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Then this entire talk of if Al downscales is pointless.In OP.
Hazbin Hotel: Vox causes a power outage
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Just make Adam upscale and that's it.
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God Tier Hazbin Hotel Revisions
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Just make Adam upscale and that's it.
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One feat, one anti-feat.
So, who's higher in scaling Strym? Adam(who one-shot the supposed source of most of the other guy's power) or Alastor?
I'll give you a hint, it's the guy who has the anti-feat.
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Vice versa. If the God Tiers makes only small 9-A explosions and scales to 3-A via upscaling from lower people, he will be 3-A, not the lower person becoming 9-A.
Sorry if I sounded angry, lol. Maybe I caught cursing a lot from you and Shion too much.
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Usually in those cases, there's more than one feat to go with both sides, or we have contextual consistency.
HH doesn't have that, it's Vox's feat or Adam's feat, Neither were performed casually, and Alastor's Low 7-C feat backs both Tiers up, so the only advantage is which is closer to the feat that gored Alastor's tentacles. We both know which one that is.
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Not really, especially when we’re close, we pick higher one. There’s a reason why GF is 8-B+ despite Gideon being somewhat affected.
Low 7-C is not even something Alastor directly made, it’s just a result of the ship crushing to the ground.
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No, we pick the most contextually consistent option. In this case, one character scales higher and performs a worse feat while bloodlusted, and also actually chops the tentacles that got gored to bits.
As for the Gideon comparison, I peeked at his profile. He's literally listed as comparable to Dipper and ******* no-sold the 1-ton feat, in no way is that a comparable situation to what we have here, maybe in an alternate universe where Gideon was superior to Dipper and didn't no-sell the feat???
He crushed it like coal to diamons then it blew up lmfao
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Reaper, this bullshit way of thinking doesn't work.
Not only is a massive AoE fallacy, but you're acting as if calcs denote the maximum AP of a character, when instead is the minimal.
Let's take OPM here. Boros' CSRC, his strongest attack ever, uses (iirc) the average surface wipe, which is in Petatons, yet he's still in Exatons via scaling.
Garou too, despite having a casual 4-A feat, literally ***** his own pants at Saitama destroying Jupiter, which is 4-C at best calc wise.
Yet we don't cap these feats at what they're calced at, we cap them at what the character scales to (I hope you don't think the serious sneeze being an anti feat again 4-A OPM now).
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With AW.
In both cases in GF it was casual, in both cases in HH those are bloodlusted, so comparison still works.
Still not direct, but indirect cause.
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I'm talking about snapping the cane with a ranged energy Slash ya lemming lmfao
It really doesn't, ya pretty much need an exact comparison
...the point of calcs is to note down specific feats to know what numbers we're looking at. If you want to use 7-A Vox, don't in the same CRT make an anti-feat. We try to get the most accurate values, which means that you need to account for anti-feats.
Ignoring all anti-feats is the worst option to go for, just as how ignoring all higher feats is the worst option to go for. If you don't want any scrutiny at all, then find some obscure verse only you can scale that doesn't reach tier 1. I'm serious. If you don't want my skepticism and style of scaling which is literally searching for a tier I think is pretty much bulletproof, then find a verse I don't know(or don't care about) and scale that.
Oh look, a verse with it's own contexts~
Say it with me everyone: "Whataboutisms aren't an argument"
I do not care what Manga #91818491280274 does, I care about what Hazbin does.
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Ignoring the "woe is me" speech above, no.
It's not whataboutism, it's how the Wiki works.
Undertale also has this with High 8-Cs having 9-B to 8-C attacks, but none of these are assumed to be just that via calcs, they're all assumed to be High 8-C+ via scaling.
Is this a challenge? Are you perhaps threatening me with downgrades?
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there's a reason I put don't care about in parentheses, I usually don't give a shit about your verses unless I'm matchmaking lol
I'm going to be blunt, How Undertale scaling is handled right now in my opinion is horrible so like... not the best thing to try and use as ammo against me. I could write a post the length of a small novel on everything I don't like about how UT is handled right now lol
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I could also use Danganronpa, Pokemon, and so on...
Your standards have no place here.
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Pokémon scaling is in of itself pretty bad, and I don't care about Danganronpa.
But the long and short of it is, because you keep bringing up other verses, you don't have an argument that hasn't already been stated. Or just don't have an argument depending on how you look at it.(I think it's the former.)
