Galeem

[Promestein]

Lots of bullshit here.

• "Spatial Manipulation (Warped space, creating what appears to be a black hole)"

Portal Creation. Does not show any Black Hole properties.

• Pseudo-Soul Manipulation (Caused multiple beings to lose their bodies and become spirits, although this aren't real souls. They are hundreds of spirits separated from their bodies and Galeem can manipulate them)

Removing a soul from the body is Soul Manipulation.

• Morality Manipulation (Forced the spirits to take control of the bodies he made to do his bidding while they still keep most of the fighting style of the original owners of the bodies. Controlled dozens of Master Hands)

Ever heard of Mind Manipulation...?

Dharkon has the same issues.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Seems fine to revise? Don't know the verse much, tho.

 

[Jinsye]

>lots of bullshit

>literally only one of them is negative

Seems fine though

 

[Numbersguy]

Yeah, that should be fixed accordingly.

 

[Uselessnoob245]

Sorry. I followed Bullshit.

 

[Promestein]

I expected there'd be more and then did not bother to change it.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Was there a reason to just abbreviate it to "BS" ? It sounds quite a deal less disrespectful to their opinions of what they placed on the characters.

The revision are fine though.

 

[Eficiente]

• It's not a portal all, by definition. It doesn't send anything to other places, it's just warped space. The profile doesn't claim it's a Black Hole, it says that it "appears to be" one.
  • Only additionally, Dharkon, his counterpart, has legit Spatial Manipulation.
• This is not just "removing a soul from the body", as pointed out by Saikou there are individual "Spirits" for groups of beings and ghosts. It's not literal soul manip, but very similar.
• The last one just doesn't make sense. Morality manip is a form is mind manip, but there is a difference here. If you mind control someone, you have total control of his actions, if you morality hax someone, that person has the control of his actions while doing them for you. Unless there is direct evidence of the former it's much more safer to say it's the latter, especially with game characters who always have the same moves, coming from their own personal styles.

 

[Eficiente]

Btw.

 

[Promestein]

• The portal is used for attacks. It is more than spatial manipulation. Dharkon's feat is also Portal Creation, even if it appears that way.
• Then it's not Soul Manipulation.
• Many pages have Mind Manipulation for that exact justification. Morality Manipulation is for directly altering someone's morality, or morality on a broader scale. It's Mind Manipulation, and there is no evidence of the latter, either; just because a character is using their same moves and style doesn't mean anything. That applies to pretty much every Mind Manipulator ever.

 

[Eficiente]

• Then how it's a portal? It would be a doorway/gate/entrance to what? Dharkon's profile says what he did is Portal Creation, but while doing that he literally shattered space as if it were glass, on a large scale.
• Fundamentally, it is. It's the sentient internal energy inside one's body.
• That is exactly what he did, he make them his servants, loyal to him; he altered their morality. You are wrong about using the same moves and style don't meaning anything, that makes it much more likely to say that the one doing the moves is the owner of the body and not someone else, who would, logically, do its own moves/follow a pattern/not care about the safety of the body to a ridiculous degree/do something new the owner of the body isn't able to do/etc.

 

[Promestein]

• And appeared through it.
• I don't think that's necessarily Soul Manipulation, but whatever.
• It doesn't mean anything. Pretty much every user of Mind Manipulation can do that. The Morality Manipulation page even acknowledges that there is overlap and that its effects are generally achieved through Mind Manipulation. It is Mind Manipulation.

 

[Eficiente]

• Dharkon appeared through it, Galeem just consumed energy, turned into the "black hole", and shot his rays. If anything, Galeem could even be the "black hole", but the warped space is still there.
• Well, is there any other take on what power would it be?
• Why not both?

 

[Promestein]

• Fine with that.
• I dunno, Life Manipulation?
• Because Morality Manipulation as a subset of Mind Manipulation is entirely redundant, a nearly pointless distinction.

 

[Eficiente]

• Ok
• Well, it's heavily implied that the spirits were the result of Galeem killing everyone. Even in his (Jap) name.
• Hmm, ok?

 

[QuasiYuri]

Since it's a revision thread: Galeem/Dharkon description should make mention of them being superior to Tabuu too, since Tabuu is one of the spirit in World of Light.

 

[Eficiente]

Well, story wise there is no reason for Tabuu to be alive. He's there merely for being a memorable character of the verse instead of because Galeem killed him too.

In any case, mention him or not wouldn't change anything due to Galeem and Dharko's feats being superior and unrelated to him.

 

[The_Smashor]

They both one shotted Master Hand or characters that scale to him. Also Tabuu has an "At least" while Galeem and Dharkon don't.

 

[Eficiente]

I was forced to put Galeem at that level, wait until my MH & Tabuu downgrades are done.

 

[The_Smashor]

Master Hand is stated to be the source of creation in the Smash Bros universe. Sounds good to me.

 

[Eficiente]

Don't continue, Smashor. That's not what he was stated to be, he had something super vague. Even then source of creation isn't remotely enough to make you Low 2-C.

 

[The_Smashor]

From Master Hand's Smash 4 description: "The mysterious Master Hand is the source of creation in the Smash Bros. universe."

Yes. Very vague. Honetly, I had to look at it for hours to realize it. /s


Also, being the source of creation in a universe implies you created it unless a different source of creation predates you. No such being is known to exist in smash.

 

[Promestein]

Keep it for another thread.

 

[Numbersguy]

Don't continue, Smashor. That's not what he was stated to be, he had something super vague. Even then source of creation isn't remotely enough to make you Low 2-C.

Super Smash Bros N64 Opening

 

[Eficiente]

Now you don't continue. That has nothing to do with this thread.