I will complete Strym but with another argument.
This part of the argument alone doesn't make sense. That's like saying "I am right because I am right." And again, that's one random weakness that has no proof. Why would anyone use that kind of orb, to begin with? That's stretching it.
More than often, Frisk just learns about the enemy's personality and they use it to pacify them. Such as laughing at Snowdrake's jokes, singing along Shyren, appealing to Glyde's ego etc. There is no other example like Madjick. They start the battle and "staring" is one of the first actions Frisk thinks of for some reason.
That's partially what I am saying. If something just got weakened by Frisk's gaze randomly instead of them specifically using this ability, then the whole action would be a waste of turn since orbs would be made useless the moment the fight starts. Now that I think about it, this further proof that "Stare" is more of Frisk's ability that they actively use.
No, you misunderstood me. Frisk can't reduce someone's statistics in general. I was just explaining for what reason I think your argument is wrong.
Madjick is the only monster who uses magical items. They are a wizard, mistake Frisk for one when they use a stick and there is also narration such as "Smells like magic." Any other monster who uses magic does so on their own.
First of all, Flowey isn't a monster. Secondly, the reason why monsters can't absorb human souls is the same reason why Flowey can't absorb monster souls prior to being Omega Flowey.
Did you replay the game anytime recently? Asriel indeed wants to play with Frisk forever but he also mentions that to do so he will defeat Frisk and take the control of timeline. Absorbing Frisk's soul is in his best interests. He could just do that, reset the timeline, then return Frisk's soul.
Headcanon at its finest. Stop using the interpretation that will benefit your favourite verse the most in vs shit and use context instead.
Downplay at its finest. Properly explain why I am wrong if you believe so instead of false accusations. Here is Asriel's quote:
I know that? I didn't imply otherwise.
Did you read my argument? He can just release Frisk's soul later on. Asriel has already shown capability to return everybody's souls.
None of this says he plans to absorb them. It just means he planned to kill the over and over until their DT fails. He already had the power to reset everything with 6 humans SOULs + All monster SOULs, so why he needs Frisk's too?
Too bad nothing says he planned to absorb Frisk's SOUL.
What changes Flowey from not being a monster is that he is able to absorb the souls of monsters. And I didn't understand the second part of the sentence, but Omega Flowey never absorbed the souls of monsters.
He is not a monster because is literally a plant with DT.
No my guy. Flowey textbook says he wants to play with you forever, no ifs and buts.
Flowey is not the most reliable anyway. We also don't know how he wanted to "play" with us. Maybe he meant absorbing us destroying the entire cosmology then torturing us forever? If he only wanted to play why did he try to get control over the timeline by killing us until our DT is not enough to fight back against him? Its too vague my guy.
We already saw how he planned to play, killing us over and over in the Photoshop Flowey fight.
I never said he planned to absorb them. But the fact that he tries to make DT fail instead of just absorbing their soul is more than enough proof that he couldn't do it.
He didn't have that kind of power as his determination was matched by Frisk. That's why he tried to kill them beforehand. Or is this headcanon as well? It is already accepted by wiki.
You are just putting words to my mouth. I never said he planned it. But it is also blatantly shown that he couldn't. There would be nothing stopping him if he could.
Weren't you talking about how Asriel just wants to play with Frisk? You can't show others as an example of why he wouldn't release Frisk later on. You are just nitpicking with no real argument at this point.
What I call Omega Flowey is Flowey with 6 souls. He already takes all of them right before absorbing monster souls on the True Pacifist Route.
You realize that you need to extract the soul before absorbing it right? At least if we are talking about the soul of a living being. That's why the normal method is killing someone (essentially exposing their soul) as the other option isn't usually possible due to the immense energy it requires.
The only main difference between a human soul and a monster soul is their strength. But they are generally much more similar than you think. For instance, monsters used to think monster souls are made of love and compassion but because humans don't need that, the very nature of souls is called into question. As you can see, they don't do a monster/human discrimination in the latter part despite talking about a different kind of soul altogether. It stands to reason that absorbing semeone's soul regardless of their race is a difficult task. Especially when both monsters and humans had a similar rule about how you need to defeat them before absorbing them only for the former to hold untrue.
He doesn't say something like that
He never tried to absorb them, so 0 proof of Frisk resisting that.
You know that is a weakness of absorption, right? They can't absorb stuff if is not defeated in a fight. This ain't a feat for Frisk, but the other way around.
If I remember correctly, somewhere above you were talking about how Asriel's AoE didn't absorb Frisk just because Asriel chose so. However not only does that make zero sense as it would mean Flowey didn't take an opportunity presented to him, it also means that Asriel should be conscious of such option at the very least. And yet, he still goes on and on about taking the control of timeline, killing Frisk etc.
What are you talking about? Is this chewbacca defense?
Who can't absorb stuff? If you are talking about Frisk, then I never said they tried to absorb something.
You are speaking way too vaguely. What is not feat for Frisk? Matching Determination is a feat for both. Absorbing the whole Underground is a feat for Flowey. Resisting it is a feat for Frisk
Pretty sure Psychomaster35 agreed to all propositions.
Why would he absorb Frisk if he already has 7 SOULs at hand?
No, it's how it's described. Monsters can absorb souls only if the human is defeated.
Because he massively overpowered them? He has 6 SOULs at the time lmao.
No, is a weakness right because the hax itself is ass.
You know, I feel like you are purposefully ignoring my arguments at this point. This is just your previous argument worded differently. Then let me explain again. Asriel's determination was matchd and therefore, his 7 SOULs were enough. Just absorbing Frisk would easily end this whole ordeal.
Ok but... The section you replied to wasn't even about that. That's why I called it chewbacca defense.
