DaimaouAshura
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He can't no sell Goku's blasts the same ways. If he could this thread wouldn't be happening.
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Goku fights a genuine demon
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DaimaouAshura
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I stand with Goku because in hell we burn the tickets to the FRA train.
Voting Goku to the end and for the sake of the argument had.
Voting Goku to the end and for the sake of the argument had.
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Goku withstood several pressure point attacks from Hit; he even KO'd Frost with them. Since the gas affects the nerve cells, why should it affect Goku if he also withstood several attacks to his nerves?
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I just want to see scans of UI Goku sensing something similar to an uncolor, indolor gas, and the countering it. That's it
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Pretty sure Goku didn't, since right before his fight Vegeta lost because of that. Goku just learned how to counter them, not tank it. Plus a gas that affects the bloodstream is different from pressure points
Also just before Goku jobbed to Frost's poison
DaimaouAshura
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Someone else already answered you this, he doesn't need a feat doing exactly that, just the feat of having sensed danger that he should otherwise not know about or be able to react to. Whole gimmick of this form is to do just that. He'll sense DD is releasing the gas and evade where it's spreading to accordingly.
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Black Doom gets ahold of the planet FRA.
DaimaouAshura
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...A way weaker and less prepared Goku than MUI, who also had his guard lowered altogether for trusting Frost.
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Ok, scans of him sensing danger from something similar to the air he breathes? Because I hope someone doesn't just show Goku evading things like punches or smth
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No, he did actually tank two of them.
(0:44 and 0:51. Afterwards is when he began adjusting to Hit's fighting style)
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I was replying to someone saying the gas wouldn't affect him, not someone saying he would dodge the gas
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Goku clearly was affected by those attacks. Hit sadly isn't a Kenshiro where he insta-kills with one touch, especially in a tournament where killing was banned.
When Hit tried to kill Goku he one-shotted him with pressure points
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Fair point.
No, what he one-shotted him with was an intangible Ki blast that directly hit Goku's heart. But still, fair point.
DaimaouAshura
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You never showed me scans of DD warping extremely far away when the boss fight shows him standing there throwing multiple things at shadow even when the player closes in, AND even when he warps away it's like some 10 to 20 meters at least.
So, if we're going to argue only EXACT feats shown, fine by me.
DD tries to release Gas, Goku has already closed in on him, he warps some 10 meters away andtries to throw objects at goku or energy blasts, gets outskilled to hell, godbinded and then killed with a kamehameha.
GodlyCharmander
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No need. He doesn't need to consider it a threat, UI doesn't depend on Goku's will.
This is verbatim what's described by Whis.
"It's not an easy technique to master, even Beerus couldn't do it. It allows your body moves on its own, and with it, you can avoid any danger."
— Dragon Ball Super, Episode 18. ~19:40
The gas only needs to be a danger to Goku for UI to detect.
DaimaouAshura
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If that's how thedebating here will go, that's perfectly fine by me. But boy will you have a lot of trouble showing me DD doing ANY of the things you're claiming he does in battle, now.
DaimaouAshura
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Shadow the Hedgehog, right on Devil Doom's face. No sign of warping whatsoever, which means he doesn't do it all the time.
Goku closes in, outskills to hell.
Devil Doom wastes time in battle trying to throw objects with TK instead of using more powerful and difficult skills, easy for Goku to avoid and counter.
Devil doom warps away, but still very much close and within range of combat. Irrelevant to Goku closing in the gap with IT.
Goku closes in, outskills to hell.
Devil Doom wastes time in battle trying to throw objects with TK instead of using more powerful and difficult skills, easy for Goku to avoid and counter.
Devil doom warps away, but still very much close and within range of combat. Irrelevant to Goku closing in the gap with IT.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Without knowledge he wouldn't know it's even there until it's too late
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What can Goku exactly do here if the gas is passive and he's instantly paralyzed by it?
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I never said he would warp extremely far away and I already explained the later as how Sega coded the fight. If you get at a certain distance he will teleport
The gas comes from the comet, Goku would get paralysed as he gets close to Devil Doom
Again, this is how the fight is coded, please stop seething at your lack of scans, you even linked the same timestamp twice
ShakeResounding
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I repeat this sentiment
DaimaouAshura
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So you have zero scans to show that support it? We go by the fight and what is shown. Not by what you are telling me to believe. Same as you are saying, pal. DD does what he shows to do in his fight, there is no "Sega coded this way, otherwise he would fight different." because you say so and nothing else. You have nothing to show to support that argument. See how fun it is to play this game by your rules?
