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The gas is uncolor, literally the entire team Sonic plus Eggman didn't see it coming until they were frozen, Goku will see nothing
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Goku fights a genuine demon
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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Even after being frozen they saw nothing until Black Doom literally told them why they froze
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Saiyans are explicit stated to not be able to survive in space because they can't breathe in there. There's still air in the upper atmosphere, it's just so low that normal humans can't absorbe enough oxygem from it
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Goku can detect minute air currents easily to feel all his surroundings, he can easily detect gas and blow it away by exing his aura.
DaimaouAshura
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IT can tag him. With MUI, IT, Aura and God Bind punching Bag DD happens long before Goku runs out of options.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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He wouldn't know what the gas will do or that he needs to deflect it until it'll be too late
Gilad_Hyperstar
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If Goku IT to deep space, he just dies. Also, God Bind wouldn't work since Devil Doom has far better LS than Goku
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Then what? He just doesn't breathe? Also how would he detect that the gas is actually poisonous to him? Does he have any feats of doing that? Detecting deadly gas with just the air current?
Devil Doom just teleports again with Chaos Control, which is literally what he does in his boss fight if Shadow is too close
DaimaouAshura
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Not forever like Freeza. But enough for a battle to take place, absolutely. Also the last part of your post is both headcanon and inaccurate. The only oxygen in the upper atmosphere is atomic one and even that only near the base. Some even consider the Exosphere already outer space, because the differences are far lesser than walking everyday.
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God bind is paralysis Inducement not tk.
He can detect danger instinctively.
DaimaouAshura
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Not for as long as he has fought Beerus. And he has no resistance to paralysis, I stand by my point. Having better LS means nothing, Broly overpowered that with higher AP and Ki and resistance, not by stronger muscle moving.
DaimaouAshura
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MUI lets him detect danger without even knowing it, yes.
Devil Doom is teleporting nowhere when Goku binds him and punches his stomach or blasts.
I'm not tryna force you to change your vote my guy but I'm just as convinced of mine.
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Bro there's literally a moment in the Dragon Super Manga where Goku and Vegeta stop chasing Moro because he was in space and they can't follow him there (INB4 "Not canon reeeee" It's still oficial media versus your headcanon)
Goku clearly wasn't in space because Dragon Ball makes explicit clear he can't survive in space. But even then Devil Doom can just teleport further into space.
This all assuming he would know about the gas features, its range, and weaknesses by having a feeling
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Fair point.
Fair point.
And by the end of the game, the gas still hadn't spread across the entire planet. Why wouldn't it just begin to spread from the beginning in this fight? Shouldn't Goku be able to outrange it if it's only overtime?
Fair point.
No it shouldn't. DD should just be able to BFR continuously to stall. If he kept teleporting away, then he shouldn't have no issues with sending Shadow away for a bit.
Ironic.
I never said they were different. I meant as in Devil Doom never did it throughout his entire battle. DD could've easily done it again just to stall against Shadow. His other attacks did nothing, so why would it matter if he continuously BFRed Shadow just to stall?
Fair point, but the copium comments aren't necessary.
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People are literally making a bunch of staments without any proof. Goku winning would take Goku immediately knowing about the gas the moment it releases, knowing it has planetary range immediately afterwards, flying to the upper atmosphere, immediately finding Devil Doom ki signal to teleport to him, and then keep doing that while holding his breathe so that he can have a chance to kill him
Meanwhile Black Doom just needs to use his passive gas and then attack him with his attacks
Meanwhile Black Doom just needs to use his passive gas and then attack him with his attacks
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DD GG-
Uhm,sorry. Devi Doom FRA.
Uhm,sorry. Devi Doom FRA.
DaimaouAshura
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NOT CANON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
...Satisfied? Chill my bro, don't be assuming what I'm going to say before I even type.
See, in the manga Goku and Vegeta weren't contractually bound by the forces of "who wins this" that they absolutely had to give pursuit.
Even human beings don't die in space the second they pop up there. Goku having fought at the upper atmosphere or even teleporting into space after DD, doing something and back again to earth is entirely possible even if it came down to that.
