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Grappler Baki: Making a Tier 7 verse Tier 7

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Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
After looking through this I actually think 5.5 to 6 would be the best option

Minimum of 5.5

This chart right here keeps track of all the major earthquakes in japan by year and within the past 14 days
www.worlddata.info

Recent earthquakes and their magnitudes in Japan

All current earthquakes in Japan and the list of the strongest historical disasters.
www.worlddata.info www.worlddata.info

As you can see just within the past 14 days they've had earthquakes ranging from 4.8 to 5.5 and when we look at the yearly review most major earthquakes are rarely below 6

Heres another interactive map showing all the earthquakes above 2.5 in the past year in japan

You can see that most of the major earthquakes are 5 and above with the largest earthquakes capping at 6

So I'd recommend a 5.5 and 6 magnitude end on that calc

Also in regards to the building not being destroyed, once again these are military grade buildings and skyscrapers which are meant to be able to take quakes ESPECIALLY in Japan where quakes are common
The Richter scale even points this out on Wikipedia
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Also one more thing to hammer home at least a 5 magnitude

All the characters are outside in this instance and are nowhere near any buildings

In most of the scales you can find online most point out that Magnitude 5 and above is the point where the shaking becomes noticeable OUTSIDE and not just notable in solid structures like buildings

Here are some examples

Richter scale - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
www.earthquakeauthority.com

How are Earthquakes Measured? Magnitude & Intensity Scales

Learn the difference between earthquake magnitude and intensity, and how these scales measure the size and impact of earthquakes. How do earthquakes get measured, and what's the difference between earthquake magnitude and intensity? Visit CEA to find out!
www.earthquakeauthority.com www.earthquakeauthority.com

Everyone behind Baki as well as Baki himself were struggling just to stand upright due to the strength of the earthquakes shaking
A magnitude less than 5 would not cause this kind of struggle as 5 and below are not even usually felt by everyone

Also note that these sources clarify that 5 magnitude is usually only "Moderate" shaking which is just more evidence pointing towards Mag 6 for this particular quake

I'm personally fine with anything 5 and above however I personally feel that 6 is the way to go
 
Yeah 6 is pretty good. Already quite conservative for probably a big earthquake in the country with the most seismic activity. I agree with 6 as well. Also Baki who is already trained in balance having difficulties even standing speaks volumes for the shaking caused.

Oh by the way any idea about Retsu avoiding the explosion? What's the likely explosive? Sth like a Claymore but smaller?
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Oh by the way any idea about Retsu avoiding the explosion? What's the likely explosive? Sth like a Claymore but smaller?
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If I calced it I'd use multiple explosive types

The fact that no-one in Baki ever uses more modern weaponry instead relying on gunpowder and the like make me lean towards explosives other than military grade explosives
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
If I calced it I'd use multiple explosive types

The fact that no-one in Baki ever uses more modern weaponry instead relying on gunpowder and the like make me lean towards explosives other than military grade explosives
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As long as those can be used the way Doyle used them it would be okay. It seemed to be controlled by his army and come out as a fireball type thing. Someone in the thread before mentioned a likely type. No idea if it holds up.
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
After looking through this I actually think 5.5 to 6 would be the best option

Minimum of 5.5

This chart right here keeps track of all the major earthquakes in japan by year and within the past 14 days
www.worlddata.info

Recent earthquakes and their magnitudes in Japan

All current earthquakes in Japan and the list of the strongest historical disasters.
www.worlddata.info www.worlddata.info

As you can see just within the past 14 days they've had earthquakes ranging from 4.8 to 5.5 and when we look at the yearly review most major earthquakes are rarely below 6

Heres another interactive map showing all the earthquakes above 2.5 in the past year in japan

You can see that most of the major earthquakes are 5 and above with the largest earthquakes capping at 6

So I'd recommend a 5.5 and 6 magnitude end on that calc

Also in regards to the building not being destroyed, once again these are military grade buildings and skyscrapers which are meant to be able to take quakes ESPECIALLY in Japan where quakes are common
The Richter scale even points this out on Wikipedia
Click to expand...

Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
After looking through this I actually think 5.5 to 6 would be the best option

Minimum of 5.5

This chart right here keeps track of all the major earthquakes in japan by year and within the past 14 days
www.worlddata.info

Recent earthquakes and their magnitudes in Japan

All current earthquakes in Japan and the list of the strongest historical disasters.
www.worlddata.info www.worlddata.info

As you can see just within the past 14 days they've had earthquakes ranging from 4.8 to 5.5 and when we look at the yearly review most major earthquakes are rarely below 6

Heres another interactive map showing all the earthquakes above 2.5 in the past year in japan

You can see that most of the major earthquakes are 5 and above with the largest earthquakes capping at 6

So I'd recommend a 5.5 and 6 magnitude end on that calc

Also in regards to the building not being destroyed, once again these are military grade buildings and skyscrapers which are meant to be able to take quakes ESPECIALLY in Japan where quakes are common
The Richter scale even points this out on Wikipedia
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Please find the statistics from the 90s if you want to operate on them.

Regarding how an earthquake feels outside - in my blog I described how ordinary people feel when they are on the street and what damage it causes.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Japan Meteorological Agency seismic intensity scale - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

On a scale of 2.5-3.4, "Overhead power lines sway. Perceptible to people outdoors" occurs outside. With residential buildings, "Houses may shake intensely. Light damage possible to homes with low earthquake resistance" occurs. With non-residential buildings that are protected from seismic activity, the following happens - "Light damage to older buildings with low earthquake resistance. Light damage possible to earthquake-resistant buildings."


At a magnitude of 3.4-4.4, the reaction of people outside is “Power lines sway. Tremors are perceptible to people outside” and this means that there is no electricity. Damage to residential buildings - "Light damage to less earthquake-resistant homes. Most homes shake intensely and walls may crack. Apartment buildings will shake." This is what happens in the manga. Houses are shaking, people are scared, there is minimal damage to buildings and objects. I will say more, during such an earthquake, earthquake-resistant premises may suffer a little, not to mention a wire fence.


At higher magnitudes, even earthquake-resistant structures suffer, windows break, and cracks appear along the walls.


Magnitude 5 is the maximum we can give based on what is seen in anime and manga.

We must build on what has been demonstrated.
Either way, it's a nice boost to the verse.
 
It was not demonstrated. Please do not ignore the facts that I have presented. I meticulously compared the earthquake from the manga with how magnitudes from 3.5 to 4.5 are characterized.
 
We don't see what happens to buildings. Your whole argument is taking a fence over a character's statement of the earthquake being a big one and Baki losing his footing.
 
You refer to buildings shaking - I show that buildings shake at lower magnitudes.
You are talking about a higher magnitude - I explain that neither the fence nor the windows were damaged by the earthquake.
The character could say anything. This may support the feat, but it is not a full-fledged argument. He doesn’t even specify the magnitude, but simply says that the earthquake is strong.

Baki almost fell because he was running and getting ready to jump. He was literally standing on one leg at that moment.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
We don't see what happens to buildings. Your whole argument is taking a fence over a character's statement of the earthquake being a big one and Baki losing his footing.
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i'm making a CRT to revise the earthquake feat, i will simply comment here what i already wrote about character statements in it


-statements.


a statement is simply a sentence that is a claim or is tmaking a point, there are many different types of statements.

statements can describe a wide variety of aspects, be it physical or non physical, the conclusion and the validity of the statement depends on what is being discussed and the context, it also has to be analyzed in order to determine wether it's true or false , statements themselves dont change anything, they just describe the feats shown within the series,so when used by themselves dont determine if something is true or false, they only determine whether something is true or false if the statement is based on something physical that is true within the series and has evidence directly or indirectly from that physical thing.


most characters aren't all knowing about everything, even characters who are knowledgeable about a certain subject can lie, they may not know everything about that subject or can simply be misinformed, sp their statement has to be shown to be true or is possible compared to what the subject is


for example: In the manga, political leaders state that yujiro is as strong as nuclear war heads

sure he said that, but does he know what he is talking about? did he ever drop a nuke on yujiro and he managed to simply tank it? is the information provided accurate and not simply a byproduct of his fear? Does he know everything about yujiro's abilities and strenght? there are other questions to be answered as well.

