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Hazbin Hotel - Immortality + Hax + Cosmic Feats + Adam Addition

Alexander said:
but specifically we only see sinners in pentagram city, NO ******* IMP, OR GOETIA OR SUCCUBUS AT THE ******* SIGHT
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Highly debatable for the main series... also Hazbin's pilot straight up proves you wrong we see both Blitzø and Moxxie in Charlie's song lmfao
 
ShionAH said:
Are you fcking playing with me? Ive said that Lilith AND Sinners were the reason of the threat like three times.
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1) And I told you many times that Lilith is out of the game for SEVEN YEARS;
2) So you are thus conceding that a large amount of Sinners is still a threat to angels. Thanks.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
1) And I told you many times that Lilith is out of the game for SEVEN YEARS;
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WHICH IS A MYSTERY
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
2) So you are thus conceding that a large amount of Sinners is still a threat to angels. Thanks.
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Thanks?? Thanks????? I am saying LILITH AND SINNERS ARE A THREAT. THEY ARE A THREAT BECAUSE THEY BOTH EXIST

X + Y = Threat

X is Lilith and Y is Sinners.

THIS IS SO SIMPLE. STOP IGNORING IT OR MAKING STUFF UP OR MISINDERSTANDING ON PURPOSE.

THEY ARE A THREAT, NOT HER OR SINNERS. THEM. BOTH. ALL. NOT ONE. THEY ARE CONNECTED.
 
ShionAH said:
WHICH IS A MYSTERY

I will choke you, I am saying LILITH AND SINNERS ARE A THREAT. THEY ARE A THREAT BECAUSE THEY BOTH EXIST

X + Y = Threat

X is Lilith and Y is Sinners.

THIS IS SO SIMPLE. STOP IGNORING IT OR MAKING STUFF UP OR MISINDERSTANDING ON PURPOSE.

THEY ARE A THREAT, NOT HER OR SINNERS. THEM. BOTH. ALL. NOT ONE. THEY ARE CONNECTED.
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ShionAH said:
WHICH IS A MYSTERY
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Yeah, Charlie and Vaggie definitely don’t know that! Neither did Hell notice that their leader is gone even after 7 years! Not Sera that NEVER even mentions Lilith! Absolutely!
ShionAH said:
Thanks?? Thanks????? I am saying LILITH AND SINNERS ARE A THREAT. THEY ARE A THREAT BECAUSE THEY BOTH EXIST

X + Y = Threat

X is Lilith and Y is Sinners.
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This means that Sinners are still a contribution.
Also I just realized that it doesn’t really matter since Lilith is not an Angel anyways, so even if we accept your ignorance of Lilith not being a part of equation long ago, it still implies that an Angel can be harmed by non-angelic stuff.
 
DaReaperMan said:
but generally it goes Pentious/Average Sinners/Blitzø(Sinners can be pathetic in combat if you really want to get into it.)<<most of the cast(Husk and Angel went 2v100 with an entire hellborn gang with only minor injuries to their names, and can push back against Exorcists assuming they have weapons that don't get cut through)<<General Overlords(2/3 of the Vees and just overlords we have no idea about, Vaggie and Lute are in this tier, as is general Excorcist durability)<<<Base Alastor and Vox<<<Adam<<<Lucifer/Other Seraphim.
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Alastor <<< Vox on this website btw, funnily enough
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
This means that Sinners are still a contribution.
Also I just realized that it doesn’t really matter since Lilith is not an Angel anyways, so even if we accept your ignorance of Lilith not being a part of equation long ago, it still implies that an Angel can be harmed by non-angelic stuff.
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Lucifer proved this by having fire in his hands, which shows that, at least his fire is enough to hurt Adam
 
Alexander said:
i mean but it was clear she was
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no? Nothing actually implies she was a sinner, it was all just assumptions from wog, vasago's design was repurposed to an ars goetia and even then, we know hellborn (rosie who is also in the image iirc) can still be overlords anyway's so it's possible he is also an overlord as well. Also weren't the images supposed to show alastor rivalling hells greatest entities, which the goetia are, not labelling the overlords
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
no? Nothing actually implies she was a sinner, it was all just assumptions from wog, vasago's design was repurposed to an ars goetia and even then, we know hellborn (rosie who is also in the image iirc) can still be overlords anyway's so it's possible he is also an overlord as well. Also weren't the images supposed to show alastor rivalling hells greatest entities, which the goetia are, not labelling the overlords
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now people say she is a hellborn, but i still have the "WHERE IS THE SOURCE"
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
It was confirmed all the way back in the alastor comic, and considering all the cannibal demons look like a species similar to imps. It's clear thats what their going for
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1. where is the source to read that comic?
2. their blood is ******* red, do people forget this detail?
 
