head on fight to the point where his body instinctively used a technique to negate his durability, Yujiro one-shots him casually.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

if he has enough feats you can make one yk,

I unfortunately don't have time to personally make one else Riley would be my first. And also Van.

i don't know about that, he didn't work on the story himself, so i don't really think he can make it canon tbh, but i don't know how canonicity works in this case really

He can still apply it. Canonicity is only decided by the author's or the publishers intent and not whether he writes it or not. Sorry if he says Retsu's manga is a canon continuation of what happens to him any such statements would scale to the main manga. Well at least if it holds up. If he busts a mountain i don't know if it will scale even if he claims that. Regardless I can't find good proof of it being canon. Might try it some other time. All I could find was the japanese page I send and we would need a translator for that.

The disagreement of one member of the calculation group is enough to cast doubt on the feat. Call Therefir to express his opinion

Look I am tired of this. Can't respond anymore. You are way too hardheaded.

There is no logic in your words. Yujiro scales above the most powerful feat in verse, which is 8-A and therefore he is 7-C? This is not how it works

It's good that he also has a 7-C feat.

Anyway I'm tired of this. Someone close this and apply the changes if it's over. Once I have more free time I might compile Retsu's isekai feats and also see the Baki Rahen if it has anything important for Jack.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

100% lol, as it goes, this feat would quite literally scale to every single character in the maximum tournament and after lmao.
Baki after seeing Yujiro perform the feat was 100% confident Doppo could defeat Yujiro. Doppo was beating the DOGSHIT out of Yujiro in the fight to the point where Yujiro was getting mad because he couldn't do anything to him. He had to enter Demon Back (which, as we know from Baki, even an imperfect demon back can cover a no-sell level gap). Doppo then goes on to be stated to be inferior to Katsumi (who, BTW, the same Doppo considers to be "the strongest man" and he thinks he can beat ANYONE) and then pretty much everyone in the Maximum tournament end up scaling in some way or another to Doppo and Katsumi.
Oh also, the mach punch was created by Katsumi in collaboration with Doppo in order to beat Yujiro, Hanayama eats like 4 of those without even getting wobbled.

People try and "fix" this by saying that Doppo got weaker after the Yujiro fight, which is not only never stated or even implied (the only thing that can even remotely be considered to imply this is the fact that Doppo says that his current level is "nothing" if he wants to beat Yujiro, which is a statement given with the knowledge that 1)Yujiro has the demon back and 2)Yujiro gets constantly stronger at an insane rate, so it doesn't even necessarily mean Doppo is any weaker than he was, especially since he himself thinks that his rehabilitation went well and everyone of his students, who spar him daily considers him to "be back") it's outright debunked by things such as Katsumi being shocked at how good his physique is in NGB (Katsumi would obviously know Doppo's physique during the first saga of the series) and, most directly, in the most recent series, where Doppo is stated to be "the same" as he was at the time of his debut in the arena and he "doesn't show the slightest sign of aging" (so yeah, age being a factor in him getting weaker is debunked, not that it was a reasonable logic to begin with given how Shibukawa is older than Doppo and still kicking).

Now, let's ignore Doppo for a second, let's just say he got weaker (he didn't). Then, what about Motobe? Motobe could tank hits from Yujiro without sustaining any serious injury, could manipulate his joints and was considered worthy of seeing Yujiro's demon back. Motobe would then go on to be completely humiliated in the MT. Did motobe also get weaker?

The only real "debunk" to this is "well, Doppo and Motobe struggle with X and Y character, but then in the MT Yujiro comes up and no-diffs them, this must mean they got weaker", which is a non argument, because the very first thing we are told about Yujiro in the ENTIRE SERIES is that he grows stronger (and more skilled) at an INSANE rate, to the point where Strydum is like "during the few minutes we've spent talking, Yujiro just got stronger". So Yujiro no-diffing characters that scale to people who previously beat him is not a debunk to the fact that said people scale to him, it's just proof of Yujiro getting stronger at a faster rate than anyone else.

Yujiro is a constantly moving goal-post: in NGB Kaku Kaioh was 100% down to fighting a demon back Yujiro, drew blood from him, and only resorted to playing dead once he was 100% sure he'd die, meanwhile, at the start of the Pickle arc he straight up says he wouldn't even TRY to fight a casual Pickle, the same Pickle who would go on to be hurt by Katsumi. In the same vein, Retsu in SoO is stated to be "the best in the 4000 year history of Chinese martial arts", which is also supported by the fact that he mastered Shaori in only a few days, while it took Kaku several decades to do so.
This is portrayed as late as the end of Baki Dou 2, where a post-father-son-fight Baki (who btw, upped his training to the point where he is getting VISIBLY bigger, and I don't think i need to tell you how good baki did against Yujiro during that fight) states that he couldn't possibly beat Sukune in a head on fight to the point where his body instinctively used a technique to negate his durability, Yujiro one-shots him casually.

