He clearly said that he planned to kill them even a million times if necessary in order to make them give up their DT and reset the timeline to play with them forever like the old times.
It actually didn't absorb Napstablook's house. So the "it absorbs anything it touches" is baseless.
And?
Are you sure you watched the video?
No. He absorbed the entire race. The entire race is equal to 1 human soul. He had 6. 7 human souls meant he was a god. So he became a god
It is also said monsters cannot be absorbed normally and the only ones that can be absorbed are boss monsters which you have to kill first.
So why are we assuming flowey didn't try to absorb them? Why would he not try to get control?
He- You do know Napstablook literally closed his curtains and didn't let the light in? He wasn't touched so he wasn't absorbed.
I don't think it is possible to somehow see bones that are below the ground.
Because he does not want them as a part of himself, he wanted to be with his best friend like the old times (2).
It still disproves the "everything it touches is absorbed", this ain't Majin Buu mate.
Given that the bones are magic, they must have some shit that Frisk can perceive in order to dodge those.
I watched what's marked in the video, you should have fixed the marking.
The difference from the neutral and pacifist route is that in the pacifist route, Flowey absorbed the 6 souls + the soul of all the monsters because they were there.
Where was this spoken? And even so, what does that have to do with Flowey being able to absorb human souls without killing them first? Just because he can absorb the souls of boss monsters doesn't mean he can absorb humans.
He already had 6 Human SOULs and all the monsterkind at his disposal to replace the 7th SOUL. He literally said that he wanted to challenge Frisk to defeat them and "play" with them over and over. So yes, he didn't want to absorb them.
Still better than giving precognition to Frisk, otherwise they'd have 0 issues at dodging Danmaku as they's already know where to move.Headcanon
Undertale is kinda vague sometimes, so is kinda expect.
No you should have stayed there for a minute to see the absorbtion.
Oh yeah he could have done th- Oh wait you had to kill atleast some monsters in the Neutral Route which means he couldnt absorb the entire race.
You are agreeing with me-? Flowey couldn't absorb frisk in the pacifist and the neutral route because Frisk has resistance to it.
Can you show me the text where Asriel says he doesn't want to absorb frisk and only wants to play with them? Thanks.
Which they do- A lot of the game actually gives you hints on where the attacks are gonna come from. Its way better than pulling a game theory
This vagueness is literally why 2-B was so contested for so much time. The issue with Undertale is that unlike other RPGs it doesn't give any description to the attacks, they're just there visually.
Here.
No, they do not predict where Danmaku patterns come from outside from LOADing. Again, you're pulling the interpretation with the most overpowered power possible from a thing which has 0 in-verse explanation.
Hm I will wait for further opinions
What? Frisk literally sees marks where the attacks would come from before they are even visible to them. We don't know if Frisk ever used LOAD or not (Only expections are sans and asgore but it doesnt matter as these marks are everywhere in the game)
How? Seeing marks that show what attack is gonna happen isn't precognition? Come on now.
Idfk either.
You literally tagged the video in the middle of it.
Literally not. For you to do Pacifista, you have to do Neutral without killing anyone, so yes, Flowey could absorb all the monsters.
Headcanon. We were told that they can absorb the souls of humans after killing them. We were never suggested otherwise.
No, I'm telling you that in Neutral where you don't kill anyone, which is the route you have to go through to do the pacifist, Flowey doesn't absorb all the underground.
The neutral route can take several paths, but for you to do the pacifist route, you are obligated not to literally kill anyone in the neutral route.
If you gain any EXP, kill any monsters, you have to restart the game and do a Neutral Route without killing anyone. You are required to go through this, so yes, this is how the neutral route works.
And? Are monsters human by any chance? Just because information about monsters was contradicted, it doesn't mean the same with humans, especially when they are literally two different races, and it was never contradicted.
The Flowey who has this ability. It wasn't "Asriel" who absorbed the monsters and human souls, it was Flowey. A monster without any kind of divine power.
It's not you who kills Asgore, it's Flowey if you don't kill anyone, which you are obliged to do if you want to play the pacifist
Literally not true, you could still do the neutral run without killing anyone.
Frisk still does not kill them lmfao.
So why you talking about Frisk before then?
Just say asgore for the begining then.
And it's literally not my only point.
It was a rethorical question, because I do know.
Can you show scan?He literally uses it in the pacifist route. He absorbs the entire underground and snowdin people say it was like a light wave. Go ask flowey why he did that alright? God-
Oh ok, so the flowey in neutral don't make any sense then.
I can agree with a possibly, since is kinda ambigous.
Kinda feels like a bit of flowery wording in this specific instance. Mind you, determination having an aura isn't that unbelievable, but this evidence in particular doesn't convince me.
Or maybe Frisk just...made Asriel feel again? Because he had just got his emotions back and was probably overwhelmed by their kindness?
This is fine.
That seems to be a quirk of that particular monster rather than any inherent ability Frisk possesses.
Bruh you literally just blow on the monster to cool it down and use a thermostat to heighten the temperature to make it hotter. Do I get Heat Manip now for rubbing my hands together for warmth?
Honestly this one just reads weird. I'm not strictly against it, just neutral.
Is fine, I suppose.
This reads very egregiously as game mechanics.
Fine.
Hard disagree. Having several weapons does not even begin to equate to having mastery of those weapons, or even a single weapon. Frisk's ability is never once commented on by anyone.
Again, BREATHING isn't a superpower.
Similarly weird case, technically not incorrect, but I'm staying neutral on it.
Eeeeeeh, I don't think this is particularly strong evidence, but I'm not super intent on dying on this hill.