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The gas doesn't really harm Goku tho, he only paralyses it, so I am doubtful it would be a "danger"
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Not that Goku is even gonna notice where the danger coming from. Besides, even in Perfected UI the danger sensing thing is not infalible. Goku did get cheap shotted by Granolah who caught him off guard, especially if he loses accurcy
DaimaouAshura
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Also can I take a look at the "gas being used in the fight" scan again? I'd like to see the full context for that.
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Stop seething. What scans you want me to show? The game's code? Because in the scan you copied from me you see Devil Doom teleporting when Shadow is close to him, like he is coded to
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Black Doom teleports the comet to Earth
The gas affects Sonic and Co
They (somehow) escape from the comet into a shelter (Most likely Lava Shelter)
It later on gets on their shelter
DaimaouAshura
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Bro you are saying I'm seething repeatedly when I'm the one who had to ask you to chill two times over in the same thread already.
And... copying scans? I went to Youtube and looked at the boss fight. That's it.
Acting like you own a video is the attitude that makes you sound angry while sounding condescending. Just your everyday advice.
And the fight in question shows that he both doesn't teleport everytime, but when he does it happens to a small distance that his opponent here can easily bridge. End of story.
Furthermore can I see the scans to the gas being used in combat the way you are implying? Because in the video you have linked the characters that are speaking of the gas talk about a comet's gas covering the planet and that it's starting to affect them. Not only aren't they instantly paralyzed, they make no mention of DD using it in combat against shadow, just that the comet's body is covering the planet in the gas.
DaimaouAshura
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Alright, genuine thanks for the effort. Hadn't seen it yet. I'll take a look!
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Wait if this gas is passive then tf is goku gonna do?
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Shadow was show early to resist the gas because he is part Black Arms, the gas was in effect the moment the Black Comet
It comes from the Black Comet being is Earth's atmosphere, so Goku could potentially kill him before he teleports the comet, which is unlikely but a valid wincon
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This may just be inconsistency, but while the Eggman and the others are being affected by the gas, they're still able to talk (albeit not move). Could Goku potentially use a kiai if he were in MUI after trading blows with DD, since MUI would grant him a decent AP advantage and allow him enough time to possibly beat him?
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Because you are clearly trying a "gotcha" on me simply because I am asking for scans.
Even the Sonic wiki mentions how he is coded to act:
It's not me making shit up
DaimaouAshura
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Watched it. So the gas comes from the comet. Is there a statement saying this gas is odorless and invisible because the atmosphere looked anything but normal (entirely red) with the comet around.
If it comes only from the comet Goku could IT away and fight him.
If DD himself can passively emit or apply this utterly undetectable, utterly unreactable gas that can't be seen, felt, smelled or sensed... Which I doubt considering it comes from a giant comet of doom. Then yeah Goku is doomed.
Otherwise I don't see why he wouldn't just be wary and avoid the comet.
Though I'd like to see the instance of Shadow being attacked by the gas earlier and surviving, if possible.
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You also did say that if Goku were to get close to DD, he'd be paralyzed, User. If it came from the comet, then Goku shouldn't be near the gas while fighting DD for a bit. Unless they're directly next to the Black Comet.
DaimaouAshura
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That was a joke I couldn't hold back in after saying several times that posting Goku scans felt pointless waste of time and being asked to anyways. I'd abandon this thread before that. Don't get me wrong I'm all for learning more about characters, Goku just feels like a pointless case to do that for most of the time.
But it's no big deal, and my bad if that came across as agressive.
On DD deal, misunderstanding there. Am not saying the fight doesn't happen that way, I'm telling you that the way he's shown to warp around and away doesn't matter much in this fight as the gaps he opens can be easily bridged and he doesn't do it 100% of the time either, engaging in direct combat several times over instead of being always keep away play spammer.
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That's just the Black Arms normal air, nothing to do with the gas
When everyone is affected Shadow is included
Then he remembers his past and resists it
Because Black Doom is usually close to his homebase/would teleport it close to him.
All of his attacks are literally projectiles, and you need to get away from him and use Chaos Spear to actually harm him, he is 100% a zoner.
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Alright.
DaimaouAshura
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The Zoner part is a distance that doesn't matter for MUI Goku, is what I'm saying. Fair on the other bits.
I'll take your word for it on the rest because my antivirus started to abort connection and tell me some of these videos are infected for whatever reason soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yeah Imma not mess with that.
I'll take your word for it on the rest because my antivirus started to abort connection and tell me some of these videos are infected for whatever reason soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yeah Imma not mess with that.
