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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

How is everyone?

Also I read chapter 154!
and I am happy to see that Erik/Cobra and Kinana are fiancees. Finally the two are happy together.

Also pretty sweet on how Erik is adapting to his new life, and his hilarious interactions with the Fairy Tail Guild.

Damn Erik is scared of Warren XD!
 
I don’t think I’ll ever understand why so many thread moderators and staff of any kind try to be so passive aggressive or like generally shady in their posts whenever it’s towards something they don’t agree, it’s really childish.

Side note, anyone else hyped up for the 100 year quest anime releasing near July
 
Alsotime said:
I don’t think I’ll ever understand why so many thread moderators and staff of any kind try to be so passive aggressive or like generally shady in their posts whenever it’s towards something they don’t agree, it’s really childish.
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Shady? Bruh I just made a crude joke 😂

I just do think it’s funny how all of a sudden, a bunch of people been acting like Zeref can beat the Dragon Gods, when he can’t even beat Natsu…
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
a bunch of people been acting like Zeref can beat the Dragon Gods, when he can’t even beat Natsu…
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I mean. Natsu nullified all of Zeref’s magic power which kicked him out of his fairy heart form and prevented him from regenerating, and to do that Natsu burned his own soul for a boost of power.

The only Dragon God that could really do the same is Ignia, you can’t claim Selene or Merc could beat it out of him because his entire body was literally destroyed and that wasn’t a problem, Natsu, the man with anti hax fire magic making it so Zeref just can’t use his powers isn’t some point against him being able to beat different characters without that power. Between that and enchantment from weaker characters being able to work on Selene, Zeref would just have to be doing absolutely nothing for the match to be a toss up, and has more win conditions then she does.

Once again that’s just how I felt, and it’s all I had to say on that so I’m not gonna comment on it anymore
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Shady? Bruh I just made a crude joke 😂
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If you don’t like the word shady you can just take it as passive aggressive which I also stated not that it really matters your two posts just reminded me of why I generally avoid making fairy tail related posts or crt because you guys just generally suck the fun out of it, not even with your disagreeing which is fine, it’s always the way you guys go about it, and I just find it a bit childish.
 
Alsotime said:
If you don’t like the word shady you can just take it as passive aggressive which I also stated not that it really matters your two posts just reminded me of why I generally avoid making fairy tail related posts or crt because you guys just generally suck the fun out of it, not even with your disagreeing which is fine, it’s always the way you guys go about it, and I just find it a bit childish.
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Please don't invite problems like this in the general discussion thread of the verse your criticizing, your just gonna make more problems than it solves and comments like this are pretty unnecessary
 
Delta3000 said:
Wow the heartfillia family is really into incest lol
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I don’t think the implication was that they were related, just that the he looked like her past lover, as like a joke, there are other characters that look like him the verse that aren’t related to him as well so it’s only that way if you want it to be in all honesty.

Also Jude isn’t related to Layla, he took her last name because she’s from a family that actually mattered, he was just some merchant.
 
Alsotime said:
I don’t think the implication was that they were related, just that the he looked like her past lover, as like a joke, there are other characters that look like him the verse that aren’t related to him as well so it’s only that way if you want it to be in all honesty.

Also Jude isn’t related to Layla, he took her last name because she’s from a family that actually mattered, he was just some merchant.
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I was joking, you didn't have to try and debunk the heartfillia incest hypothesis.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
I just do think it’s funny how all of a sudden, a bunch of people been acting like Zeref can beat the Dragon Gods, when he can’t even beat Natsu…
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Yes Zeref can defeat the dragon gods.

Even base status is enough for most dragon gods

As for the reason why he lost to Natsu, Zeref didn't just want to win because he didn't want to kill his brother and end this world he lived in with Mavis. Zeref told Natsu more than once that he had to die and that he wanted to die.

If Zeref really wanted to win he would have walked through the neo eclipse door without even looking back and this would have been fairy tail's mashima and the dragon gods you exaggerate are nothing but victims of Zeref.
 
Zeinx1 said:
Yes Zeref can defeat the dragon gods.

Even base status is enough for most dragon gods

As for the reason why he lost to Natsu, Zeref didn't just want to win because he didn't want to kill his brother and end this world he lived in with Mavis. Zeref told Natsu more than once that he had to die and that he wanted to die.

