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Yes. But it can't be his heart-shaped coreMettaton does have a soul though.
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Yes. But it can't be his heart-shaped coreMettaton does have a soul though.
Yes, plus according to the third lab entry, a monster SOUL shouldn’t last outside of their body and are “attuned to their SOUL.”Your only reason is its not upside down?
It's said in the waterfall glyphs.Headcanon at its finest. This kind of thing is never stated.
Mettatons soul is not out side his body though? Thats my point, I dont think this is enough.Yes, plus according to the third lab entry, a monster SOUL shouldn’t last outside of their body and are “attuned to their SOUL.”
Link? Because this is never saidIt's said in the waterfall glyphs.
Alphys didn't? Plus nothing indicates the core is even Mettaton's SOUL except for the fact that it's heart-shaped, which would only work if Mettaton was a human lolAlphys did it so there must be a way so I dont think this is enough.
Mettaton isn't your conventional monster as he is made of both magic and metal. He is literally artificial. We don't really have statement saying he is a monster either.Yes, plus according to the third lab entry, a monster SOUL shouldn’t last outside of their body and are “attuned to their SOUL.”
Mettaton literally says let's have heart to heartPlus nothing indicates the core is even Mettaton's SOUL except for the fact that it's heart-shaped
Here.Link? Because this is never said
And I still couldn't find the statement you talk about. It only says that "Monster needs to defeat a human" which we already got over multiple times
Exactly, so Asriel just can't absorb Frisk's SOUL on the get go because the hax requries first to kill them.And I still couldn't find the statement you talk about. It only says that "Monster needs to defeat a human" which we already got over multiple times
Mettaton is basically confirmed to be a Ghost monster that possesed the body Alphys created for him, so Mettaton's SOUL isn't one of a kind.Mettaton isn't your conventional monster as he is made of both magic and metal.
And? It's a heart-shaped core meant to look like a human SOUL. Don't see how this proves that it's his SOUL.Mettaton literally says let's have heart to heart
It flies around the arena and tries to electrocute Frisk. And since Mettaton fused with his body, that would count as his SOUL not being inside his bodyMettatons soul is not out side his body though? Thats my point, I dont think this is enough.
Flowey is not a monster so noExactly, so Asriel just can't absorb Frisk's SOUL on the get go because the hax requries first to kill them.
Idk tbh. So mettaton rips his own soul out?Mettaton is basically confirmed to be a Ghost monster that possesed the body Alphys created for him, so Mettaton's SOUL isn't one of a kind.
And? It's a heart-shaped core meant to look like a human SOUL. Don't see how this proves that it's his SOUL.
It flies around the arena and tries to electrocute Frisk. And since Mettaton fused with his body, that would count as his SOUL not being inside his body
The method is the same.Flowey is not a monster so no
My point was that the core isn't his SOUL, and is just his batteryIdk tbh. So mettaton rips his own soul out?
I repeat. We already went over this. Then you said "can't absorb souls as powerful as the user". I wanted a source for that which I have yet to get.Exactly, so Asriel just can't absorb Frisk's SOUL on the get go because the hax requries first to kill them.
With this logic he wouldn't get the boost a monster would from the SOUL, which is false. Boost is the same, so method is the same too.Flowey is not a monster so that arguement is just not related
I know what Mettaton is. Catty and Bratty already foreshadow his nature. Btw if this was a counter to "We don't really have statement saying he is a monster either." they younare right.Mettaton is basically confirmed to be a Ghost monster that possesed the body Alphys created for him, so Mettaton's SOUL isn't one of a kind.
Still the Check calling it a (probably tangible) core and the "Monster SOULs can't persist outside their bodies" thing still makes it dubiousBut I never said Mettaton's SOUL is one of kind. Mettaton himself is one of kind due to being artificial (The closest thing is Mad Dummy who is still not the same). And we already have Frisk's soul reversed through artificial means (Yellow Mode). At the very least, this means having someone's soul upside down isn't something impossible.
You can’t even deal normal damage to mettatons base form so.Still the Check calling it a (probably tangible) core and the "Monster SOULs can't persist outside their bodies" thing still makes it dubious
Plus, I don't see how this would be explained if Yellow Mode lets you target the SOUL
Targetting the SOUL would kinda ignore Mettaton's durability, especially since we already know it can harm his SOUL according to thisYou can’t even deal normal damage to mettatons base form so.
Or you know average, i can still be trained and bê average.I don't think I really need to give an example given how "trained" automatically defaults to "above average".
Not really impressive, since Younger Undyne should't be above average in skill, since she is Younger, so basically asgore is just avoiding a childAnd if you want an example of skill, then there is also Asgore who could casually dodge every attack from younger Undyne
I trought that years of experience in this site don't count as evidence to skill, since we would need actual festa from that.and has thousands of years of experience under his belt.
That's just looks like she is comparing they personality, not fighting skill.Even Undyne herself compares these two to each other just right before telling her story:
"You are both total weenies... sort off. [Launches the whole story about her not hitting Asgore]"
While that's true, they don't show everything that's is actually happening, we also don't have any statements that proves the Monsters ARE trying to dodges our attacks, so kinda of a moot point.The whole encounter system is a little more than an interface for the player. What is going on isn't limited to what we see. Undyne lifts boulders, Frisk struggles to break free from Muffet's web, there is a whole audiance watching Shyren and we don't see any of that.
Could still be lack of effort, but okay.Following that logic, Frisk almost never missing monsters is more of them succeeding to hit each time rather than game mechanics or any lack of effort on the opponent's part.
No. Since when they resisted an attempt of absorption?Actually since we consider Monsters to be the baseline when it comes to SOULs, humans needing to be defeated to be absorbed would probably count as Resistance
Wasn't your argument that Flowey couldn't absorb Frisk due to needing to defeat them?No. Since when they resisted an attempt of absorption?
Because of a weakness of the hax, yes.Wasn't your argument that Flowey couldn't absorb Frisk due to needing to defeat them?
Which wouldn't be a weakness if we consider Monster SOULs as the baseline, which we currently doBecause of a weakness of the hax, yes.
...why would't it be a weakness? Both humans and monsters need to kill the other first to absorb.Which wouldn't be a weakness if we consider Monster SOULs as the baseline, which we currently do
Flowey absorbed the monsters without killing them? But humans need to be defeated first? Wasn't that your argument or did I misunderstand?...why would't it be a weakness? Both humans and monsters need to kill the other first to absorb.
He massively overpowered them all first lol. Like he had the power of 6 SOULs at the time.Flowey absorbed the monsters without killing them?