even if a the statements provided aren't contradicted that doesnt automatically mean the information is right. statements can be wrong or right no matter if its contradicted or not,all the characters do within the fictional setting is provide the information/statements, its up for the us to see if what is being said is true or possible based on the feats seen in the story and then analyze the info provided based on the context.


there are also Guidebook statements, and people generally just take them at face value


however, guidebooks are just supplemental information that expands upon feats from a fictional work, If it's information is contradicted by the fictional work it's describing or isn't backed up by any evidence then its most likely false.

for example, if a guidebook describes a character's attack potency to be 5B but he consistenly shows 7C feats, then the guidebook statement will be ignored


This is why statements that are describing physical phenomenons like AP, speed etc have to be analyzed on a step by step basis. The feats are what shows the physical changes that occur and the statements are just conclusions that can be true or false, so they should not be taken as evidence for feats
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you're taking a character's statement over the actual physical showings of the feat, that's not exactly how it works

based on the physical showings of the feat, a magnitude of 4,5 to 5 is the most optimal, any more would require more evidence, from what i've seen, most of the arguments for a higher magnitude are pure specualtion based on irl data and character statements that ignore the the damage the earthquake in baki made
 
NikHelton said:
Please find the statistics from the 90s if you want to operate on them.
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Earthquake frequencies and magnitudes in japan didn't just magically get weaker over time

The comparison with modern earthquakes is a valid way of finding out what constitutes as a "Big one"
NikHelton said:
Regarding how an earthquake feels outside - in my blog I described how ordinary people feel when they are on the street and what damage it causes.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Japan Meteorological Agency seismic intensity scale - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

On a scale of 2.5-3.4, "Overhead power lines sway. Perceptible to people outdoors" occurs outside. With residential buildings, "Houses may shake intensely. Light damage possible to homes with low earthquake resistance" occurs. With non-residential buildings that are protected from seismic activity, the following happens - "Light damage to older buildings with low earthquake resistance. Light damage possible to earthquake-resistant buildings."


At a magnitude of 3.4-4.4, the reaction of people outside is “Power lines sway. Tremors are perceptible to people outside” and this means that there is no electricity. Damage to residential buildings - "Light damage to less earthquake-resistant homes. Most homes shake intensely and walls may crack. Apartment buildings will shake." This is what happens in the manga. Houses are shaking, people are scared, there is minimal damage to buildings and objects. I will say more, during such an earthquake, earthquake-resistant premises may suffer a little, not to mention a wire fence.


At higher magnitudes, even earthquake-resistant structures suffer, windows break, and cracks appear along the walls.


Magnitude 5 is the maximum we can give based on what is seen in anime and manga.

We must build on what has been demonstrated.
Either way, it's a nice boost to the verse.
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This entire section is wrong because of one thing

We operate on the Mercalli scale on this wiki

The source your citing is operating on Japans version of measuring earthquakes which doesn't measure measure the actual energy but instead ground surface shaking, the source you linked even notes that you shouldn't confuse the two

So your porting a different method of measuring earthquakes over to the Richter method we use on this wiki which no matter how you look at it is wrong

I have already provided my reasoning as to why this earthquake qualifies for an at least magnitude 5 as well as my reasoning for 6 using the Richter scale

I recomend we go back to using the old calc which brings us back to 7-C
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Earthquake frequencies and magnitudes in japan didn't just magically get weaker over time

The comparison with modern earthquakes is a valid way of finding out what constitutes as a "Big one"

This entire section is wrong because of one thing

We operate on the Mercalli scale on this wiki

The source your citing is operating on Japans version of measuring earthquakes which doesn't measure measure the actual energy but instead ground surface shaking, the source you linked even notes that you shouldn't confuse the two

So your porting a different method of measuring earthquakes over to the Richter method we use on this wiki which no matter how you look at it is wrong

I have already provided my reasoning as to why this earthquake qualifies for an at least magnitude 5 as well as my reasoning for 6 using the Richter scale

I recomend we go back to using the old calc which brings us back to 7-C
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Yeah I too feel the previous one was good.
 
NikHelton said:
Please find the statistics from the 90s if you want to operate on them.