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Don't think Hazbin Hotel really has many anti-feats, at most the cast are generally just featless tbh
Alastor is in the upper echelon of power and I don't think his casual destruction of Sir Pentious Ship (Who's consistently treated as a joke) really disproves him being 7-A.
Alastor is in the upper echelon of power and I don't think his casual destruction of Sir Pentious Ship (Who's consistently treated as a joke) really disproves him being 7-A.
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Thank you for telling me what you are as a scaler, I now know how seriously I have to read your takes now lol.
Nah you didn't counter anything, you just said "calcs denote the maximum because I say so".
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I... never said it specifically did on it's own? I mean that feat in of itself doesn't scale to the cast besides Al for WoG reasons but that's neither here nor there.
Like, really it's very minor back-up for an argument that frankly goes either way and I just prefer the way I view as more accurate
Considering your takes include 9-A Sans, if I'm a joke, I'm ironing out one of these bad boys for you, and I haven't given one out in a hot minute!
I never said I countered it, Strym, just that there wasn't an argument other than what was already stated. That is usually the case with debates ya know.
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Double standards, you literally argue that Adam can't be 7-A coz "lol calc", then go against this despite the argument is the same!
Smh.
I'll take that as you conceding.
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I'm not, and will never be, getting into this argument with you strym, but to put it vaguely, I think that calc is wrong. But this is derailing, and trying to take it to my wall will result in deletion as soon as I notice it.
I enjoy Undertale for the characters and story, not because I can make a child punt a flower that breaks timelines. Same reason I tend to not argue either Terraria or Minecraft.
Yeah, no. Some of us have a life outside of arguing. I argue because I enjoy the debate, especially when there is a point to be had from both sides. But the details of a debate are usually hashed out in 2-4 posts from both sides, from there, it's beating your head against the wall.
We all have our own views, make sure to remember that, yeah?
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I don't think that's how Anti-feats works.
Adam would simply upscale and that wouldn't negate the scaling chain
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Adam's Calc
I heavily disagree with this downgrade, Adam's Light is able to vaporize literal steel. It would absolutely vaporize stone the same way, you cannot assume all the stone in Hell is suddenly resistant to Heat at that level.
Alastor abilities
For the record Adam also says "You really think you can take me on?! A mortal soul is no match for me edge lord!" He is not impressed by Al or smth, he is just being a douche.
Adam PnA
Blitz him? BLITZ? Dude. Adam was knocked OUT, he was literally just laying there. How the hell does that scene mean he blitzed Adam? BRO WAS COOKED?
I heavily disagree with this downgrade, Adam's Light is able to vaporize literal steel. It would absolutely vaporize stone the same way, you cannot assume all the stone in Hell is suddenly resistant to Heat at that level.
Alastor abilities
- Even after getting his cane broken, which heavily weakened him and nullified his demon form, his radio filter still worked while getting stabbed by the Angelic Weapon, Adam's guitar axe, even though Angelic Weapons nullified and disabled Stolas' magic during the direct contact with him.
- After being stabbed by an Angelic Weapon, he was later seen without a wound despite it being seen seconds before.
- Reality Warping
- Remove Soul Rupture and move it to Sinner Physiology as "Limited"
- Death Manipulation should be Limited
- New justifications for Social Influencing
- Creation
- Resistance to Electricity Manipulation
- making him stroke his chin and call Alastor "tough shit".
For the record Adam also says "You really think you can take me on?! A mortal soul is no match for me edge lord!" He is not impressed by Al or smth, he is just being a douche.
Adam PnA
- Angels suck at fighting due to being invincible to Sinners and so did Adam against Alastor (he literally calls him sloppy and lacking discipline & control). Yeah, he should be Average. Also add the lack of skill to weaknesses.
- It should become Limited just like in others' profiles. He did not power null Alastor, he simply lost his powers for a sec due to cane being broken.
- Specifically harming Alastor's shadows part should be removed. They were designed to be capable harming Adam, thus not being untouchable.
- Speficially "Superior to Alastor" should be removed for reasons in Alastor's section.
- Simple. FTL comes from this. Lucifer was not taking Adam seriously at all, and once he got mad, he literally blitzed him. Thus, no reason to say he was at his fastest when flying.
Blitz him? BLITZ? Dude. Adam was knocked OUT, he was literally just laying there. How the hell does that scene mean he blitzed Adam? BRO WAS COOKED?
