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Golden Sun Discussion Thread

I could agree but, then again the continents were considered to be together until they eventually were slowly broke apart by igniting the elemental.lighthouses which is causing weyard to slowly die.
 
PlozAlcachaz said:
Except it still was only mentioned to be near limitless according to the Wise One as Alex was still limited with his lifespan. Isaac is also limited since he also had a portion of the power of the Golden Sun directed towards him given him lengthened life. The article you linked also said "extended life". Eternal life is just a contradiction given what the wiki says and is just an exaggeration of it.
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If it's nigh-limitless, the only thing that might be able to crack him in battle is Methuselah, and he's way too powerful for Isaac to battle, anyway.
 
I was thinking, at least multi-continent to small planet level because it was stated many of times that Weyard was slowly dying and that lighting all four elemental lighthouses would cause the golden sun which would prevent the destruction of the whole world. One time it was discussed was in Piers' hometown Lemuria and when both teams meet up together after the Jupiter lighthouse.
 
Yeah, Multi-Continent level does sound like the minimum of how powerful the protagonists are; as it would be Saturos and Menardi's ratings. Agatio and Karst are of course even stronger than they are, although they don't quite have as many feats to back up a rating even higher. Alex/Arcanus on the other hand is much more powerful than the protagonists and was only ever beaten by The Wise One; I'm roughly guessing he would be at least Planet level.
 
Random question. Can anyone show a video or source for the lighthouses shaking the world? I don't exactly remember the world as a whole being affected, but it's probably just my bad memory since I haven't played this game in 2 years. Regardless, could I get a source of it?
 
I don't know about shaking the world tbh, but I did think it shook the continent; and a massive Earthquake for sure is what happened. Although IIRC, shaking the Earth is only a Island level, unless the Earthquake does something tremendous like destroy a country or split multiple continents. There is canon lore that lighting a single lighthouse beacon does seem to have a major effect over the entire planet.
 
Based on this calc, and it also scaled to characters such as Regime Superman (Injustice). Again, if it causes major destructions or alterations to the Earth, it's much higher than Island level but simply shaking the Earth is only Island level. However, Golden Sun lighthouses page mentioned something about being lit up by stars or manipulating an element all across the earth when activated.
 
@DodoNova2 will that scale to everyone in the first 2 Golden sun games, or just the fire adepts?
 
Iris is supposed to be a god tier who only uses a fraction of her power, so I'm unsure if her star creation feat can really scale to anyone other than maybe the Golden Sun or the Wise One. I believe just about every other summon to calc could scale to the main cast, including the older ones.
 
The wiki says that the foes are only thrown into the sun from what is labeled on Iris's page. Are you sure Iris actually created a star?
 
It does appear that Iris created a star; there's a giant flash and a star appears, but it doesn't really scale to the protagonists. Since throwing enemies into the sun isn't really a Star level AP feat. I'm fine with scaling just about any other summon to both The Lost Age and Dark Dawn casts.
 
That doesn't really seem like enough reasoning to conclude that Iris created a star just because of a flash. The Golden Sun: The Lost Age animation specifically shows just Iris taking the opponent to the su if anything. Before someone makes the comparison to Dark Nebula's MSS feat from Kirby where he obliterated half the galaxy after the flash to disregard this argument, the difference here is that Kirby's example would have actual evidence as visible celestial bodies are shown just outside the reaches as in a feint view with another galaxy present, but the case here is just us seeing a star that is most likely just the sun that we are assuming Iris created with no real proof of Iris actually doing so rather than a flawed observation.
 
I was referring to the Dark Dawn animation when I said creating a star; I clearly don't see a star creation for the Lost Age animation.

However, DarkAnine seems to have accepted Large Island level for the meteor calc.
 
Also, if anyone thinks I am spiting Golden Sun by trying to cast aside the alleged star level stuff, I'm just giving this constructive reasoning because we don't want a repeat of what happened last time to Isaac's profile where it got deleted due to lack of justification in feats. Before we try to upgrade him to star along with the other cast or anything in that Tier 5/4 range, we should really get evidence for it. Right now, it seems that Island level or Large Island level are the more favorable levels due to the calc of Meteor being redone to yield the capacity to strike with 150 megatons which is Large Island level. If we compare the world shaking feat with the lighthouses, then they would still be around that range since Island is just a bare minimum, but the output should be higher since more drastic effects are in place compared to the calc listed above. This is just my opinion though, so I'm just hoping to hear more input.
 
Seeing how the animation is just a 3D version of the Lost age version, it really shouldn't change anything to be honest. If it really did change in Dark Dawn, it shouldn't scale either way since Iris was easily not capable of so in Lost Age, but I think the more preferable of the two is that it is just simply not a star creation feat.
 
To be fair, it was mentioned above that Iris was the creator of the universe, and Hayou believed her to be Low 2-C if she did get her own profile; we still need justification on that. Even if we assumed she created it piece by piece, she would still be Large Star level at bare minimum by that statement. Either way, she definitely doesn't scale to Isaac and crew. And actually, I did clearly say that even if Iris created a star, the it does not scale to the party, so I'm not really sure why you're sort of arguing with me if it sounds like we share an opinion.

Anyway, I've added the Large Island level feat to Isaac's profile; good for now, but prefer to wait for any even better feats before we start created profiles for the rest of the cast.
 
Earlier, it was done using assumptions and the fact that kinetic energy becomes unquantifiable if velocity => 0.93. But NumbersGuy fixed it and it's good now; result was Large Island level.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Earlier, it was done using assumptions and the fact that kinetic energy becomes unquantifiable if velocity => 0.93. But NumbersGuy fixed it and it's good now; result was Large Island level.
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So we can add it to Isaac's Profile now?
 
Now that we got the tiers for at least the characters from the first 2 games down. All we need is to get the abilities each character can use and then we have at least 10 characters down for the verse.
 
Okay. So the cast of Dark Dawn should be comparable to the cast of Lost Age, seeing as they both share their most powerful foe, and their ability lists should also be similar.
 
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