Regarding how an earthquake feels outside - in my blog I described how ordinary people feel when they are on the street and what damage it causes.
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Also since you ask


Here's a chart from 1999 to 2000

As you can see the magnitudes mimic the present day almost to a tee

Latest Earthquakes

earthquake.usgs.gov earthquake.usgs.gov
 
I'm going with a magnitude 5.0 This is more consistent with earthquake damage and is not an outlier compared to other feats. Thus, Yujiro will receive an "8-A, likely far higher" rating
 
NikHelton said:
My bad, I used the link that was left here earlier. Based on what we've seen in the manga and anime and based on this article (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_scale#Richter_magnitudes) I'm going with a magnitude of 5. In the absence of damage, a higher magnitude seems a stretch
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No problem


However I still stand in my stance that we should use 5.5 due to the severity of the shaking OUTSIDE with them hardly being able to stand


Also all the building we see are in the far background so we can't say for certain if they have minor damage or not, also it would only be MINOR damage in this case since these are earthquake resistant building and are well built structure

Only magnitude 6 an above earthquakes do more than minor damage to well built structures

Also Yujiro did stop this quake early and the main reason damage like that occurs is due to shaking over a prolonged period of time


In conclusion, 5.5 or nothing, anything less wouldnt be considered a "Big one" by Strydom
 
That was still enough time to knock down the wire fence. 5 magnitude makes more sense in my opinion
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
I am for mag 6. Also that wire fence was probably reinforced and not a regular one due to the wires and the whole area being near an airport.
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You can't strengthen a wire fence, my friend. This is not a reinforced concrete structure. This is literally a twisted wire that bent under Baki's body and from his jump at the age of 13
 
NikHelton said:
You can't strengthen a wire fence, my friend. This is not a reinforced concrete structure. This is literally a twisted wire that bent under Baki's body and from his jump at the age of 13
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You can reinforce both the posts and the foundations of a fence, and getting bent by the main character of a martial arts battle series isn't exactly the most damning anti-feat
 
DaReaperMan said:
That bent under a dude who can literally make a pretzel out of the entire fence?
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A three-year-old child can make a pretzel out of this fence.
But in general, it buckled under his weight when Baki was thrown.
Baki was already falling down, so we can't blame it on the strength of Yujiro's throw
 
SheevShezarrine said:
You can reinforce both the posts and the foundations of a fence, and getting bent by the main character of a martial arts battle series isn't exactly the most damning anti-feat
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You can't reinforce a fence that is literally a twisted wire. It's like strengthening a volleyball net
 
It also has to due with the fact that fences aren't really proper concrete structures that are the most susceptible to earthquakes

They're solid metal and have alot more rigidity than other structures along with less mass to shake

Here's a 6.4 magnitude quake in Puerta Ricco and you can see that the light poles as well as that bell structure are perfectly fine while the building crumbled
www.voanews.com

Puerto Rico Earthquake Aftermath Worsens; Government Overwhelmed

Puerto Rico is struggling to recover from a 6.4-magnitude earthquake that killed one person, injured nine others and severely damaged infrastructure on the southwest coast
www.voanews.com www.voanews.com
 
NikHelton said:
A three-year-old child can make a pretzel out of this fence.
But in general, it buckled under his weight when Baki was thrown.
Baki was already falling down, so we can't blame it on the strength of Yujiro's throw
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A three-year old can't bend METAL nik.

He was already going down and was helped by the literal strongest character in the series. That's what you wanna use?
 
SheevShezarrine said:
You can reinforce both the posts and the foundations of a fence, and getting bent by the main character of a martial arts battle series isn't exactly the most damning anti-feat
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Yeah exactly that. And Baki also used it to push with enough force to reach Yujiro in a single leap. Strongest fence in fiction. That's how far Baki was thrown.

DaReaperMan said:
A three-year old can't bend METAL nik.

He was already going down and was helped by the literal strongest character in the series. That's what you wanna use?
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Also he literally kicked the fence to propel himself and the fence was totally fine. Also yeah he was going down and the kinetic force should have been pretty big as he had already reached the highest point.
 
DaReaperMan said:
A three-year old can't bend METAL nik.

He was already going down and was helped by the literal strongest character in the series. That's what you wanna use?
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Yujiro threw it up instead of down. At that moment, gravity was already affecting him. And yes, my little sister will break your iron fence
 
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