Is Yujiro like Beerus? Probably yes. At this point Superman could come and Yujiro would one shot him. He is even a moving goal post in the fricking isekai.

But anyways I just don't want everyone to scale to his feat. I still consider it absurd so I would only prefer the god tiers to scale. Maybe the others can scale to all the other feats except this one.

Also what is your opinion on this thread? Is the calc valid and if yes what mag are you supporting?

And I would like to see in Itagaki's mind how much Yujiro's power has increased since the start fo the manga. Funny thing is Baki also has a crazy development just below his father.

 

[NikHelton]

100% lol, as it goes, this feat would quite literally scale to every single character in the maximum tournament and after lmao.
Baki after seeing Yujiro perform the feat was 100% confident Doppo could defeat Yujiro. Doppo was beating the DOGSHIT out of Yujiro in the fight to the point where Yujiro was getting mad because he couldn't do anything to him. He had to enter Demon Back (which, as we know from Baki, even an imperfect demon back can cover a no-sell level gap). Doppo then goes on to be stated to be inferior to Katsumi (who, BTW, the same Doppo considers to be "the strongest man" and he thinks he can beat ANYONE) and then pretty much everyone in the Maximum tournament end up scaling in some way or another to Doppo and Katsumi.
Oh also, the mach punch was created by Katsumi in collaboration with Doppo in order to beat Yujiro, Hanayama eats like 4 of those without even getting wobbled.

People try and "fix" this by saying that Doppo got weaker after the Yujiro fight, which is not only never stated or even implied (the only thing that can even remotely be considered to imply this is the fact that Doppo says that his current level is "nothing" if he wants to beat Yujiro, which is a statement given with the knowledge that 1)Yujiro has the demon back and 2)Yujiro gets constantly stronger at an insane rate, so it doesn't even necessarily mean Doppo is any weaker than he was, especially since he himself thinks that his rehabilitation went well and everyone of his students, who spar him daily considers him to "be back") it's outright debunked by things such as Katsumi being shocked at how good his physique is in NGB (Katsumi would obviously know Doppo's physique during the first saga of the series) and, most directly, in the most recent series, where Doppo is stated to be "the same" as he was at the time of his debut in the arena and he "doesn't show the slightest sign of aging" (so yeah, age being a factor in him getting weaker is debunked, not that it was a reasonable logic to begin with given how Shibukawa is older than Doppo and still kicking).

Now, let's ignore Doppo for a second, let's just say he got weaker (he didn't). Then, what about Motobe? Motobe could tank hits from Yujiro without sustaining any serious injury, could manipulate his joints and was considered worthy of seeing Yujiro's demon back. Motobe would then go on to be completely humiliated in the MT. Did motobe also get weaker?

The only real "debunk" to this is "well, Doppo and Motobe struggle with X and Y character, but then in the MT Yujiro comes up and no-diffs them, this must mean they got weaker", which is a non argument, because the very first thing we are told about Yujiro in the ENTIRE SERIES is that he grows stronger (and more skilled) at an INSANE rate, to the point where Strydum is like "during the few minutes we've spent talking, Yujiro just got stronger". So Yujiro no-diffing characters that scale to people who previously beat him is not a debunk to the fact that said people scale to him, it's just proof of Yujiro getting stronger at a faster rate than anyone else since their first fight.

Yujiro is a constantly moving goal-post: in NGB Kaku Kaioh was 100% down to fighting a demon back Yujiro, drew blood from him, and only resorted to playing dead once he was 100% sure he'd die, meanwhile, at the start of the Pickle arc he straight up says he wouldn't even TRY to fight a casual Pickle, the same Pickle who would go on to be hurt by Katsumi. In the same vein, Retsu in SoO is stated to be "the best in the 4000 year history of Chinese martial arts", which is also supported by the fact that he mastered Shaori in only a few days, while it took Kaku several decades to do so.
This is portrayed as late as the end of Baki Dou 2, where a post-father-son-fight Baki (who btw, upped his training to the point where he is getting VISIBLY bigger, and I don't think i need to tell you how good baki did against Yujiro during that fight) states that he couldn't possibly beat Sukune in a head on fight to the point where his body instinctively used a technique to negate his durability, Yujiro one-shots him casually.

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