[GRACE] (0-9-0) NLF God starts his Low 2-C people gauntlet: Kuroto Dan VS Ren Amamiya

[MagiSinbad]

Why do you assume he will kill?

Arent Persona skills has a time limit ? Not to mention Joker could run out of mana too. If i said anything wrong, please feel free to correct it

 

[Kamen_Rider_Xross]

Even if Joker doesn't kill him, he could suicide, and before someone say it, yes, Kuroto has precedents of kill himself to gets advantage multiple times or even for overwork. When he has 99 Lives, isn't that big of a deal.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Why... would he have a time limit? And Joker with Satanael no longer requires MP/SP to use spells, so, no.

So, again, Joker can put him to sleep, make him extremely hunger, dizzy him, make him forget how to use all of his abilities, and panic him, all with a thought.

 

[MagiSinbad]

My apolozies, i mean the duration of the magic .

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

No? They only wear off because of game mechanics, or dispelled by items/healing spells.

 

[MagiSinbad]

So we only treat them as game mechanic ? Damnit, people back then alway uses the duration of the magic as proofs to say that SMT characters cant incap the opponent for long.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

SMT is under revisions, so those arguments aren't really usuable now.

Anyways, I'm going to sleep now, responding to any arguments later.

 

[Rustobal]

How would Panic and Despair cause Genm to lose? If anything, Panic would just incite Genm to be even more ruthless with his abilities to prevent Joker from winning.
I'd argue Despair would fall under Negativeization's effects which causes someone to become depressed, which is pretty similar and if not, exactly the same as despair (the loss of hope).

Edit: Also "No, they do not" isn't an argument Milly. Expand and explain so they don't keep rocking you for it :L

Joker can just pull a Junko Enoshima on him to commit suicide. And negativeization is depression which isn't despair. They're different meanings and not synonyms.

 

[Rustobal]

Why do you assume he will kill?

Arent Persona skills has a time limit ? Not to mention Joker could run out of mana too. If i said anything wrong, please feel free to correct it

Joker has invigorate skills can regenerate his sp. Plus some drain skills can give him more sp or even spirit drain.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Is that a vote for Joker?

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Joker FRA

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

2-0-0.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Bumping time.

 

[Kamen_Rider_Xross]

Why... would he have a time limit? And Joker with Satanael no longer requires MP/SP to use spells, so, no.
So, again, Joker can put him to sleep, make him extremely hunger, dizzy him, make him forget how to use all of his abilities, and panic him, all with a thought.

Sleep and Dizziness are Energy Items (With Dizzy being Confuse) and i don't think a Bugster can really feel hungry. About Forgot and panic yeah could deal with Kuroto, but his God Maximum Gamer has an autopilot funtion.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

This is becoming a stomp, Persona's are getting AE Type 1.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Aw...

Well. Falling back to Archie Sonic fight, then.

Sad thing Genm has only like, just conceptual manip to fight the AE1

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Actually, not a stomp, only the Persona's are AE type 1, the users are still physical.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Bump.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Bump.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Out of curiousity, why is Kuroto Dan considered the NLF god? I know nothing about Kamen Rider so what kind of special ability does he have?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Apparently is because he can grant himself powers and resistances out of nowhere

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Doesn't mean he's winnning every fight, hence this.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Seriously? Wow that does sound like a walking NLF if people didn't properly scale hax and tiers

 

[MagiSinbad]

let just say, this power tied to his character pretty well. A man with a godly talent that can program anything he wishes. Most of the powers in his series is programmed by Kuroto as well, in the end of the series, he himself crafted a power that let him creates any power he want with just a thought, not spending a shitton of time programming them. But sadly, Kuroto only created 2 powers with this power creation ability :

Cosmic Chronicle : The power that allow the user to control the universe's space-time, laws, concepts,ect...

Zombie Chronicle : The power that turn anyone he touched into a mindless digital zombie that would turn anyone they touched into a digital zombie as well

The reason for this is that Kuroto is still trying to play a "game" with humanity, give them a challenge in which they can actually have a chance against him. Which lead to his downfall because this guy reset Kuroto's power, bring him back to the point before he accquired his god-like power.

