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Goku and Vegeta and bardock should have limited self sustenance
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Could you call the other staff that replied in the thread to see what they now think? New arguments have been made so they might change their opinion.
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I think AKM makes sense.
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Well, 2, likely 3, staff disagree (@AKM sama, @DarkDragonMedeus and assuming @SamanPatou disagrees as well since it's not very clear to me) and only 1 staff agrees (@Colonel_Krukov). Do we need more to disagree? Or is this enough?
Vietthai96
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Huh, can breath in low oxygen environment was never stamina in the first place
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I don't think it should be in the stamina section, it should be in powers and abilities, surviving with an oxygen concentration of practically nothing cannot be achieved with stamina especially when the saiyans weren't holding their breath or anything in these conditions, they were still able to breathe.
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Limited Self-Sustenance is not a thing. You can not have a portion of infinity. Either you can survive infinitely without oxygen, or you cannot.
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This is enough.
This is something that cannot be accurately determined. They could be.
Vietthai96
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I think you interpret the word Limited in a wrong way. Limited is more like you are being limited in method, being restricted in some condition, etc......
I'm not agree with Limited Self-Sustenance in OP because Goku still sustenance himself with oxy, just he can still operating even the extremely low oxygen environment he is in; but again the feat is still noteworthy and just dumb it down to stamina is inaccurate and personal bias
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You cannot call everything you disagree with "inaccurate and personal bias"; that would be biased.
And, yes, the feat is noteworthy.
Still a stamina feat, though.
Where else would we put it, Speed? His Summary? Stamina is literally where this stuff goes.
And, yes, the feat is noteworthy.
Still a stamina feat, though.
Where else would we put it, Speed? His Summary? Stamina is literally where this stuff goes.
Vietthai96
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Can you or other can explain how oxygen related to stamina?? None, that why i said it is inaccurate and personal bias, because you guy prefer your way of interpretation
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Why not? If someone can fight for some periods without breathing an adequate amount of oxygen, it should be considered as a stamina feat. It's like how we also rate people who can go for days without eating.
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Stamina is not simply how long a character can run for. Cardio and the like are the most basic components of stamina. Stamina is just how long you can endure stress and strain and other physical obstacles which would include battling in low oxygen environments, training in areas with a thin atmosphere, or holding your breath underwater for longer than normal.
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I'm changing my opinion to agree with AKM. If we can't determine if they were holding their breath or are naturally capable of fighting without needing to breath where it would normally be impossible to, then I suggest having it as a stamina feat or having a "possibly limited self-sustanance", which ever works best.
Vietthai96
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Again, Goku don't hold breath, he suffer no negative effect when in low oxygen environment. If he suffering it but push himself further, adapt or something it is stamina feat. But he suffer nothing, fight at full capacity and even continue to power up before he exert all of his energy
Training is an entirely different case, the ability to endure a long period of time when it come to low oxygen is byproduct, but it have limit and eventually runout which fit under stamina. Oxygen is a life sustenance property, even if you have limitless stamina, lack it you will eventualy die
Vietthai96
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Eh, what about Gogeta and Broly, the DBS one??
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I can implement the stamina additions
Vietthai96
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Again this is my proposal
write a line like this: Can breath in extreme poor oxygen environment and link this to Self-Sustenance page on Power and Abilities section
write a line like this: Can breath in extreme poor oxygen environment and link this to Self-Sustenance page on Power and Abilities section
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Done!
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I think Vegito and Gogeta probably need to be updated as well. The profile already claims they both can potentially possess almost all the abilities and techniques Goku and Vegeta have.
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