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The scans are in the draft pageI'm lagging behind on the thread, so sorry if I missed anything.
Just reading the explanation I think it works. Probably needs scan justifications though.
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The scans are in the draft pageI'm lagging behind on the thread, so sorry if I missed anything.
Just reading the explanation I think it works. Probably needs scan justifications though.
@Elizio33 How, exactly, will the different realms in the Crisis Cosmology be tiered?
For 2-C, how many universes for each? For Tier 1, what dimensionality for each?The Orrery and Bleed would be 2-C. Hypertime would be 2-A. The Sphere of the Gods, Monitor Sphere, Fifth Dimension and Sixth Dimension would be Low 1-C. The Unseen Council would be 1-C. The Light of Creation and Great Darkness would be 1-C.
For 2-C, how many universes for each? For Tier 1, what dimensionality for each?
I believe the Source does as well. In John Stewart The Emerald Knight, it's stated that the Source in like an ocean while the universes and multiverses are like rivers flowing from it. The branching streams of those rivers are hypertime. With that in mind, I would suggest taking a look at Green Lantern runs, post Death Metal, first before finishing. I don't mean this in a rude way. It's mostly because the Source has a lot of info in those runs.In the 2021 finale of Death Metal, the multiverse was restored by the Hands and Earth-0 along with the other universes from the local multiverse were brought back with not only new universes emerging, but also a network of infinite multiverses, becoming its own sort of Omniverse within the Greater Omniverse. Earth-Omega and Elseworld are the two new centers of the new configuration of the multiverse and as Hypertime healed, people had flashes of a myriad of alternative futures and pasts. The Dark Multiverse is still beneath reality.
In Flashpoint Beyond, we've learned that the Omniverse was the Space aspect of the Divine Continuum which integrate the multiverse, the Sphere of the Gods, the Dark Multiverse, the Metaverse, while Hypertime was the Time aspect which integrate Limbo and the Vanishing Point.
This configuration of reality is solid 2-A, but no one has been shown to scale to it, except the Great Darkness.
I did but it was a long time ago but I think it's just a way of saying that Source encompasses all universes and multiverses, being all born from its energies and shaped by the Hands.I believe the Source does as well. In John Stewart The Emerald Knight, it's stated that the Source in like an ocean while the universes and multiverses are like rivers flowing from it. The branching streams of those rivers are hypertime. With that in mind, I would suggest taking a look at Green Lantern runs, post Death Metal, first before finishing. I don't mean this in a rude way. It's mostly because the Source has a lot of info in those runs.
Possibly. The comic however did release in 2022 after Dark Crisis and Flashpoint Beyond. It's pretty recent. That's all I wanted to mention though. In case there was more information needed.I did but it was a long time ago but I think it's just a way of saying that Source encompasses all universes and multiverses, being all born from its energies and shaped by the Hands.
@Antvasima @Deagonx @VeryGoofyToddler what do you think about this?I believe the Source does as well. In John Stewart The Emerald Knight, it's stated that the Source in like an ocean while the universes and multiverses are like rivers flowing from it. The branching streams of those rivers are hypertime. With that in mind, I would suggest taking a look at Green Lantern runs, post Death Metal, first before finishing. I don't mean this in a rude way. It's mostly because the Source has a lot of info in those runs.
He summed it up perfectly but what is this supposed to entail? The Source scales beyond everything and that specific author has stated before he said even the Darkness was born of the Source.
I read the Green Lantern story and it says that the Source emerged in the Darkness. Other than that, yes, the Source scales above everything and everyone in the cosmology, except the Great Darkness.He summed it up perfectly but what is this supposed to entail? The Source scales beyond everything and that specific author has stated before he said even the Darkness was born of the Source.
I don't believe the Darkness is near the Presence in power much less the Source. So Source scales to anything that the Darkness scales to.
It wasn't created in the Dark. It's from the Dark that it manifested. For how the Darkness as a state of existence isn't created but the Darkness as a being was only defined after it was contrasted by the Light. They just gave God a face thus the gods dreamed of their depiction of a higher force as did the humans to gods. What they comprehended was the Source and it manifested from the Dark, was not created.I read the Green Lantern story and it says that the Source emerged in the Darkness. Other than that, yes, the Source scales above everything and everyone in the cosmology, except the Great Darkness.
They're not 4D. Even if they were that applies specifically to either avatars or just the resident when entering lower dimension. Since there still is space-time within individual universes.Regardless, the Crisis Cosmology page does not contain the Elemental Realms, the Lord of Order and Chaos, and the Ascended Beings. Can one of you help me? And what do you think of the Godsphere inhabitants existing in 4-D? Should we add the information regarding the Source and Hypertime presented in the Green Lantern story? @VeryGoofyToddler you are welcome to help if you wish.
