First Baby, THEN Infinite Zamasu.

[TheGodOfICE777]

Doesn't look like there is anything for special attacks at all ¯\(ツ)/¯

What was the point of bringing that up then?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

with the stronger namek dragon balls

Black Star Shenron is currently rated as 3-B, Porunga is like 5-B

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What was the point of bringing that up then?

Brief mention.

4: Super Baby
Super Baby is the final transformed state of Vegeta-Baby!! It has 2 types: Strongest Form 1, where Vegeta’s characteristics still remain, and Strongest Form 2, which resembles Super Saiyan 3. His final technique is the Revenge Death Ball, a mass of evil ki which might be called an evil Genki-Dama!!

Figured I'd bring it up. I'd probably be called a cherry-picker if I didn't bring it up. Or an opponent of the verse. Admittedly, though, I kind of am.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

We really should keep this stuff for the Baby rework thread tho

 

[Omegabronic]

Black Star Shenron is currently rated as 3-B, Porunga is like 5-B

Out porunga page us for cannon, there is no page for toei porunga, plus ap=/=how good a hax is

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Oh yeah, Shenron revived 17 when he died with Cell and was going to revive Goku, so that Shenron can't heal bodies thing definitely got retconned
Edit: He also revived everyone that got vaped by Majin Vegeta's blast, so yeah

 

[pineappleman]

Out porunga page us for cannon, there is no page for toei porunga, plus ap=/=how good a hax is

The DB Dragons' wish granting ability is stated to be directly proportionate to their creator's power.

 

[Omegabronic]

The DB Dragons' wish granting ability is stated to be directly proportionate to their creator's power.

So?

 

[pineappleman]

So?

the DB creator's AP = the Dragon's hax

 

[Omegabronic]

the DB creator's AP = the Dragon's hax

So?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

"Hahaha... Goku, I'm going to rip you apart molecule by molecule, atom by atom and send you back to the dust of the universe so you can never come back! Take that! The grudge of the Tuffles! Revenge Death Ball!"
ハハハ…｡ とどめだ｡ 悟空｡ お前を分子…いや 原子の一個一個までばらばらにして宇宙の ちりに戻してやる｡ もう二度と復活できないようにな｡ 食らえ！ ツフル人の恨み｡ リベンジ･デスボール！

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Guess Baby wasn't listening to Goku's "next world" thing, and as result wouldn't get Soul destruction, truly tragic

 

[pineappleman]

I can't reply to that post for some reason, but can you link me where you got the transcript from Null?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I can't reply to that post for some reason, but can you link me where you got the transcript from Null?

Japanese subtitles - kitsunekko.net

 

[DivineAura44]

Regardless of the matter manipulation shenanigans, the res negation should be added. His explanation of how the attack would stop him from going to the afterlife is supported by what literally happens.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What happened exactly?

 

[DivineAura44]

Him (Goku) not being sent to the afterlife.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

That might be because he was never hit by the attack.

 

[DivineAura44]

That might be because he was never hit by the attack.

Did I see the scene wrong? It looked like he was hit directly by it.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Kibito Kai rescued Goku.

 

[DivineAura44]

Kibito Kai rescued Goku.

Gotta rewatch then, don't remember that scene when I watched the show.

 

[Reiner04]

Uh, Baby Vegeta has atomic-level Matter Manipulation because his Revenge Death Ball can scatter individual atoms.
To quote...


This type of boast—"I will reduce you to atoms!"—has never been accepted as Matter Manipulation. The entire quote should be disregarded completely, because, again, this is merely an aggrandized boast from Baby. Vegeta threatened to reduce Earth into "space dust", Piccolo bragged about "vaporizing" Goku, the Daizenshuu 7 claimed that Future Trunks reduced Frieza to atoms, yatta yatta, none of this is valid. Matter Manipulation should be removed, never reinstated on any profile without any non-aggrandizing or completely unsubstantiated evidence, and Goku should lose his Resistance, too.

I agree.

 

[pineappleman]

Did I see the scene wrong? It looked like he was hit directly by it.