Despite his god-complex and mary-sue ish characteristic, he's still one of the greatest and most lovable meme lord of Kamen rider fandom. An AMV for Kuroto if you're interested

 

[Jamesthetaker]

~good character description~

One kudos for you, Magi.

 

[MagiSinbad]

Thank James

It's somehow alway feel more enjoyable to talk about character's characteristic and verse's lore in the vs thread. Hope this isnt bothering anyone tho, seeing how my off-topic my posts are

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Thank James
It's somehow alway feel more enjoyable to talk about character's characteristic and verse's lore in the vs thread. Hope this isnt bothering anyone tho, seeing how my off-topic my posts are

It's not a bother. We all know it's an attempt to promote Kamen Rider

 

[MagiSinbad]

ah shit, my cover is blown. *proceed to uses Invisibility energy item to run away*

Anyway, regarding the match. Joker's win con already given above and i dont have anything to deny it. My vote is for Joker for now, until someone points out something i've missed

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Yeah I also vote Joker FRA

 

[Akreious]

Why're people voting Joker again? It was literally not 10 posts ago did Dan still have a massive advantage due to 99 lives to do anything over if he needs. At worst, Dan becomes unable to do anything and insanely suicidal then dies, and just comes back more pissed. And if the vote is via KO... how the hell do you knock out Data?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Joker FRA

 

[Ionliosite]

Joker via reasons that don't exist.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

What prevents Joker from icapping

And to be honest, I don't see a way in hell Kuroto can harm Joker

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

What prevents Joker from icapping
And to be honest, I don't see a way in hell Kuroto can harm Joker

he can use law manipulation or concept hax.Joker only reisists type 4 concept so

 

[Akreious]

What prevents Joker from icappingAnd to be honest, I don't see a way in hell Kuroto can harm Joker

How does one incap data? Not a computer in this analogy, straight up data; the 0 and 1s inside the computer.

And conceptual manipulation is literally textbook definition on how to defeat Abstract Existence. Also the whole "I control Laws of Physics, Space-Time, and Concepts" thing as well as "I can make any game I want come to existence!" which such feats include making a game where you control all concepts in the Universe.

Also zero resistance to Law Manipulation helps.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

What prevents Joker from icappingAnd to be honest, I don't see a way in hell Kuroto can harm Joker

How does one incap data? Not a computer in this analogy, straight up data; the 0 and 1s inside the computer.
And conceptual manipulation is literally textbook definition on how to defeat Abstract Existence. Also the whole "I control Laws of Physics, Space-Time, and Concepts" thing as well as "I can make any game I want come to existence!" which such feats include making a game where you control all concepts in the Universe.

I heard Joker will resist type 2 conceptual hax from Yalbadaloth, so that may not work

 

[Akreious]

What prevents Joker from icappingAnd to be honest, I don't see a way in hell Kuroto can harm Joker

How does one incap data? Not a computer in this analogy, straight up data; the 0 and 1s inside the computer.
And conceptual manipulation is literally textbook definition on how to defeat Abstract Existence. Also the whole "I control Laws of Physics, Space-Time, and Concepts" thing as well as "I can make any game I want come to existence!" which such feats include making a game where you control all concepts in the Universe.

I heard Joker will resist type 2 conceptual hax from Yalbadaloth, so that may not work

Until it's on the profile, what you heard is merely hearsay/unofficial.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Joker via reasons that don't exist.

Incap via various methods.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

And Joker is resisting that, after we finish revisions.

 

[Akreious]

Joker via reasons that don't exist.

Incap via various methods.

I N C A P . . . D A T A ?

Really? the phrase "incap" only shows up 7 results and the "various methods" are horribly contested, and even then the only ones that will for sure affect Genm will NOT incap him at all. One makes him horribly suicidal (99 Lives) and stuff like Paralysis, Burn, etc. are all Energy Items.

The only one that'd feasibly work is Panic (Makes him unable to do anything) but even then his Suit has Auto-Pilot built in so it isn't even incap.

So the "various methods" is actually "one" and that one is countered by a suit that's independent of Genm.

And Joker is resisting that, after we finish revisions.

That's not how that works. Finish revisions first and get it onto the profile, then we can use it. Otherwise, it's only in discussion and you can't use it in a debate.