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Maybe the true forms/state of the inhabitants of the Sphere of the Gods are 4-D, but not their avatars within the universes.They're not 4D. Even if they were that applies specifically to either avatars or just the resident when entering lower dimension. Since there still is space-time within individual universes.
All of these weren't even mentioned or implied in Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion, and Joshua Williamson's vision of the DCU. Perhaps DeMatteis sees the Divine Presence as the entity that even defined the pre-creation void, aka Pralaya, and other writers like Mike Carey, Neil Gaiman, and Allen Moore seem to have the same view as DeMatteis, but this does not seem to be the case in modern stories of the four writers mentioned above.It wasn't created in the Dark. It's from the Dark that it manifested. For how the Darkness as a state of existence isn't created but the Darkness as a being was only defined after it was contrasted by the Light. They just gave God a face thus the gods dreamed of their depiction of a higher force as did the humans to gods. What they comprehended was the Source and it manifested from the Dark, was not created.
Besides older =/= more powerful. Each one didn't make the other. Like God from Matteis Cosmology didn't create the Sea of Brahma since his extension of everything split into nothing that expanded ad infinituim and thus became the sea of nothing before the Love Sea. Not created but an aspect thus part of it. That's what I depict Throne idea was Dark/Darkness is part of it, the unmanifest version of the Source.
No, their individual forms within the lower worlds are 4D. While their higher form varies, we don't know the true limit to their dimensionality.Maybe the true forms/state of the inhabitants of the Sphere of the Gods are 4-D, but not their avatars within the universes.
It does. The Green Lantern scans do not imply it was created. It simply came from the Dark and the author of that same story mentions this. Even if we don't use his logic, it never said it was created in it.All of these weren't even mentioned or implied in Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion, and Joshua Williamson's vision of the DCU. Perhaps DeMatteis sees the Divine Presence as the entity that even defined the pre-creation void, aka Pralaya, and other writers like Mike Carey and Allen Moore seem to have the same view as DeMatteis, but this does not seem to be the case in modern stories of the four writers mentioned above.
I didn't say it was created in the Darkness, I said it emerged in the Darkness.It does. The Green Lantern scans do not imply it was created. It simply came from the Dark and the author of that same story mentions this. Even if we don't use his logic, it never said it was created in it.
Okay, so should the tier for their higher forms vary from Low 2-C to Low 1-C?No, their individual forms within the lower worlds are 4D. While their higher form varies, we don't know the true limit to their dimensionality.
The context here within your draft implies it due to “it” predating the Presence thus predating the Source.I didn't say it was created in the Darkness, I said it emerged in the Darkness.
No, unless we're upgrading the Sphere to Low 1-C. Since no gods scale to the entirety of the Sphere.Okay, so should the tier for their higher forms vary from Low 2-C to Low 1-C?
Green was mentioned quite a lot during Justice League Dark and Witching Hour.Hello, I'll need help for the Elemental Realms section for the Crisis Cosmology draft page. Can anyone help me by providing information on Morrison's or James Tynion IV's stories involving the Green, Red and Black, please?
Well, in JL Dark, the Green said to be not a just place or a realm, nor it is merely imagination. It lies between idea and reality, where memory and consciousness of roots, stems, leaves and flowers exist outside of time and space. Throughout the story, the pillars, like the Green, have been shown to touch all realms, including the Other Place.Green was mentioned quite a lot during Justice League Dark and Witching Hour.
The War of Magic has gotten a lot of attention from the Parliament. So there are small nuances, if you want I'll help with scans.Well, in JL Dark, the Green said to be not a just place or a realm, nor it is merely imagination. It lies between idea and reality, where memory and consciousness of roots, stems, leaves and flowers exist outside of time and space. Throughout the story, the pillars, like the Green, have been shown to touch all realms, including the Other Place.
This is the only information I have.
Yes if you don't mindThe War of Magic has gotten a lot of attention from the Parliament. So there are small nuances, if you want I'll help with scans.
You do have to realize that Tynion IV stopped writing the issues pretty early on and Ram V carried it with other collaborators. So would you count those?Yes if you don't mind
I think so.You do have to realize that Tynion IV stopped writing the issues pretty early on and Ram V carried it with other collaborators. So would you count those?
The only thing we've seen is it's a realm that connects all parts mentioned in #23. It transformed by the will of Swamp Thing the entire Otherplace into the Green. That's all we get because it was replaced by the Parliaments of Flowers as the new “Green” with the Tree Parliaments being pretty much obselete.I think so.
So what I posted earlier about the Green is the only relevant information about the Elemental Realms?The only thing we've seen is it's a realm that connects all parts mentioned in #23. It transformed by the will of Swamp Thing the entire Otherplace into the Green. That's all we get because it was replaced by the Parliaments of Flowers as the new “Green” with the Tree Parliaments being pretty much obselete.