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Dragon Ball GT Hax Addition (mostly).

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Syn Shenron
Corruption type 2 & Catastrophe, Overwhelming aura

Syn aura can lay waste to the entire universe passively decaying anything in its vicinity. Alongside creating natural disasters by being on earth.





Baby
Hive Mind type 2 & Biological Manipulation

Anybody possessed by baby lose all sense of individuality and become a mere aspect of his being. Like all the Z warrior who followed the will of baby.

Baby even stated that he was changing Vegeta’s biology to a Truflian, his ultimate plan was to do this to the entire universe in an attempt to revive his species.





GT Goku
Resistance to Corruption type 2

Can resist Syn’s minus energy from the negative karma ball while weakened and drained of energy.



Astrial Projection & Possibly Multi-location

Can be seen interacting with multiple characters at once after his death at the hands of Omega Shenron.



Can be seen at the end of GT after he died and his soul has departed, in the mortal realm by characters such as Pan. And even interacts with Goku Jr


https://youtu.be/1CgwpecWlWc?si=QZl3UiKRuuN4IzB


Self Destruction

Goku was going to use his life force in an attempt to blow himself and Omega Shenron up.

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Ki Manipulation

Overwhelming and Materializing aura

Ki Aura can cause the air to feel like it’s scorching hot. To a point it can fry machines and cause storms of energy so potent people can’t get close. It can also break through different space-times.

Ki can make a variety of weapon

https://imgur.com/a/BqvzJCt

https://imgur.com/a/tCaLZk5


Agree: LuffyRuffy46307,CryoTheMayo, GodSinBad2280, Kroneii1, Gamin_Yoon23

LephyrTheRevanchist, DarkDragonMedeus,Elizhaa​

SamanPatou(Disagrees with resistance to minus energy and it’s wording)​


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I'm not sure if corruption realy fits, the ability is indeed there, but maybe something like Chaos, Death Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement or even Reality Warping (or any combination of them) would be more appropriate?

I'm not sure Baby qualifies as a Hive Mind. His spawn are subservient to him and share a telepathic bond, but from what I see here and remember myself it was never been proven that they exist as a unified mind.

I don't think Goku should have resistance to Corruption, as I believe the minus energy ball wasn't supposed to have any corruptive effect on him. If the reason is simply because it was made of corruptive energy, then everyone was already standing in a world coated by such energy without any ill effect. And as said earlier, the minus energy has more of a destructive/decaying effect rather than conventionally corruptive (at least according to our definition).

I don't see multilocation here neither astral projection. Goku explicitly asks Shenron to stop by the Kame House and Hell, so he is physically there when talking to Krillin, Muten and Piccolo. Goku might also be actually appearing in person to Old Pan and Goku jr., as we are never told what he becomes after leaving with Shenron.

Self-destruction is fine (Goten's dub is horrible btw)

We already give Heat Manipulation to Jiren and UI Goku, and it seems to be an exclusive property of their ki, so I'd be wary to extend such ability to any ki user without proof. I think we aleady consider ki as able to break through time and space, and once again it is limited to the amount of power one generates, like the threshold of Super Buu and Gotenks SSJ3 rending space and time.

Weapon materialization is also something we already give to characters able to shape ki in such way, so I see nothing new in this.
 
ChoursDropoff said:
Anybody possessed by baby lose all sense of individuality and become a mere aspect of his being. Like all the Z warrior who followed the will of baby.
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ChoursDropoff said:
Baby even stated that he was changing Vegeta’s biology to a Truflian, his ultimate plan was to do this to the entire universe in
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It’s even stated in Chozenshuu 3



ChoursDropoff said:
Goku was going to use his life force in an attempt to blow himself and Omega Shenron up.
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Yeah, exactly…




ChoursDropoff said:
GT Goku
Resistance to Corruption type 2

Can resist Syn’s minus energy from the negative karma ball while weakened and drained of energy.
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ChoursDropoff said:
Corruption type 2 & Catastrophe, Overwhelming aura

Syn aura can lay waste to the entire universe passively decaying anything in its vicinity. Alongsid
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I easily agree with the thread.
 