If Zeref really wanted to win he would have walked through the neo eclipse door without even looking back and this would have been fairy tail's mashima and the dragon gods you exaggerate are nothing but victims of Zeref.
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Except Zeref did want to kill Natsu after he acquired Fairy Heart… He punched a hole through his heart and said “I hope you meet Makarov in heaven”

Dude was full on bloodlusted at that point. He put all his power into his attack and lost to Natsu… And to claim Dragon Gods are Zeref victims is hilarious when Zeref’s scaling comes from the Dragon Gods… I’m not necessarily saying they could kill him, but if even Natsu can negate Fairy Heart and incapacitate Zeref, then I absolutely believe the Dragon Gods can… As for Base Zeref, dude was shittin his pants because Pre-SBT Acnologia was so strong, he’d never win against him normally…

The sheer faith you have in Zeref when we know raw power from Dragon Slayer Magic can nullify hax is just baffling to me…
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Except Zeref did want to kill Natsu after he acquired Fairy Heart… He punched a hole through his heart and said “I hope you meet Makarov in heaven”

Dude was full on bloodlusted at that point. He put all his power into his attack and lost to Natsu… And to claim Dragon Gods are Zeref victims is hilarious when Zeref’s scaling comes from the Dragon Gods… I’m not necessarily saying they could kill him, but if even Natsu can negate Fairy Heart and incapacitate Zeref, then I absolutely believe the Dragon Gods can… As for Base Zeref, dude was shittin his pants because Pre-SBT Acnologia was so strong, he’d never win against him normally…

The sheer faith you have in Zeref when we know raw power from Dragon Slayer Magic can nullify hax is just baffling to me…
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After Zeref took the fairy heart, yes, he wanted to "supposedly" kill Natsu for a moment. We both know that Zeref has full control over time. He may have predicted Natsu's return and made such a move. This is not a bloodthirsty situation.

If Zeref was really bloodthirsty, he would have entered neo eclipse as soon as he killed Natsu, without even looking back (Zeref looked back and entered the war with Natsu again) and if he had entered neo eclipse, ez gg wp

You contradict yourself about spending all your power in a single attack. Zeref is a character with an infinite source of magic power. If you think that he releases all the infinite magic power in his infinite magic power source, why don't you treat Zeref as h3a? Don't contradict yourself. Additionally, even 0.1% of infinity is infinity.

Yes, Zeref can defeat most of the god dragons with his base form, because we have seen how even Anksheram in Zeref's base form can defeat Aldoron? aldoron > merc

So just from this we can get base zeref > aldoron > merc

Additionally, regarding Selene, she is not a strong enough character to resist the death predation in Base Zeref's Anksheram.
Even if you say things like base Zeref > Selene from here and the range difference, I think Fairy Heart Zeref has a universal range of time spells and can beat Selene.

Ignia is completely featless so I don't even need to comment.

I also disagree with the issue of acnologia before Base Zeref SBT. You are talking about Powernull, but Powernull is something that can be passed with high AP and you almost said above that Zeref is H3A lol. Most of the dragon gods are sacrificing against Zeref, you don't need to exaggerate the power system just because it progressed rapidly, more or less they are still sacrificing Zeref.

Encouraging and neutralizing Zeref is something only Natsu can do. Zeref really loves Natsu, he is his precious brother and he fell into the Anksheram curse for him. You underestimate Zeref too much. He is the best character drawn by Hiro Mashima and the strongest.
 
Zeinx1 said:
He is the best character drawn by Hiro Mashima and the strongest.
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That’s not true… like he’s definitely a god tier and I’d say he is able to beat most of the dragon gods but he’s still weaker than Acnologia it’s simply a matter of compatibility
 
Zeinx1 said:
After Zeref took the fairy heart, yes, he wanted to "supposedly" kill Natsu for a moment. We both know that Zeref has full control over time. He may have predicted Natsu's return and made such a move. This is not a bloodthirsty situation.
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bruh. Zeref literally pierced his heart and then intended to pass through the guild gate. Zeref's control over time does not mean that he will be aware of things that will happen in the future, even the "control" issue here is a statement made entirely in reference to his resurrection.
Zeinx1 said:
If Zeref was really bloodthirsty, he would have entered neo eclipse as soon as he killed Natsu, without even looking back (Zeref looked back and entered the war with Natsu again) and if he had entered neo eclipse, ez gg wp
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He did everything I said but failed. Before and after the resurrection, Natsu crushed him absolutely. He could match Natsu before his resurrection, but Natsu after was definitely superior.
Zeinx1 said:
You contradict yourself about spending all your power in a single attack. Zeref is a character with an infinite source of magic power. If you think that he releases all the infinite magic power in his infinite magic power source, why don't you treat Zeref as h3a? Don't contradict yourself. Additionally, even 0.1% of infinity is infinity.
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What does this have to do with..? Zeref's "infinite magic power" is nothing but an infinite pool of energy
Zeinx1 said:
Yes, Zeref can defeat most of the god dragons with his base form, because we have seen how even Anksheram in Zeref's base form can defeat Aldoron? aldoron > merc
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This happened because Anksheram was Aldaron's counter. Still superior to Zeref in terms of stats (Aldaron and others)
Zeinx1 said:
So just from this we can get base zeref > aldoron > merc

