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Lmao I wish someone here would go to the VSBW discord and say Goku is more skilled. Everyone including the DBS fans would meme on them.
I'm not kidding I'm very surprised people are even arguing this. It's blatant.
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Goku vs. Garou (Martial Arts Battle)
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I'm not kidding I'm very surprised people are even arguing this. It's blatant.
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garou predicting a fatser fodder: amazing
goku predicting a time skipper/stopper with analytical predicting who is also faster in a 0.1 timeframe: nah it's fodder
goku predicting a time skipper/stopper with analytical predicting who is also faster in a 0.1 timeframe: nah it's fodder
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They both scale to the same damn speed. Hit being MFTL+ doesn't change anything. It's the same as if a normal person skipped .1 seconds in time to another normal person.
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Garou predicting up to 4+ movements in the future from someone who could casually blitz him: Valid skill feat
Goku predicting .1 seconds in the future in a fight: Fodder compared to Garou
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yeah a MFTL+ fighter that hide the way he fight
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garou predict against a being who don't have any fighting skill
goku predict against a being who not onliy a martial artist but have 1000+ years experient
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The difference in speed betwen hit and goku is higher than the difference betwen garou and saitma.
Garou needed line of sight, posture, gravity center etc..to predict an amataur.
Goku couldn't get anything yet still predicted hit.
Garou still predicted a fatser amtaur.
Goku predicted a martal artist, with analytical perdectin and time stop/skip.
But ofcourse, garou is better because
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I feel like at this point pretty much no argument has any chance of making anyone change their minds.
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By putting his hands in his pockets and taking them out at the last second
. Big whoop.
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Ok let's not get crazy now.
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and garou is fighting a guy who don't know how to fight except punch stuffBy putting his hands in his pockets and taking them out at the last second
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sometimes he kicks too
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Yikes.
This thread sucks.
This thread sucks.
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Reread the series if you genuinely think that lmao.
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Tbf only realistic martial art Garou has is WSRSF, since it's pretty much a wanked version of irl tai chi.
Other than that we have WICF wich slices opponents with high speed joint rotations... kinda weird, since in an equal strength scenario your wrists would be extremely superhuman since just by twisting them really fast you generate shockwaves that can cut a guy equal to you.
EHRF wich empowers punches with a heavy shockwave by timing your heart beats to your punches. Wich would need body control capable of controlling your own heart (completely impossible since automated fibers) and even then your heart would be absurdly superhuman for it's heartbeats alone to empower your punches that much.
RASRF sends shockwaves inside the opponents body wich travel and rebound through hard surfaces such as carapaces, swords, armor and bones until they are reduced to dust...
Fa Jin sends shockwaves that target organs and can't be blocked since it just goes through stuff while dealing damage...(at least the close range one he did on darkshine can be considered realistic ish)
Nuclear fission fist would require atomic level precision if we assume he's doing it by directly splitting atoms and purely through skill, but iirc just moving fast enough can cause it to happen... in a scientifically accurate scenario. Saitama has punched way harder and faster with no nuclear side effects, so either Garou is manipulating energy or what i just mentioned above. (We will likely only know once the databook is released)
Gamma Ray Burst and Black hole creation are just BS. I will be very surprised if ONE can Rakudai no Kishi his way into turning something like this into a skill feat.
Other than that we have WICF wich slices opponents with high speed joint rotations... kinda weird, since in an equal strength scenario your wrists would be extremely superhuman since just by twisting them really fast you generate shockwaves that can cut a guy equal to you.
EHRF wich empowers punches with a heavy shockwave by timing your heart beats to your punches. Wich would need body control capable of controlling your own heart (completely impossible since automated fibers) and even then your heart would be absurdly superhuman for it's heartbeats alone to empower your punches that much.
RASRF sends shockwaves inside the opponents body wich travel and rebound through hard surfaces such as carapaces, swords, armor and bones until they are reduced to dust...
Fa Jin sends shockwaves that target organs and can't be blocked since it just goes through stuff while dealing damage...(at least the close range one he did on darkshine can be considered realistic ish)
Nuclear fission fist would require atomic level precision if we assume he's doing it by directly splitting atoms and purely through skill, but iirc just moving fast enough can cause it to happen... in a scientifically accurate scenario. Saitama has punched way harder and faster with no nuclear side effects, so either Garou is manipulating energy or what i just mentioned above. (We will likely only know once the databook is released)
Gamma Ray Burst and Black hole creation are just BS. I will be very surprised if ONE can Rakudai no Kishi his way into turning something like this into a skill feat.