SamanPatou said:
I'm not sure if corruption realy fits, the ability is indeed there, but maybe something like Chaos, Death Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement or even Reality Warping (or any combination of them) would be more appropriate?
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I can see Chaos Manipulation and reality warping via aura. Because it’s an aspect of catastrophic aura. But I still think corruption is warranted because he’s quite literally decaying the universe with is aura so it’s corruption and a side effect of chaos manip. Unless we come to the conclusion it’s a form of death manipulation instead.

But either or works
SamanPatou said:
I'm not sure Baby qualifies as a Hive Mind. His spawn are subservient to him and share a telepathic bond, but from what I see here and remember myself it was never been proven that they exist as a unified mind.
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I think you’re thinking of type 1 hive mind we have a specific type for baby’s version in type 2. They can still have some sense of individuality but fundamentally they’re a part of Baby he confirms this when he says they’re becoming an aspect of his will.
SamanPatou said:
I don't think Goku should have resistance to Corruption, as I believe the minus energy ball wasn't supposed to have any corruptive effect on him. If the reason is simply because it was made of corruptive energy, then everyone was already standing in a world coated by such energy without any ill effect. And as said earlier, the minus energy has more of a destructive/decaying effect rather than conventionally corruptive (at least according to our definition).
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All of Omega Shenrons energy is made up of minus energy especially the minus energy ball. Omega even states he was targeting the earth no the people on it and Trunks confirms this as well.
SamanPatou said:
I don't see multilocation here neither astral projection. Goku explicitly asks Shenron to stop by the Kame House and Hell, so he is physically there when talking to Krillin, Muten and Piccolo. Goku might also be actually appearing in person to Old Pan and Goku jr., as we are never told what he becomes after leaving with Shenron.
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Multilocation might need a compromise but it’s definitely Astrail projection. The show and writers confirm Goku died there and Pan even funds his remains lying about where she say him.

www.kanzenshuu.com

Translations | Dragon Ball GT Dragon Book: GT Back Then (Kōzō Morishita Interview)

English translation of the Kōzō Morishita 'GT Back Then' interview from the 2006 Dragon Ball GT Dragon Box DVD release in Japan
www.kanzenshuu.com www.kanzenshuu.com
SamanPatou said:
Self-destruction is fine (Goten's dub is horrible btw)
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GT Dub is bad in general
SamanPatou said:
We already give Heat Manipulation to Jiren and UI Goku, and it seems to be an exclusive property of their ki, so I'd be wary to extend such ability to any ki user without proof. I think we aleady consider ki as able to break through time and space, and once again it is limited to the amount of power one generates, like the threshold of Super Buu and Gotenks SSJ3 rending space and time.
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Overwhelming aura chases a variety of effects on the enemy via Aura alone. Which DB characters have been shown capable of so I think it’s warranted for Ki manipulation and at worse it’s warranted for Goku and Jiren at least.
SamanPatou said:
Weapon materialization is also something we already give to characters able to shape ki in such way, so I see nothing new in this.
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It should still be indexed properly then.
 
The only things I'm really iffy about are Multilocation/Astral Projection, and Hive Mind Type 2. Maybe I just missed it, but ChoursDropoff if wouldn't my quoting where it says Goku died there, and Pan finds his remains it would be appreciated.

Also, are there any showings that they share knowledge through this hive mind, without specifically being told by Baby?
 
ChoursDropoff said:
I can see Chaos Manipulation and reality warping via aura. Because it’s an aspect of catastrophic aura. But I still think corruption is warranted because he’s quite literally decaying the universe with is aura so it’s corruption and a side effect of chaos manip. Unless we come to the conclusion it’s a form of death manipulation instead.
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I believe that the definitions of corruption used in GT and in our power page just don't match.

ChoursDropoff said:
I think you’re thinking of type 1 hive mind we have a specific type for baby’s version in type 2. They can still have some sense of individuality but fundamentally they’re a part of Baby he confirms this when he says they’re becoming an aspect of his will.
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Alright.

ChoursDropoff said:
All of Omega Shenrons energy is made up of minus energy especially the minus energy ball. Omega even states he was targeting the earth no the people on it and Trunks confirms this as well.
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Yes, but the ball wasn't supposed to have any particular effect on Goku other than killing him. The minus energy's effect is already vague, so it's not clear what kind of corruptive effect would have had on Goku, especially because it's not stated.