Additionally, regarding Selene, she is not a strong enough character to resist the death predation in Base Zeref's Anksheram.
Even if you say things like base Zeref > Selene from here and the range difference, I think Fairy Heart Zeref has a universal range of time spells and can beat Selene.
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This is more about speed, but I don't think Base Zeref can keep up with Selene. Anksheram is not passive, it depends on Zeref's speed, so this power is not very effective (unless we do speed equalization)
Zeinx1 said:
Ignia is completely featless so I don't even need to comment.
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There's a lot to learn about Ignia, but she's way above Selene, and probably Natsun too. Honestly, I think EoS Ignia will be top 3 in the series
Zeinx1 said:
I also disagree with the issue of acnologia before Base Zeref SBT. You are talking about Powernull, but Powernull is something that can be passed with high AP and you almost said above that Zeref is H3A lol. Most of the dragon gods are sacrificing against Zeref, you don't need to exaggerate the power system just because it progressed rapidly, more or less they are still sacrificing Zeref.
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this is unclear, it is unclear whether Zeref surpasses FH after obtaining it
Zeinx1 said:
Encouraging and neutralizing Zeref is something only Natsu can do. Zeref really loves Natsu, he is his precious brother and he fell into the Anksheram curse for him. You underestimate Zeref too much. He is the best character drawn by Hiro Mashima and the strongest.
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Natsu >> Zeref. In a 1 on 1 battle, Natsu has always crushed Zeref. Natsu vs Base Zeref, Natsu vs Zeref before Resurrection, Natsu vs Zeref after Resurrection... Natsu has an incredible advantage in each of them. Of course, since Zeref's almost only chance in battle is his immortality. (Anksheram also has it, but Natsu did not work on it) Natsu could never defeat him. Even though it is superior
 
Zeinx1 said:
After Zeref took the fairy heart, yes, he wanted to "supposedly" kill Natsu for a moment. We both know that Zeref has full control over time. He may have predicted Natsu's return and made such a move. This is not a bloodthirsty situation.

If Zeref was really bloodthirsty, he would have entered neo eclipse as soon as he killed Natsu, without even looking back (Zeref looked back and entered the war with Natsu again) and if he had entered neo eclipse, ez gg wp

You contradict yourself about spending all your power in a single attack. Zeref is a character with an infinite source of magic power. If you think that he releases all the infinite magic power in his infinite magic power source, why don't you treat Zeref as h3a? Don't contradict yourself. Additionally, even 0.1% of infinity is infinity.

Yes, Zeref can defeat most of the god dragons with his base form, because we have seen how even Anksheram in Zeref's base form can defeat Aldoron? aldoron > merc

So just from this we can get base zeref > aldoron > merc

Additionally, regarding Selene, she is not a strong enough character to resist the death predation in Base Zeref's Anksheram.
Even if you say things like base Zeref > Selene from here and the range difference, I think Fairy Heart Zeref has a universal range of time spells and can beat Selene.

Ignia is completely featless so I don't even need to comment.

I also disagree with the issue of acnologia before Base Zeref SBT. You are talking about Powernull, but Powernull is something that can be passed with high AP and you almost said above that Zeref is H3A lol. Most of the dragon gods are sacrificing against Zeref, you don't need to exaggerate the power system just because it progressed rapidly, more or less they are still sacrificing Zeref.

Encouraging and neutralizing Zeref is something only Natsu can do. Zeref really loves Natsu, he is his precious brother and he fell into the Anksheram curse for him. You underestimate Zeref too much. He is the best character drawn by Hiro Mashima and the strongest.
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You are just debunking what the Writer himself said and what Wiki accepts
 
Zeinx1 said:
After Zeref took the fairy heart, yes, he wanted to "supposedly" kill Natsu for a moment. We both know that Zeref has full control over time. He may have predicted Natsu's return and made such a move. This is not a bloodthirsty situation.

