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Goku vs. Garou (Martial Arts Battle)
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Uhm no Ultra instinct isn't just instinctive reactions.
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This type of reasoning is laughable... first off this is false equivalency as Ultra instinct isn't just instinctive reaction, master roshi has Instinctive reactions which helped him react to Jiren who's several times faster than him, this is far higher than any instinctive movement shown in OPM verse btw and yet it was stated to be a far cry from Ultra instinct.
If there's anyone with a moot point here it's yours. Garou has baseline instinctive reactions probably not even on par with master roshi's sef and you're equating it to UI. truly laughable
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With his recent form Garou has gained a fundamental understanding of the forces composing the universe and thus is able to copy the flow of any universal phenomena, allowing him to perfectly apply the physical properties of anything in the universe in any way he likes
Seems to be enough knowledge and application to rival DBS Goku now
Seems to be enough knowledge and application to rival DBS Goku now
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He already had enough skill to stomp any version of Goku. Now it's a a mega stomp.
This shouldn't be a conversation anymore.
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To me, this seems to be an application of hax.l not skill. He seems to be doing the same thing that he does with water flowing polo fist thing but fusing natural phenomena with it in the form of hax, like he made nuclear bombs and a black hole. I don't know how that would be applicable to skill.With his recent form Garou has gained a fundamental understanding of the forces composing the universe and thus is able to copy the flow of any universal phenomena, allowing him to perfectly apply the physical properties of anything in the universe in any way he likes
Seems to be enough knowledge and application to rival DBS Goku now
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Tfw instinct chains
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Eh the manga makes a point that it's technique based rather than just warping reality. He basically integrated nigh omniscience into his fighting style and thus can apply the essence of martial arts on a grander scale
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No lol.
And this doesn’t sound like hax to you?
We might as well include all the Dragonball techniques.. that involves.. cough… Ki… cough cough
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Having that much knowledge and integrating it into your martial arts does sound like skill, yes
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Can this be an application of skill? Wasn't this done through the powers bestowed upon him by god? and even if it's an application of martial arts skills this still isn't enough as Ki is an application of martial arts also so this just gives room to include Ki
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Why would Ki be comparable to that?
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Nigh omniscience? Bruh he doesn't actually have that does he? To be honest the power is vague so maybe but it just seems he can copy natural phenomena and then use them in his techniques. Like the first thing he did was punch and fuse that punch with atomic fusion like a nuclear bomb. This to me just appears to be hax. It's his normal martial arts plus reality warping I think.
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"He has gained knowledge of all the flow of all energy and behavior of all forces in the universe."
Cosmic Awareness then
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The forces in the universe are not the whole of the universe.
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Goku still edges out in overall skill, once it comes to information analysis, analytical prediction, battle IQ, instinctive movements Goku edges out in all of that, Garou only edges out in power mimicry given his new form...
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He hasn’t applied all his knowledge into “skill” and this gives room for Ki to be applied since it has always been martial arts in DB. So shall we?
Garou even looks like he just turns his fists into nukes and throws a regular punch.
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? Go for it. I’m curious how Ki Manipulation relates to skill.
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Besides I think we should wait till this arc in OPM finishes or the entire Garou Vs saitama fight finishes because just a few days ago we well most of us agreed that Goku is the better martial artist now a new chapter has landed and we're debating about it again if we somehow reach a conclusion now and then another chapter drops we'd have to debate on it again... So I think we should wait for the entire fight to end before we can properly access garou skill as it's a bit vague on the full extent Garou can apply this new powers to his skill
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lol Spider-Man skillstomps Garou because his Instinctive Reaction took 0 time to learn.
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Not skill. Part of his physiological/inherent abilities.
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It was a joke, famo. I literally said so in the strikethrough text lol
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I just don't want anyone to misunderstand what I'm saying.
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Again with people acting like MUI is more than what it actually is.
Seriously guys, it's not as phenomenal or crazy a technique as you think it is.
Just because it's a technique so wildly unobtainable in another verse doesn't mean it is so far above normal instinctive reaction lol
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Because it literally is more than what you make it seem.