Exactly! Or to be more precise, he had enough power to meet the required energy to absorb all those souls. This is literally what I am talking right below the paragraph you replied to.
The best argument in this wiki
Because the absorption can't absorb beings as powerful as the user. They need to be defeated ans weakened 1st.
Or maybe he didn't want to.
Thank you, I know that being based is hard.
Not really impressive, since you don't giving a example of how good these soldies are, saying "trained" don't means nothing, we need festa.
You're reaching now, Undyne not mocking Frisk for they usage of weapons can't be use as evidence If they are bad or good at weanpory by a number of reasos, include she just not insult him because she din't think about.
I guess, but he still hitting something that don't Dodge, i really don't see how that's impressive.
No really, is just show how good is he accurancy(trowing a snow Ball on a hole
) don't mean how skilled they are at using.
No, it's being a decent person to a trauma victim that just got the capacity to feel emotion back after who knows how many years stuck as a flower through multiple timelines. OF COURSE Asriel's going to feel overwhelmed. Are we boutta give Frisk emp manip for making Flowey have a breakdown through Mercy as well?
It makes perfect sense to me. Plenty of monsters have quirks and weaknesses that are rather random. Extremely random, even. So much so that I don't think it can even be used as an argument here. And Frisk has no idea about plenty of said weaknesses, either.
This moreso provides reason on why this isn't an ability. If Frisk does have it, WHY do they not use it on anyone else. Stat reduction in a game that's super hyper about stats sounds incredibly useful. Furthermore, even in the fight where it is relevant, why do they use ONLY on the orbs? Not Madjick himself?
Provide scans on them cooling down Pyrope by hundreds of degrees, or that the temperature even got that hot. And if you mention them being able to cancel the effect of Get Hot with it, that's obviously game mechanics resetting the counter. Pyrope could just as well be acting like a little bitch over a little cold breath, which frankly, is in-character enough for me to consider it true.
Bruh, that is LITERALLY what a thermostat is for. You're confusing it for a thermometer.
Then it's a bad addition and needs to be removed.
A definition that does irk me, but nonetheless let's see what you've got.
So your whole reason for adding an ability is...an omission of it being mentioned? How is this in any way acceptable lol
Any skill more than the average human? What, to use a pan in battle? An empty gun? A stick? Why are you insisting on using game mechanics to verify the literally unverifiable?
So your accuracy in a ball game is supposed to translate with your accuracy in real weapon fights?
No it does not. Aim dodging means literally nothing, and a lot of the attacks you get informed about only hint vaguely to what they are, with the exception of Asriel, who tells you exactly what he's going to use because he probably has access to your textboxes by now.
Timeline, multiverse, doesn't really matter. You don't need enhanced senses to understand that the entirety of existence is being ripped apart by a mad god.
A gag scene is a scene in which the humor takes precedence over much of everything else, and you'll notice that UT has a lot of these. Excuse me if I think Blookie and Frisk tripping out and seeing the cosmos was supposed to be taken as a joke, and thus provides no serious rating whatsoever in any instance.
Brother, in every fight Frisk undertakes they have access to several different ACTs. These, I assume, were understood by everyone to be based on the appearance of monsters and what Frisk thinks of them. They don't develop new abilities, they don't gain new resistances and they certainly do not gain stat boosts willy-nilly. You are stretching the definition of reactive evolution incredibly paper thin.
That was a natural progression of their power achieved through gigantic amounts of determination. We don't give reactive evo just for thinking up of new ways to use powers.
Frisk literally PASSES THROUGH HIM. That is the definition of not having NCI. Gaster just gets surprised at being approached and dips.
I in fact did not.
Right, well. That seems fine-ish.
My apologies, I didn't remember that part of the game.
WeakAnyway, that'll be my last bout of evaluation for this thread. Old bones and whatnot, cannot handle many text walls like in my youth. Goodbye.
I dare you coward. Do it. Try me. 8 pm in my bedroom. You dont have the balls to do that.
Kinky
This isn't a good justification for Weapon Mastery. I know that we have almost little to no standards for this ability, but just having access to a bunch of weapons doesn't cut it. It doesn't help that from what we're shown, Frisk doesn't really seem to wield them effectively either, and it doesn't help that some of them don't even do damage or are just toys. Though you could give Frisk Martial Arts with some of these weapons, since items like the Tough Glove let's them land a few punches on someone like Undyne.
Headcanon at its finest. This kind of thing is never stated.
Which is extremely detrimental to his aim and goes against it. If you are making this argument, it means not even you believe your previous point.
I don't think I really need to give an example given how "trained" automatically defaults to "above average". And if you want an example of skill, then there is also Asgore who could casually dodge every attack from younger Undyne and has thousands of years of experience under his belt. Even Undyne herself compares these two to each other just right before telling her story:
I admit that it was a rather weak argument. But my main point is that no one ever talks about their usage of weapons, which would be weird if they were bad at it. This should indicate at least some level of proficiency. And yes, it is real possiblity that Undyne didn't think about mocking Frisk using this a point. Even so, it is would be weird as well given how she took a jab at them at the every other opportunity. "I thought humans are compassionate", "I thought humans are cool", "And let's not forget your wimpy goody-two-shoes-shtick!"
The whole encounter system is a little more than an interface for the player. What is going on isn't limited to what we see. Undyne lifts boulders, Frisk struggles to break free from Muffet's web, there is a whole audiance watching Shyren and we don't see any of that. Following that logic, Frisk almost never missing monsters is more of them succeeding to hit each time rather than game mechanics or any lack of effort on the opponent's part.
How am I supposed to write a counter when you act like that?
Don't think he saw these tho
It can't be his SOUL, monster SOULs are naturally upside down, as seen here;
Mettaton's core being akin to a human SOUL is probably due to his desire for a human-like body.