Kibito Kai turns up last second to Kai-Kai Goku out of the blast, but the Revenge Death Ball ends up affecting them mid-instantaneous teleportation either way
Infinite speed baby? :')

 

[Golden_Void]

Also, funnily enough, claiming to reduce him to atoms and turn him into space dust is contradictory considering atoms are smaller than space dust lol

 

[DivineAura44]

Also, funnily enough, claiming to reduce him to atoms and turn him into space dust is contradictory considering atoms are smaller than space dust lol

Space dust is just a term used to refer to nothing.

 

[Omegabronic]

Space dust is just a term used to refer to nothing.

Space dust is a real thing

 

[DivineAura44]

Space dust is a real thing

Doesn't address my point. I'm saying that specific part could be figurative language. It's very common for someone to say something literal before saying something in a figurative sense.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Okay, so everything but the last part of his declaration is literal.

 

[DivineAura44]

Okay, so everything but the last part of his declaration is literal.

Quite literally just explained my thinking on that. If I say "I'll study as long as I possibly can for this test. 1 hour for the first section, on the second, 2 on the last, spreading my time for the best possible allocation I can think of, I'll be able to do this test in my sleep when I'm done", you can clearly see that despite the first part being literal and very detailed (just like Baby's remark) the whole thing isn't. It's not like this never happens or is very uncommon, sentences being structured like this happen all the time.

 

[Omegabronic]

Quite literally just explained my thinking on that. If I say "I'll study as long as I possibly can for this test. 1 hour for the first section, on the second, 2 on the last, spreading my time for the best possible allocation I can think of, I'll be able to do this test in my sleep when I'm done", you can clearly see that despite the first part being literal and very detailed (just like Baby's remark) the whole thing isn't. It's not like this never happens or is very uncommon, sentences being structured like this happen all the time.

you would need more evidence to prove that baby's speech was structured like that

 

[DivineAura44]

you would need more evidence to prove that baby's speech was structured like that

Golden Void made the claim. He claimed they are contradictory. I brought a possibility in which they is not necessarily contradictory. Burden is on him and everyone who is agreeing with his claim.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

While baby didn't seem like a boast but more of an explanation (especially as his attack was likened to a negative genki dama, which obliterated all the atoms of buu).

It's clear he had no knowledge on how travel to afterlife works, completely eradicating the body won't stop them from going there

 

[Omegabronic]

Golden Void made the claim. He claimed they are contradictory. I brought a possibility in which they is not necessarily contradictory. Burden is on him and everyone who is agreeing with his claim.

what you said is only a specific possibility, the burden is on the one proposing said possibility

 

[DivineAura44]

what you said is only a specific possibility, the burden is on the one proposing said possibility

I don't have to prove a possibility, it's a possibility. I'm not saying this is what happened, I'm saying since it is a possibility you cannot rule it out. Therefore the burden is once again on anyone claiming this possibility cannot be true.

 

[Braking]

Uh, Baby Vegeta has atomic-level Matter Manipulation because his Revenge Death Ball can scatter individual atoms.
To quote...


This type of boast—"I will reduce you to atoms!"—has never been accepted as Matter Manipulation. The entire quote should be disregarded completely, because, again, this is merely an aggrandized boast from Baby. Vegeta threatened to reduce Earth into "space dust", Piccolo bragged about "vaporizing" Goku, the Daizenshuu 7 claimed that Future Trunks reduced Frieza to atoms, yatta yatta, none of this is valid. Matter Manipulation should be removed, never reinstated on any profile without any non-aggrandizing or completely unsubstantiated evidence, and Goku should lose his Resistance, too.

wym inf zammy?

 

[Omegabronic]

I don't have to prove a possibility, it's a possibility. I'm not saying this is what happened, I'm saying since it is a possibility you cannot rule it out. Therefore the burden is once again on anyone claiming this possibility cannot be true.

no one said that it cannot be true, it is just a not very likely one

 

[DivineAura44]

no one said that it cannot be true, it is just a not very likely one

Not a defeater.

 

[Omegabronic]

Not a defeater.

defeater?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

A winning argument.

 

[Omegabronic]

bump