So you’re saying my sleep walking = Garou’s sleep fighting?
Say yes, please say yes
so I can add your post as justification if I even make a profile of myself and add instinctive reactions.THERE ARE LEVELS TO THIS. DROP IT.
Who says instinctive reaction is unattainable? ULTRA INSTINCT IS WIDLY UNATTAINABLE.
Master Roshi uses InStInCtIvE rEaCtIoN too so how the hell is it widely unattainable?
Bro… move on to your next point if you have any.
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it is instinctive reaction, but better.
Master Roshi has IR. And his was stated to be below Ultra Instinct. You just have to understand that there are levels not even the gods can reach. gods that have been training under Martial Arts from their angels for millions of years. And Roshi’s IR was seen as mid despite his feat.
Goku not only reach the level of gods with incomplete version, he surpassed them by mastering it, surpassed himself after the tournament, surpassed himself in Moro Arc, added it to base, proceeded to create this scaling chain UISSJ << UISSG <<< UI SS blue <<< UI Granola Arc.
@Maverick_Zero_X you can have all the knowledge in the world, but will be shit without evidence of application. So far he is just spamming cosmic radiation and has probably reached his knowledge cap by using a gamma burst attack the greatest and most dangerous form of radiation. So that’s literally it. Nuclear Fist and Gamma burst.
Kaioken + transformation + Goku’s accelerated development boosts Martial arts that is already known similar to how god’s powers boosted Garou’s pre-existing Technique.
just wait till the arc is over, Garou can’t touch Goku yet
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IR isn't even on Master Roshi's profile lmao. Everyone in DB who is stated to have IR usually has an incomplete or limited version of it. Except those with UI.
Also Human Garou IR <<< Half-Monster Garou IR <<< Monster Garou IR
As a human, Garou could use IR via the WSRSF, but he hadn't even mastered it then. Still, he was able to evade attacks like this instinctively.
After becoming half-monster Garou he fought Darkshine, a talented brawler, in his sleep.
And after becoming monster Garou he fought Bomb and Bang, who are master martial artists who both ALSO have IR in his sleep.
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which is somewhat strange, that’s his most notable ToP feat
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why did people make this a debate of who has the best instinctive reaction?
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It is the first thing I want to establish here. Garou's IR is better, and MUI isn't really the shit.
Garou outclasses Goku in literally every single way when it comes to martial arts. Instinctive Reaction is just the most debatable one.
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Could Garou really copy ultra instint without any side effect
because those is one that does copy ultra instint and let just say he have to fuse with the earth to survive
because those is one that does copy ultra instint and let just say he have to fuse with the earth to survive
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Garou is already fused with every force and energy in the universe bro.
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Untrue Garou only gained knowledge of the flow of all energy as well as the behaviour of all forces in the universe
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Goku has better analytical prediction feats tho, since he was able to more or less keep up with a time stopper before eventually getting the resist. He can also deal with teleportation users. (And both characters here were actual martial artist somewhat comparable to him. )
Meanwhile Garou can dodge and land counters on Saitama who is too fast for his perception and reactions, but an amateur. (The whole talk about reading breathing energy, muscle contraction, line of sight, posture and center of balance, however, sounds really cool.)
Meanwhile Garou can dodge and land counters on Saitama who is too fast for his perception and reactions, but an amateur. (The whole talk about reading breathing energy, muscle contraction, line of sight, posture and center of balance, however, sounds really cool.)
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Reread. On the first page on the chapter it literally stated that he understands the flow of energy, and harnesses/recreates it in his body. Garou gained the flow of all energies in the universe, and was able to harness one form of that energy in the form of a Gamma Ray Burst.
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The first page said that it recreated the flow of energy within one body
The second one only said that he gain the knowledge of the flow of all energy as well as the behaviour of all forces in the universe
So i don't see how any of that translate to fuse with the universe ?
The second one only said that he gain the knowledge of the flow of all energy as well as the behaviour of all forces in the universe
So i don't see how any of that translate to fuse with the universe ?
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