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I feel like that was moreso just cause adam brute forced his way through alastors attacks, not because Adam nullified his abilities. Anyway's stolas was bound by angelic rope while alastor was just slashed. THEN AGAIN, at the end of the stolas episode, stolas had to be hospitalized for far less damage (my goat alastor walking that slash of like the goat, fraud gay owl) so ehhhhhh. Also the fact that none of the normal executioner's weapons could bypass al's sheild till adam saitama'd it could either prove1 of 3 things
1. Angelic weapons power null needs to be physically on the person to weaken them
2. Angelic weapons power null fluxtuates on the power of the person using and the person it's being used on (Ie alastor > stolas, but adam > al)
3. Al just resists angelic weapons power null
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A bit unfair, the gay owl had his arms and legs stabbed, thrown and beaten around and etc.
But yeah both did their recovery off screen so its useless
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Alastor had the leader of the executioners, an archangel. Slash a massive wound on his chest (keep in mind that this would actually kill someone in real life), the same guy that needed strongest being in hell to take down. Gay owl was hospitalised by a marxist imp with leftover holy weaponry.........couldn't be my goat
Alastor's recovery only took until nearly the end of the song lmfao, which iirc was 12 minutes between him getting slashed and him finishing his song........stolas had to be operated on, my goat walked it off with a smile on his face
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SPOILERS
Al recovered better sure, but still off screen so its useless
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Didn't the book come out? Plus it's not really that much of a spoiler, doesn't give any buffs, just what type of angel he is
Al recovered faster from a much larger wound............stolas was hospitalised for at least a few hours, the timeframe of alastor's recovery and his injury roughly line up with the actual time in the episode since lucifer used magic to fix the hotel
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The playbill……..this isn’t part of the season 2 leaks lol.
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This doesn’t mean anything. If you can vaporize a small metal cube, does it mean that with enough range you will be able to vaporize a wall? Building? Chinese Great Wall? Planet?
Just because it vaporizes X volume of steel doesn’t mean it would be able to vaporize Y volume of stone, Shion, that’s not how calcs work.
The attack should have touched cane first. Alastor looked at his cane broken at cursed at that, all of the evidence points out to the fact that cane is the reason. It’s even pointed out on Alastor’s profile. You just want to wank Adam.
You do realize that Adam’s “feat” happened offscreen as well? Both required some seconds before they were shown without the wound.
If you want to say that he only regened his coat, then we can say the same thing for Adam lol.
Completely ignored this part.
Not really. He was asking if he really can take him on, and after Alastor says he should know better than anyone what a soul taking his fate in his hands can accomplish and harms him, he’s legit surprised and calls him tough shit.
It’s not only PnA but fine.
It probably requires so much skill to use basic Telekinesis.
Only in direct contact with the demon itself, and Alastor was not hit by Adam’s shockwave.
Because it was the cane broken that made Alastor to lose all of its powers as he himself implies a second later.
Sans’ attacks have feats of being intangible, Alastor’s shadows do not. Each and every instance of their usage were physical interactions. Thus we see them as physical, unless you have feats for them.
This does not make him superior in LS. Appeal to incredulity. Also if you want to be consistent with @DaReaperMan, then you shouldn’t be using leaks.
Just because he tries to dodge does not mean he was at top speed — he was still dicking around. If I try to dodge 8 y. o. random kid, I don’t necessarily go all off.
Above Stolas via…?
Guy with Superhuman Stamina and Immortality Type 2 who later tanked Lucifer’s punches? Ha!
He can’t react to it = blitzed.
Heck you consider Adam tagging Alastor “a blitz”, but don’t do so with Lucifer. True double standards moment.
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Actually, this kinda goes against AW’s dura neg/7-A proposal… ****.
My man spitting facts.
And Alastor was also dominating the fight and even harmed him before Adam used light attack (that Al never saw btw) that blinded him and broke his cane, massively weakening him. Fr the goat.
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The Glaze...
"You THINK you are tough shit huh?"
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If you beat me upand I just lay there on the ground, you then jump and punch me. Do you now suddenly have subsonic speeds because you "blitzed" human perception? This is bad logic and YOU know it. I am sure
Its how calcs work when dealing with abilities which have canonically shown to exceed 5000 celcius lol. It vaporizes shit harder to vaporize so its vaporazation.
Destroying his cane wouldnt suddenly kill and stop all his magic and projectiles, where was that stated?
Okay
No tf? Its so ******* different, Al ***** off for the entire episode and comes back AT THE VERY END. Adam gets stabbed and in the next scene which cinematically takes place a few seconds after is completely fine.
