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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

ByAsura said:
Given that Chaos obliterated Cath, this is reasonable.
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Could Arthur's Physicals scale to his previous Tiers?

Something like this,

| Incomplete Chaos |

AP: At least X Level (Should be as strong as his Post Training self if not stronger), Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Could easily slice apart True Form Cath Palug who could shrug off Merlin's attacks. Arthur absorbed the accumulated magic power in Lake Salisbury to release the seal on Chaos.), Z Level with Reality Warping (Insert what it says in his profile).

SS: At least X Level, Y Level with the Power of Chaos.

Dura: At least X Level, Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Could block True Form Cath Palug's attacks).

|Chaos King|

AP: Unknown, at least Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Should be stronger than before due to possessing the full power of Chaos and having more control over it after years of being its host), Z Level with Reality Warping

SS: Unknown, at least Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Should be stronger than before).

Dura: Unknown, at least Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Should be more durable than before)
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Could Arthur's Physicals scale to his previous Tiers?

Something like this,

| Incomplete Chaos |

AP: At least X Level (Should be as strong as his Post Training self if not stronger), Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Could easily slice apart True Form Cath Palug who could shrug off Merlin's attacks. Arthur absorbed the accumulated magic power in Lake Salisbury to release the seal on Chaos.), Z Level with Reality Warping (Insert what it says in his profile).

SS: At least X Level, Y Level with the Power of Chaos.

Dura: At least X Level, Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Could block True Form Cath Palug's attacks).

|Chaos King|

AP: Unknown, at least Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Should be stronger than before due to possessing the full power of Chaos and having more control over it after years of being its host), Z Level with Reality Warping

SS: Unknown, at least Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Should be stronger than before).

Dura: Unknown, at least Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Should be more durable than before)
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Well this only scales to barriers for durability of course
ByAsura said:
Yes, it's given a higher rating.

Not even that much, honestly. Considering my previous rates of progress, this is going surprisingly fast.
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hmm
 
personally i get ya asura about king shield but zeldris DK upscaling isnt a bad idea tbh, hes at his prime so it would make sense he can do this, iirc he also removed the shield as DK meliodas
 
Zezu1995 said:
personally i get ya asura about king shield but zeldris DK upscaling isnt a bad idea tbh, hes at his prime so it would make sense he can do this, iirc he also removed the shield as DK meliodas
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When king ran out of magic you mean hasn’t DK Meliodas?
 
I'm so unbelievably tired rn don't think I can complete the 4kota sandboxes + been working on calcs for another verse that no staff wants to evaluate


Why
 
Zezu1995 said:
personally i get ya asura about king shield but zeldris DK upscaling isnt a bad idea tbh, hes at his prime so it would make sense he can do this, iirc he also removed the shield as DK meliodas
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You're not getting it. It's upscaling Zeldris DK from himself by thousands of times, since UTO Escanor was part of the combo.

He ran out of magic.
OneBleachHurricane said:
Could Arthur's Physicals scale to his previous Tiers?

Something like this,

| Incomplete Chaos |

AP: At least X Level (Should be as strong as his Post Training self if not stronger), Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Could easily slice apart True Form Cath Palug who could shrug off Merlin's attacks. Arthur absorbed the accumulated magic power in Lake Salisbury to release the seal on Chaos.), Z Level with Reality Warping (Insert what it says in his profile).

SS: At least X Level, Y Level with the Power of Chaos.

Dura: At least X Level, Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Could block True Form Cath Palug's attacks).

|Chaos King|

AP: Unknown, at least Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Should be stronger than before due to possessing the full power of Chaos and having more control over it after years of being its host), Z Level with Reality Warping

SS: Unknown, at least Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Should be stronger than before).

Dura: Unknown, at least Y Level with the Power of Chaos (Should be more durable than before)
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We're removing incomplete Chaos. It doesn't even exist.

Anyway, your suggestion is fine, I suppose.
 
Not only did Arthur have the full power of Chaos previously, but he retained vast majority of it after Cath took his arm.

It's not like they were remotely on par. He quite casually kills and absorbs Cath.
 
ByAsura said:
Not only did Arthur have the full power of Chaos previously, but he retained vast majority of it after Cath took his arm.

It's not like they were remotely on par. He quite casually kills and absorbs Cath.
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Then what about Arthur's Post Training Key and his With Excalibur Key?

Shouldn't they be the same with his Chaos Key? The P&A tabbers would be kept separate but the Keys would be merged.
AP/SS/Dura: X Level (Insert Post Training Feats), Y Level with Excalibur (Insert Feats when wielding Excalibur)
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Speed: X Speed (Insert Post Training Speed Feats), Y Speed with Excalibur (Insert Speed Feats when wielding Excalibur)
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Lifting Strength: X Class, likely higher with Excalibur
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BoS | Post-Training | Excalibur | Chaos is best, imo.

Excalibur is clearly a physical amp, and we don't know how Chaos affects his physical abilities.
 
ByAsura said:
When wielding.
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Then his Post Training Key and With Excalibur Key could just be merged since there are no differences between the Arthur from back then and the Arthur at that time, the only thing different is he's wielding Excalibur.

Just treat it the same way as Meliodas with Lostvayne
ByAsura said:
Then it should be a separate key.
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Hence my proposition of scaling Chaos Arthur's own Physicals to his Post Training Key

X Level, Y Level with the Power of Chaos

Or maybe we can stack the Excalibur Amp to his Physicals without the Power of Chaos since he could have possibly absorbed Excalibur along with the Lake's magic, and now it just exists as a manifestation of his power.
 
Sure, whatever. That can be an amp.

I'd say it should just be a different key since he's not really the same at all.
 
ByAsura said:
I don't know about Excalibur,
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My thoughts on why Arthur could have absorbed, it because when Merlin was reviving Arthur, we see it channeling the magic power of Lake Salisbury into Arthur, with the sword either being covered with the lake's magic power or turning into magic power along with the lake's magic power. Then it disappears after Arthur's revived, then later on, when the Sins & Arthur are trapped in Cath's dimension, Arthur is capable of summoning it out of nowhere with Meliodas, Merlin, and the Lady of the Lake sensing it beforehand. Along with it changing its appearance twice to reflect the Power of Chaos within Arthur.
 
ByAsura said:
Assuming we use every multiplier that can possibly be applied to speed.

Meliodas = Mach 4415.5353339 (Massively Hypersonic+)

Demon Mel = Mach 8831.0706678 (Sub-Relativistic)

Unsealed Mel = > Mach 8831.0706678 (Sub-Relativistic)

Unsealed Demon 2nd Mark Mel = Mach 35324.2826712 (Sub-Relativistic+)

Vessel Tarmiel/Sariel = Mach 70648.5653424 (Relativistic)

Post-Revival Demon Mark/True Sariel and Tariel = Mach 141297.130685 (Relativistic)

Post-Revival Assault Mode/Ludoshel without Flash = Mach 282594.26137 (Relativistic)

Original Demon/True Ludoshel without Flash = Mach 565188.522739 (Relativistic+)

Light-speed starts at Mach 874030. Keep in mind, we don't upscale speed like we do AP. So don't ask.

I asked for an eval.
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How’s life? Any progress? First week down
 
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