ChoursDropoff said:
Multilocation might need a compromise but it’s definitely Astrail projection. The show and writers confirm Goku died there and Pan even funds his remains lying about where she say him.
www.kanzenshuu.com

Translations | Dragon Ball GT Dragon Book: GT Back Then (Kōzō Morishita Interview)

English translation of the Kōzō Morishita 'GT Back Then' interview from the 2006 Dragon Ball GT Dragon Box DVD release in Japan
www.kanzenshuu.com www.kanzenshuu.com
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If we are to consider Goku a spirit, then it isn't proper Astral Projection, it's just him manifesting in his actual form. We can call it teleportation, dimensional travel etc.., but it would still be Goku's soul appearing in person.

ChoursDropoff said:
Overwhelming aura chases a variety of effects on the enemy via Aura alone. Which DB characters have been shown capable of so I think it’s warranted for Ki manipulation and at worse it’s warranted for Goku and Jiren at least.
It should still be indexed properly then.
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I just remembered we have a general DB Ki page, so I guess we can put those applications in there, with the proper explanations and limits.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
The only things I'm really iffy about are Multilocation/Astral Projection, and Hive Mind Type 2. Maybe I just missed it, but ChoursDropoff if wouldn't my quoting where it says Goku died there, and Pan finds his remains it would be appreciated.

Also, are there any showings that they share knowledge through this hive mind, without specifically being told by Baby?
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Here it’s stated he died and pan find the Gi he just left in.

And Goten knew where to find Gohan and Vegeta and the fact he needed to fight Vegeta 2 seconds after being taken over

There’s also other things like baby communicating with people on earth from a completely remote part of the planet.
 
SamanPatou said:
I believe that the definitions of corruption used in GT and in our power page just don't match.
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Corruption can possibly be done through the aforementioned methods, along with things such as Disease Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Absorption, and more, but it can also be done in such a way that there's no other way to classify it other than corruption. Despite the negative connotation of the word "corruption", it's possible for this power to be used to make someone a better individual, though this is an incredibly rare application.

If so Death Manipulation can also work well via the example given.
 
Why would that be Astral Projection and not Incorporeality/Intangibility for spirit Goku?

​

 
RoninSlayer200 said:
asking for clarification, if corruption is a no for you then do you agree with Chaos Manipulation or Reality Warping or both?
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LephyrTheRevanchist said:
It seemed simple enough for me. But if that's the case, I don't mind listing it as another thing.
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ChoursDropoff said:
I would also like a clarification on this before any abilities get added.
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I disagree with corruption because to our standards it refers to altering the nature of a being, a place etc.. through some method, to keep it short.
By dictionary standards, corruption can also be used to ruin something, put it in disgrace etc..
I believe Syn's abilities fall more in the second definition, as his powers will cause generally decay to anything physical, either through cataclysm or just corrosion, then "the universe will die out" in unspecified ways. He isn't really altering the universe and turning it into something else.

Personally, I'd go with Chaos Manipulation (for the natural disasters), Corrosion Inducement (from the line "The Earth will disintegrate, assuming it's accurate) and Possibly Reality Warping for whatever intangible damage he could be dealing to the universe.
 
SamanPatou said:
I disagree with corruption because to our standards it refers to altering the nature of a being, a place etc.. through some method, to keep it short.
By dictionary standards, corruption can also be used to ruin something, put it in disgrace etc..
I believe Syn's abilities fall more in the second definition, as his powers will cause generally decay to anything physical, either through cataclysm or just corrosion, then "the universe will die out" in unspecified ways. He isn't really altering the universe and turning it into something else.

Personally, I'd go with Chaos Manipulation (for the natural disasters), Corrosion Inducement (from the line "The Earth will disintegrate, assuming it's accurate) and Possibly Reality Warping for whatever intangible damage he could be dealing to the universe.
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The thing is that the story does make a distinction between corroding the universe and corrupting it. As it’s stated he can “spoil” the galaxy.
 
I believe the context refers to annihilating all the celestial bodies in the galaxy, leaving it empty and thus "spoiled". I think there is also room for corroding and corrupting being used as synonyms for different scenes, after all we are still talking about translations and localizations.
My doubts hinge mostly on whatever effect the ball was supposed to have on Goku aside from blasting him to smitherens through sheer power, as the effects of Syn's aura already have questionable or at most vague effects on living beings.
 