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Im about to throw up.
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Realistic as in, the visuals of his techniques. Not the powers and whatnot.
If you just compare how Garou and Goku are actually shown to fight, Garou's choreography is far superior. That's what I meant. Goku kinda just throws around the same punches over and over. It makes it very hard to take his martial arts prowess seriously, in all honesty.
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Lmao definition of cope
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The series literally itself goes out of it's way to tell us that Saitama is fodder in martial art skill. And garou still needed alot of information to just predict his simple moves
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saitama a martial artist ???
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Appeal to ignorance; biased
in the manga, read the scans already sent.
Manga.
Goku can do it too, Master it and improve it.
“Copying and Mastering strength and speed”? Embarrassing.
“Goku learned a handful of techniques”
You're being ignorant on purpose aren't you. If it's a handful, list them. They're not that many right?
Nah you just lack logical reasoning in all your arguments by not realizing there are levels to skills. Actually you do because you use it for Garou but intentionally act ignorant for Goku.
now for @Phoenks
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Idk what you trying to mean, but realistically speaking, in martial art fancier move doesn't mean better.
In DB anime, almost all the martial movement was choreographed by animation supervisor Tadayoshi Yamamuro, before he became animator he learned martial art at a Shaolin temple iirc, and it heavily influenced him when animating Dragon Ball
Actually no, DB doesn't have that syndrome, unless you count firing ki blast or ki empowered punch. But ignore that all of the move in martial art perspective is really realistic. Ultra Instinct on the other hand is a represent of real life martial art philosophy called Mushin
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The only note worthy feat that garou has is copying a technique via reading about it. And that's it.
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Db has that syndrome bad, it's actually bad later on. It was aight early on, but eventually it just become lol anime without any real form or efficiency.
don't confuse a few matches from early DB Budokai's with say, Goku vs Frieza, for example, the latter's display of CQC has zero resemblance to anything even close to legit martial arts. Kid Goku legit has better martial display than adult Goku 99% of the time.
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How is that appeal to ignorance lmao. In this wiki, if something is not on his page, you can not claim that he has it. Make a CRT and have it applied to Roshi's page.
Resend them. I'm not scrolling through 3 pages to find your scans.
What does this even mean. You didn't even refute my point.
The difference is that Goku has never shown to master a technique the moment he used it. It has always taken some sort of training or time for him to get used to it. Garou on the other hand, has shown many times to master techniques on his first try.
Lmao what? You're picking the little details because you know your argument is wrong. You're literally so sad.
Sure lmao
UI, possibly IT, Kamehameha. I took off literally everything else because he hasn't mastered them as fast as Garou. Kaio-Ken took him a little less than 5 months to master. I said possibly for Instant Transmission because Goku was literally at Yadrat for a year, so we have no idea how long it took for him to master it.
UI took him a few minutes
Kamehameha was rather instantly.
So yes, it's not many. The only martial art style that Goku has mastered AFAIK is the Turtle Hermit style. Garou on the other hand has mastered over 15 styles. 14 of them being mastered in under 5 minutes of using them.
What the **** are you actually talking about. You said that my lacks logic, but didn't point out the logical flaw. UI at the end of the day is Insinctive Reaction, is it not? Garou in his human form, which is vastly less skilled than current Garou by huge margins had that.
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Mushin is literally just a lower tier of Instinctive Reaction. Like I said, Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist is literally a Martial Art that incorporates Instinctive Reaction. Garou has had that for a long time now,
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Which is why UI isn't a skill feat. Being able to learn Instinctive Reaction that subpar martial artists couldn't learn for billions of years isn't a valid feat.
Now that their main argument is destroyed, Garou is clearly superior to Goku.
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All of Garou's feats mentioned are skill feats.
The only skill feats I can think of from Goku that was mentioned, was learning Kamehameha, and outperforming creators of their own style after years of training.
Garou has those feats but on a way grander scale, and way more impressive.
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this is literally fun and games... you cant keep pulling this card...
Lmfao
Already did and your premise was faulty and repetitive so I didn't bother refuting anything. sowie.
This is a lie that has been debunked by the thread. Kid Goku literally does this. The reason why I am barely even arguing is that you are repeating what everyone has been addressed. What more can I do change your mind?
Just admit youre not impressed and ill understand.
False equivalence lol
Several layers of UI >>>>> Beerus UI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roshi's IR ? Garou IR.
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agree
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take a look at goku's page big man :3Garou uses skill to conjure a Gamma Ray Burst and Goku doesn't resist Radiation Manipulation
Chad skill feat
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