And if we're talking OOC or "never happened", a lot of what's being argued for DD is entirely different from how his boss fight plays out in the game, as I have yet to see him flying to the depths of the continuum to avoid direct fighting altogether.
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Devil doom fra
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This is a fair point, the gas did take awhile to spread across the entire planet. But still, it's not like Goku would know that. now that he would know about the gas in the first place. He would probably be immediately be affected, and if not that's something he needs to look out the entire fight
You already answered your question, if Black Doom can just teleport himself why would he teleport Shadow away? By teleporting himself he gains new ground while by teleporting Shadow he doesn't
Why would he stall? He already does that by getting away, he literally calls Shadow to come to him after each teleport, there's no reason why he would do that.
Characters act differently depending on their opponent, Devil Doom might see no need to BFR Shadow, but he might against what he thinks is a worthless human
GodlyCharmander
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Different canon, so your point is literally invalid. Games are also official media, can I gather moments wgete Goku was in space there?
UI can detect danger, Goku can detect the existence of the gas, Goku can cover himself in an aura barrier.
The gas has been utterly unutilized.
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They unironically where tho, they literally had to stop Moro right at that moment so he wouldn't absorb Namek, instead he had to stay as the Grand Kai fought him
He teleporting away his literally what he does everytime Shadow gets close to him.
He teleporting to space doesn't happen because the fight doesn't take place in the upper atmosphere
DaimaouAshura
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Again, chill. Don't just go "hurr making statements without proof" just because it isn't the side you're in.
We didn't say "he does this just because", we explained where the thought comes from given what the man's shown in the series.
And he can do all of that. Or what, do you want me to also hold a gun to your head anytime you say something that REMOTELY runs different to how DD's fight played out?
He would know because MUI has that very ability.
He would know it has planetary range because the gas is spreading across the planet, and his instincts would tell him to avoid it.
Goku has found signatures to IT to even in the afterlife.
There's also nothing stopping Goku from warping to some other planet or the afterlife if he runs out of air options then back again.
DaimaouAshura
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Yo my guy how are you holding a gun to my head about upper atmosphere and space every mad minute, when this man never warped to the depths of outer space in his boss fight? lmao
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Literally called it, and do it. Still doesn't change the fact anime Goku, or super Goku in general, never went to space.
Literally show any proof of UI working this way and detecting a invisible, uncolor gas. Plus again, Goku won't be able to hold his breath forever.
Because people are arguing Goku will go to the upper atmosphere to fight Black Doom, since he isn't stupid he will just teleport to space get away from the saiyan. If people weren't saying that I wouldn't be arguing it
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DBZ Goku's profile says he could detect small changes in the air current. I'd bargain Goku not being dumb enough to just wait around if he can tell of the gas' presence. Does the gas have any notable scent?
I was wording that in way that he could widen the distance even further if he added the BFR to it. But since he didn't, that leads me to believe it's just OOC for him.
Fair point. I'd also like to mention that he tanks several attacks before teleporting away. He doesn't spam it back-to-back.
Fair point, but he wasn't shown performing any BFR while as DD. Sure, he still has the ability, but I'd wager it would take some time before he decided to pull that out. And with Goku's RPL increasing his speed and strength every second, what's to say Goku wouldn't just overpower him fairly soon into the fight (Aside from the gas interfering)?
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Because people aren't, all of my posts have scans for what I am saying, about Chaos Control, about the gas, about the teleportation, meanwhile your side shows nothing
This is all just assumptions, all of my points have been based on what Black Doom did in the Last Story, the only times I said he would do things he never did is to counter you guys arguing for things he never did
DaimaouAshura
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What I mean is that from that fight, Black Doom warps to make some distance, but not a gigantic distance. He's not warping the furthest away he can from Shadow into the stars or God knows where in the universe. He's teleporting some while still in the planet and continuing to fight from there.
So I have 0 reason to assume if he fought Goku he would warp light years away when across his entire fight his character shows that he opens far less distance and still stays within relative fighting range after each evasion.
GodlyCharmander
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"Hurr literally called it", doesn't make your point any less stupid. Manga Goku isn't Anime Goku, end of ******* story.