When.
"You THINK you are tough shit huh?"
READ
Techniques are skill feats. You are not suggesting we would like remove all of Gojos Intelligence because its abilities right? Lol
No he does not, there is no proof for the claim that his cane sources all his powers especially when we see he can still manipulate shadows after its broken
Yeah I have a feat for them, being shadows. Yknow Als magic is ACTUALLY shadows, we see this all the time with his weird multiple selves shadow thingy. You should know this
He is shown to be much more powerful and stronger than Al. He also breaks out of Lucifers grapple and out LSs Charlie.
Scaling. Lucifer and higher beings should be much faster, stronger than Stolas. Vivzie stated that Angelic Magic and abilities hold a domain over Demonic. Adam and Lucifer being a billion times slower than a Goetia is dumb asf
He was nearly immobile and motionless in that scene, jumping someone who is nearly dead while they are laying down is not a feat.
If you beat me upand I just lay there on the ground, you then jump and punch me. Do you now suddenly have subsonic speeds because you "blitzed" human perception? This is bad logic and YOU know it. I am sure
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Vox is also the self proclaimed “strongest overlord” tho context wise I think it’s talking about influence rather than power
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Yeah, your glaze for Adam is unbelievable, I agree.
Even if it is heat, it can still be a pulv. The problem is that the volume of HH building + small mountain below it that Adam destroyed is FAR bigger than the Pentious’ ship.
“What just happened? [Looks at the cane] ****."
Make 2+2, or just pretend that there is nothing here.
Also, if you want to go by leaks (SPOILERS), Alastor basically beggs for his cane to be fixed by “owner”.
No? We see the wound in his Finale song and some seconds later (literally next scene), there is no found. Tf are you talking about?
Alastor did the same shit.
^Ignored the context.
False equivalence. Gojo has got his intelligence for his own feats, Adam legit uses basic TK to defend himself. Nothing impressive.
AKA, you ignored all of my proof. Thank you for saying that outloud.
His radio voice and shadows with electricity all go off.
His shadow is not multiple selves. And again, he just manipulates them being physical. Unless you have a feat that they actually behave non-physical while being able to harm somebody else, AKA selective intangibility, something you have no proof of.
That’s why we have no feat of him being stronger via LS than Al, and it’s actually vice versa.
Then scale him to them, not Alastor.
Lucifer scales via hierarchy which does not remotely include Adam.
Not speed.
Lucifer? Yeah. Adam? No.
Again, appeal to incredulity.
All they did was to slam him at earth that took to “knock him out”, as you say. He doesn’t seem much bothered by being slammed into the wall before, so your logic doesn’t work.
I never even saw scan of this.
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Jokes aside, I don't think the reason for Adam scaling from Lucifer really convincing tbh, especially when Lucifer was playing with him all the time.
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It was also a much bigger and powerful blast, again you have no proof its pulv while there are atleast argument for vapo.
He was confused, no idea how that means "oh no my cane which made all my attacks disappear because it broken"
Oh wait hmm, I forgot his wound is seen in his song. I think I change my mind on this.
But like nor do you have proof that they are tangible. So we go by the straight forward option.
I am fine with that I guess.
Adam is = Lilith and >= Charlie both who are above Stolas.
Both Lucifer and Charlie used their COMBINED power to slam him against the ground. That was an A+ Attack tbh.
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Read the Adam part
Not even funny.
Adam only really scales in LS and Speed, LS because he straight up breaks out of his grasp and Speed because he scales above Stolas, his own flight speed and is shown to be catch and react to Lucifer Flying.
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Damn Shion, so if a Tier 6 character vaporizes a home, then EVERY blow of his that make other shit disappear must be vaporization.
Wowza, peak logic.
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Except that he also uses magic without his staff…..and if you wanna go the leaks he’s been capable of magic as a human and his Soul is > zestial’s soul without the deal anyways so like eh
Spoilers for the leaks he stitches his wound with magic (still he scales above the gay twink owl, seriously that owl that I ******* hate)
I sent it on the general discussion thread
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Tbf vaporising a metal block the size of a house is probably going to cause more energy per cubic cm than it does to destroy a mountain of feathers which I assume is shions point. Tho there’s inverse square law which kinda nullifies it from what I know. Maybe just keep it as potentially
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Pulverisation is the end we go for if there’s no evidence for vaporisation but nothing showing fragmentation
That’s a dark way of putting it. Personally we found it hilarious
Bravo
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