SamanPatou said:
I believe the context refers to annihilating all the celestial bodies in the galaxy, leaving it empty and thus "spoiled". I think there is also room for corroding and corrupting being used as synonyms for different scenes, after all we are still talking about translations and localizations.
My doubts hinge mostly on whatever effect the ball was supposed to have on Goku aside from blasting him to smitherens through sheer power, as the effects of Syn's aura already have questionable or at most vague effects on living beings.
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The thing is that old Kai states that the dragon balls energy must be “decontaminated” and that it will pollute the earth and universe. This was the context of what was being stated. This is the same energy as minus energy that’s must be “decontaminated” and Gogeta even has to go out his way to purify it before kicking it back into space.

At worse this would be a form of deconstruction for the minus energy and reality and chaos manipulation for the aura.
 
Yes, then I'd say we can consider minus energy as chaos + corrosion + reality warping.
I disagree anyway with resistance for Goku, as he still needed to repell it, and if minus energy is supposed to not have affect on humans altogether, then the feat is moot to begin with.
 
Hypertornado099 said:
Why is Syn Shenron's power corruption? Its just a form of decay. And why is it type 2?
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It’s decaying and being ruined even space times.
SamanPatou said:
Yes, then I'd say we can consider minus energy as chaos + corrosion + reality warping.
I disagree anyway with resistance for Goku, as he still needed to repell it, and if minus energy is supposed to not have affect on humans altogether, then the feat is moot to begin with.
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Though i think the ability doesn’t quite work or he way the ability is described I think even “deconstruction” works better I guess it’s fine. But Syn literally said he’s targeting the earth not the humans.
 
Between the minus energy not being stated or shown to have any effect on humans and Goku not actively resisting anything other than the force of the ball, we can't randomly assume he is resisting anything.
What would he even be resisting? Corrosion/deconstruction not proven to work on people? Chaos or RW?
 
SamanPatou said:
Between the minus energy not being stated or shown to have any effect on humans and Goku not actively resisting anything other than the force of the ball, we can't randomly assume he is resisting anything.
What would he even be resisting? Corrosion/deconstruction not proven to work on people? Chaos or RW?
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The first 2 the RW and Choas are a aura side effect and to be fair Syn energy is pretty blatant the whole idea of it not working on living things feels arbitrary it’s like saying if I erase a house from existence I gotta prove I can erase a human from existence, it makes no sense if he didn’t resist it.

But if the other staff are okay I’ll add the changes and ask for a thread closure.
 
ChoursDropoff said:
The first 2 the RW and Choas are a aura side effect and to be fair Syn energy is pretty blatant the whole idea of it not working on living things feels arbitrary it’s like saying if I erase a house from existence I gotta prove I can erase a human from existence, it makes no sense if he didn’t resist it.
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well...it does sound strange.
 
SamanPatou said:
Between the minus energy not being stated or shown to have any effect on humans and Goku not actively resisting anything other than the force of the ball, we can't randomly assume he is resisting anything.
What would he even be resisting? Corrosion/deconstruction not proven to work on people? Chaos or RW?
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When is it stated or shown not to have an effect on humans? If it’s not an issue could you send some scans of this?

Also, if you resist specific hax like corrosion/deconstruction where you touch it, it deconstructs you. Then, not getting affected is a feat for a resistance. Like if you survive someone’s EE, then the fact that you didn’t get erased means you resisted it.
 
To address a bunch of comments above, we've established up here several times even by other users that Syn hasn't theoretically targeted the inhabitants of Earth with his minus energy, as none of its effects have never been explained to effect them (while we have fairly extensive details on celestial bodies and environment) and everyone can stand just fine in the middle of the aura that covers the planet, so either everyone has resistance to it or no one does.

That minus energy ball also isn't stated to have any effect on Goku just because it's concentrated and because of the reasons above we can't just assume it would have deconstructed, corroded, whatever him out of stretchy assumptions. Lastly we have no visual nor narrative indication that he resisted or was affected by anything other than pure force.
 
SamanPatou said:
That minus energy ball also isn't stated to have any effect on Goku just because it's concentrated and because of the reasons above we can't just assume it would have deconstructed, corroded, whatever him out of stretchy assumptions. Lastly we have no visual nor narrative indication that he resisted or was affected by anything other than pure force.
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If it did not have any effect, then it is resistance. Also, his body was deconstructed upon dying to the minus energy ball with the only things left: remnants of his clothes. Hence, the minus energy ball does at least have deconstruction.
 
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