- Enhanced Senses: Is shown to have an acute sense of taste and smell. Can hear a music box from almost trash zone despite rainy air and great distance. Can sense cosmos as shown with Napstablook. Can sense a door opening from the surface
"The serene sound of a distant music box... It fills you with determination."
Observing that the world is ending doesn't require any special abilities in this case, as Asriel is literally ripping the timeline to pieces. Also, are you seriously trying to use a gag scene for a rating?
- Cosmic Awareness: In the fight with Asriel. "The whole world is ending. [Neutral]
This is fine.
If you mean the different actions they can with different monsters, that's not even CLOSE to being reactive evo. Disagree.
Latter example is rather weak me feels. First one seems fine though, however I have to ask, why dura neg?
I know this game likes to break the fourth wall a lot, but this is very reaching. Like, extremely reaching, and I can't agree with it.
- Self-Sustainence (Type 1): Can keep fighting while the timeline they are in is destroyed
- Likely Data Manipulation and Text Manipulation: Some of the items seems to be named by Frisk.
I don't understand what the image here is supposed to prove.
Fine.
Fine.
Remove "higher after sleeping", it makes no sense.
These are fine.
While I wouldn't put it past Sand Underbale to hop from timeline to timeline, it seems rather strange to me that he'd have said ability and wouldn't simply choose to place himself in a timeline which, say, the Genocide Route didn't occur in (if the player pulls that stuff). If he can actively DO something about the timeline hopping, like hop them himself, it kind of takes away from the despair he feels in said run. Also a lot of the evidence here is fairly weak, with the exception of the puzzle.Sans
- Possibly Dimensional Travel: There's quite a lot of evidence that suggests Sans has not only awareness of timelines, but in all likelihood has traversed them outright. I would suggest a "Possibly Dimensional Travel", simply because the methods he uses are unknown.
To begin with, numerous times we are told or shown how Sans is a scientific genius who can consistently and casually defy physics as nothing more than a joke, apparently doing so often enough that Papyrus even talks about being pranked across space and time as a common occurrence.
Sans bedroom door is exactly identical to the teleporting doors located in the dark world. Toby is not so lazy that he would reuse a sprite with that level of significance just to avoid making a new sprite, it was clearly intentional.
Sans is known to have some form of relation to Gaster, confirmed by the attack name Gaster Blaster, but there's a whole lot more that could be unpacked there and it would take up too large of a portion of the CRT.
When you call Papyrus in their house, he says this about Sans' room.
The Riverperson warns us to beware a man who came from another world.
Sans has a picture of 3 people with the words "Don't forget" written on it. There's been a lot of debate on this mystery over the years, but one undeniable thing is that the two words "Don't forget" have a heavy importance in Deltarune...they even have an entire OST titled just that. And Sans is quite literally the ONLY character in both games to have the exact same sprite between games, though it would be in line with his character as the laidback lazy funny guy.
According to the official comic Grillby's Rogue's Gallery, the first time Sans walked into Grillbys he asked for "the usual", and he immediately managed to get along with everyone there. This is giving more context to the information we have about Sans and Papyrus from the Shopkeeper who says that they showed up out of nowhere and asserted themselves.
And most pressing of all the evidence I've seen thus far;
(Thanks RinneItachi for helping me with the sans part)
Being capable of doing that is a form of emphatic manipulation though?
I will copy-paste my answer above:
Because Frisk doesn't glare at Madjick nir at any other enemy. They don't use many of their other abilities as well. And why would "Stare" reduce an enemy's stats when it only works on magical items?
Let me see you instantly cool down something hundreds of degrees by blowing on it. And about thermostat thing:
You don't need to be master to have "weapons mastery." It is just having greater skill than avarage. Another copy paste;
You could only say that about red marks but that's about it. The context still fits precognition.
Except in this case "the world" is referring to the game itself which has 2-B cosmology. The timeline already got destroyed earlier in the battle and this narration comes later on.
The shown abilities are way too conveninent for given situations. And these abilities aren't shown anywhere else when they could have been helpful even if it was to a lesser degree.
Even if we discounted the possiblity that Mysteryman is Gaster, he is still shown to be somewhat incorporeal and Frisk can still interact with him if they choose so.
I am pretty you don't refer to "Self-Sustainence" here so I will skip it.
The Player is actively controlling the main character's body. "Legends of Localization" states that there are three such entities, presumably the player, Chara and Frisk themselves. And yet, there are multiple instances of Frisk refusing an order, intensifying as you get closer to True Pacifist Ending. Then Frisk breaks completely free at the end.
It regenerates Frisk's HP above maximum. How does that make no sense?
I mean the orbs being weakened by frisks glare is enough to show that is a weakness of the orbs more than anything, frisk is capable of learning new things about an enemy in a relatively quick fashion and is capable of defeating enemies through this so like im not sure about the 'they wouldn't know' thing either. For the second thing, so your saying that frisk needs to specifically glare at an enemy to reduce their stats? I mean from what we have we cant really assume such a thing I feel, frisk literally only does this with the orbs, so saying that because they can do this with the orbs instantly means they can suddenly reduce statistics with a stare is a stretch I feel. Why would we assume the stare works on magical items in general? we literally only see it used on the orbs, this is also quite a stretch i'd think.
You still hasn't answered me about the fact that it's been stated that monsters can only absorb humans' souls by killing them, which has never been contradicted.He literally uses it in the pacifist route. He absorbs the entire underground and snowdin people say it was like a light wave. Go ask flowey why he did that alright? God-
Soul absorption is NOT fine. Asriel never wanted to absorb Frisk in the first place.