Alexander said:
1. where is the source to read that comic?
2. their blood is ******* red, do people forget this detail?
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1. I can't remember, look it up on the wiki
2. Is it stated that hellborn blood is different? Since iirc some hellborn have red blood such as the loan shark guys that tried to drug angel or charlie herself, it differs. Also could just be a censorship thing between hazbin and helluva
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
1. I can't remember, look it up on the wiki
2. Is it stated that hellborn blood is different? Since iirc some hellborn have red blood such as the loan shark guys that tried to drug angel or charlie herself, it differs. Also could just be a censorship thing between hazbin and helluva
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1. even hazbin fans admit that they have to look through a wiki
2. that doesn't make any ******* sense, censorship? in a +16/+18 series? and for BLOOD????? also Charlie is not hellborn like other hellborns, her parents are an seraphim and a human/demon/sinner (still confusing what the hell is lilith)also you proved my point, those sharks are sinners, not Hellborn, Hellborn specifically blew black, not red.
people can say alot of things about vivziepop, she is either evil and the worst person of earth (i disagree)or the best person on earth (disagree too)but you cannot just say she was not consistent with this that the blood of sinners and hellborn are different.
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
i hate that throwaway "almost beat you" line, people took it and ran to say vox is superior. I wanna strangle people through the screen sometimes






Vague af statement
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Be like me. Instead of being pissed about this (Vox's attitude), make it something you can entertain yourself with (Alastor's attutude).
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
For the record, I only agreed with Low High. I understand and even appreciate FinePoint's perspective of trying to adhere to a verses' intentions, but there should also be showings of this in practice. Until a proper low godly feat is found, I'd stick to Low High as originally suggested.
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For the record, I also only made that statement under the assumption there was WOG of destroying their souls being the only way to kill them, and that a lack of feats was the only issue.

However, going over the listed scan, it seems like all she actually says is that they "can't really kill each other" which aligns just fine with Low-High.

So unless evidence is found which actually references the soul, I have to retract back to Low-High as well.
 
FinePoint said:
For the record, I also only made that statement under the assumption there was WOG of destroying their souls being the only way to kill them, and that a lack of feats was the only issue.

However, going over the listed scan, it seems like all she actually says is that they "can't really kill each other" which aligns just fine with Low-High.

So unless evidence is found which actually references the soul, I have to retract back to Low-High as well.
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Alastor mentions something about tearing someone soul appart (Husk in this case)
 
Alexander said:
ok are we lost or something?
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There may be a language barrier here. I will try to simplify this.

It is obvious that souls exist. It is obvious that souls can be hurt.
It is not obvious that this is the only way a demon can die.
It is possible that destroying a demon's entire body more than just digesting them could kill them too.
 
FinePoint said:
There may be a language barrier here. I will try to simplify this.

It is obvious that souls exist. It is obvious that souls can be hurt.
It is not obvious that this is the only way a demon can die.
It is possible that destroying a demon's entire body more than just digesting them could kill them too.
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Sinner, because normal demons, like hellborn, don't have souls, we know this because the only statement related to souls are for humans.
also that explanation makes no sense because, again, if the soul is destroyed, they just die and their essence fuses with the enviroment
 
Alexander said:
Sinner, because normal demons, like hellborn, don't have souls, we know this because the only statement related to souls are for humans.
also that explanation makes no sense because, again, if the soul is destroyed, they just die and their essence fuses with the enviroment
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Sinners, categorically, are humans which are being punished in Hell.
I believe Charlie specifically refers to them as souls as well.
 
Alexander said:
yes, but again, only humans have been shown to be able to be in hell or heaven by dying
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If you're questioning their regeneration/resurrection, then I believe specific scans for it were already requested.
Otherwise, I think it's mostly implied by cannibal town existing along with the sinners being unable to die.
 
FinePoint said:
There may be a language barrier here. I will try to simplify this.

It is obvious that souls exist. It is obvious that souls can be hurt.
It is not obvious that this is the only way a demon can die.
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Ngl Soul Erasure stuff for Angelic Weapons is even contradicted given that the original scan apparently does not even say that as @ActuallySpaceMan42 noticed, and WoG directly mentions that Sinners' final death will leave dark evil energy and soul remnant in it on the ground (something we actually see in the show).
 
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Regarding interview stuff, I would prefer waiting until they are supported by published material.

Immortality, Invulnerability Etc.
  • Sinners + High Tier Demons
    • Immortality (Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 8 [Soul])
      • Do you have an example for 3 and 4?
        • 1: Eternal Life - Sinners don't seem to grow old. The Sins are hella old. Not sure about Goetia level demons dying of old age.
        • 2: Resilient Immortality - Sinners can walk around with typically fatal injuries. Have Goetia been shown casually walking with fatal injuries.
        • 3: Immortality via regeneration - Do we have a scene of sinners and Goetia regenerating from an injury?
        • 4: Immortality via reincarnation or resurrection - Do we have a scene of this happening to Sinners and Goetia?
        • 8: Reliant Immortality - For Sinners, any are reliant on having a soul. Not sure about Goetia.
    • Regeneration (Low-Godly - Sinners are implied to be capable of surviving being eaten by cannibals, more than once. Erasing their soul is the only way to kill them)
      • Low-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other non-physical aspect of themself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else.
      • Is there an example of regen from complete physical destruction of the user's body in the show?
  • High Tier Angels + Possibly for Angels
Cosmic Stuff
Adam
Speed
  • Lucifer and Adam would scale to FTL in combat speed, no "possibly"
    • They pretty much react and fight whilst flying which just makes it a straight up FTL feat.
      • Regarding the alleged feat, I don't recall a clip of Stolas ever flying (in his normal form) in the series overall.
Hax
  • Purification and Morality Manipulation (Evil - Angelic Weapons are capable of killing and erasing souls, then disrupting and releasing the evilness of Sinners)
    • Regarding interview stuff, I would prefer waiting until they are supported by published material.
 
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