I don't get why you're being so insufferable in what's essentially an inconsequential match.
Alright. I don't need to show Goku detecting gas, all I need is to show Goku instinctively reacting to something he isn't aware of, the specifications aren't necessary. Brb.
DaimaouAshura
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Why the hell would I need to go bring scans to something that everyone is sick of knowing? LMAO This is Dragon Ball pal everyone and their mother knows whether or not what the side for it is arguing happened
I bring scans if I'm arguing obscure, non-mainstream media thatthe people arguing me wouldn't know of
Bringing DBS screens here is like asking me to show you pics proving the sky is blue XD
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Nope, noone noticed it when they were in the Black Comet
It's "OOC" against Super Shadow, yes, but he isn't fighting Super Shadow
Gameplay, Black Doom will immediately teleport if you are at a certain distance to him, even if you never hit him, it's just how Sega coded the fight. He will spam if you always run towards him
I never argued he would "warp lightyears away", I just said he would warp into space in the upper atmosphere where it's already close to space
And anime Goku never went to space. You can call the truth stupid all you want, it doesn't change the facts
No, you need to show him reacting to something he wouldn't think of as a threat, like the air he is breathing. Of course Goku would react to a punch even if he isn't seeing it
Then I assume you have no proof for your claims
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What good is a danger sense when Goku can literally not see the gas? Sonic has a danger sense but look how much good that did him, Goku would have to not only detect the odorless and invisible gas but then also assume he needs to shield himself from whatever it is through a ki barrier while also dealing with a semi-range spammer that can whisk him away at a moment's notice. Having a danger sense and actually knowing specifically what the danger is are two different things.
Devil Doom FRA.
Devil Doom FRA.
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Good point, Sonic has a danger sense in the form of sneezes and his quills and he still couldn't counter it
DaimaouAshura
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Instinctual reactions have that name for a reason.
Even assuming he didn't shield himself, it's very easy really:
He detects the danger. He evades where it's coming from with MUI while charging the foe. The gas isn't covering the planet within a nanosecond, and these characters are fighting at gigantic speeds. Even if it were, MUI tells him of danger spreading until he is at the upper atmosphere.
DD is not opening enough distance that Goku can not just use God Bind which DD doesn't resist, IT right to him, or counter range with his own blasts of power.
That's about it. DD has no solid or game ending advantages from any of these points.
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All of these can be countered by Chaos Control, plus Goku would still need to harm his eye, which moves from head to head each time it gets hit
DaimaouAshura
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Yup, the MUI profile made itself from thin air, with none of these things ever happening. Me not proving the powers of a character EVERYONE knows a second time in one thread with screenshots everyone has seen at some point, means the whole profile is invalidated.
...bruh.
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Welp, I got nothing.
If DD really does just has passive nerve paralysis gas (which he can supposedly control), and that apparently isn't similar to any of the other kinds of paralysis shown in Dragon Ball, and instantly affects the victim, then I guess I'll switch my vote to Devil Doom.
If DD really does just has passive nerve paralysis gas (which he can supposedly control), and that apparently isn't similar to any of the other kinds of paralysis shown in Dragon Ball, and instantly affects the victim, then I guess I'll switch my vote to Devil Doom.
DaimaouAshura
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I'm not saying DD is helpless my guy I'm saying that those powers aren't a 100% safety device for him and that all in all I think Goku has the edge with his when all is said and done - the argument I was answering sounds like it's just ultra clear cut. As for the latter point, Goku would just try and blast the entire thing when needed.
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Bro just post scans
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Devil Doom is too durable from that, being able to tank Super Shadow's Chaos Blast and not get hurt
DaimaouAshura
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Dude. Pal. That is my whole point. Why do I need to get out of the thread, walk through episode by episode of DBS and get screenshots to prove things that are already proven, of a character that is probably the most well known anime face ever.
Refer to the "provbe the sky is blue" metaphor. I have free time on me to debate but not enough to use it on redundant debating.
If this were me arguing I dunno Blood Lad or nameobscureanime101 I'd be showering the thread in scans because I know no one knows that character. Here you're basically telling me to waste time to prove something everyone knows AND you should know because you even read the manga.