If Zeref was really bloodthirsty, he would have entered neo eclipse as soon as he killed Natsu, without even looking back (Zeref looked back and entered the war with Natsu again) and if he had entered neo eclipse, ez gg wp
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Except he wanted to kill Natsu before he did Neo Eclipse, this is verbatim in character… He said he wanted to settle things with Natsu first
Zeinx1 said:
You contradict yourself about spending all your power in a single attack. Zeref is a character with an infinite source of magic power. If you think that he releases all the infinite magic power in his infinite magic power source, why don't you treat Zeref as h3a? Don't contradict yourself. Additionally, even 0.1% of infinity is infinity.
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Zeref went all out… He had an entire speech leading up to Dark Blast Inferno about all his anger and darkness being used. And he doesn’t have infinite AP, just because he never run out of Magic Power doesn’t mean he’s outputting infinity at once…
Zeinx1 said:
Yes, Zeref can defeat most of the god dragons with his base form, because we have seen how even Anksheram in Zeref's base form can defeat Aldoron? aldoron > merc
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If anything, that’s because Ankhseram Black Magic directly counters Nature, which is what Aldoron is, and even then, it only took part of him. Just because Base Zeref can hurt a part of Aldoron doesn’t mean he can beat all Dragon Gods… Especially when Base Zeref himself said he is incapable of beating Pre-SBT Acnologia no matter what he does.
Zeinx1 said:
So just from this we can get base zeref > aldoron > merc
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No, just blatantly wrong on so many levels. First of all, all the 5 Dragon Gods are stated to all be equals, so the fact you say Aldoron>Mercphobia is ridiculous
Zeinx1 said:
Additionally, regarding Selene, she is not a strong enough character to resist the death predation in Base Zeref's Anksheram.
Even if you say things like base Zeref > Selene from here and the range difference, I think Fairy Heart Zeref has a universal range of time spells and can beat Selene.
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Not even an argument about anything
Zeinx1 said:
Ignia is completely featless so I don't even need to comment.

I also disagree with the issue of acnologia before Base Zeref SBT. You are talking about Powernull, but Powernull is something that can be passed with high AP and you almost said above that Zeref is H3A lol. Most of the dragon gods are sacrificing against Zeref, you don't need to exaggerate the power system just because it progressed rapidly, more or less they are still sacrificing Zeref.
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Except the Dragon Gods are equal to an Acnologia that is flat out stated to have more power than Zeref
Zeinx1 said:
Encouraging and neutralizing Zeref is something only Natsu can do. Zeref really loves Natsu, he is his precious brother and he fell into the Anksheram curse for him. You underestimate Zeref too much. He is the best character drawn by Hiro Mashima and the strongest.
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Except Zeref went all out and did lose to Natsu… He was very much trying to kill Natsu at that point and Natsu’s raw power overwhelmed Fairy Heart and destroyed it completely, leaving Zeref crippled on the ground…
 
Spectra_Schiffer said:
bruh. Zeref literally pierced his heart and then intended to pass through the guild gate. Zeref's control over time does not mean that he will be aware of things that will happen in the future, even the "control" issue here is a statement made entirely in reference to his resurrection.
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Zeref's priority was to die, he himself stated this in many places. The simplest example is that when he was neutralized by Natsu, he thought he was going to die and smiled,But when you remember that you are immortal, you say, "That's right, I can never die." Even from here you can understand that he is interested in dying. If his aim was to win, he would have walked through that door. And what does the resurrection have to do with controlling time? Zeref himself said that after obtaining the Fairy Heart, he completely controlled space and time and transcended time,And when Natsu made his first attack on Zeref, he turned back time.



Spectra_Schiffer said:
He did everything I said but failed. Before and after the resurrection, Natsu crushed him absolutely. He could match Natsu before his resurrection, but Natsu after was definitely superior.
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A simple plot armor Zeref was not bloodthirsty in that war, we understand this from the fact that he thought he was dead and was happy and did not go through the door.

Spectra_Schiffer said:
What does this have to do with..? Zeref's "infinite magic power" is nothing but an infinite pool of energy
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"infinite magical power" What do you understand from here? Mavis also has additional statements on this subject.


Spectra_Schiffer said:
This is more about speed, but I don't think Base Zeref can keep up with Selene. Anksheram is not passive, it depends on Zeref's speed, so this power is not very effective (unless we do speed equalization)
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Anksheram is uncontrollable as long as there is an emotional explosion. If Zeref experiences this, Selene has no chance. Zeref is superior in other abilities, to put it simply, immortality type 8.



Spectra_Schiffer said:
There's a lot to learn about Ignia, but she's way above Selene, and probably Natsun too. Honestly, I think EoS Ignia will be top 3 in the series
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Your thoughts don't mean anything, we don't have any information about it yet.
Spectra_Schiffer said:
this is unclear, it is unclear whether Zeref surpasses FH after obtaining it
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It's said about 2 or 3 times in this series

Spectra_Schiffer said:
Natsu >> Zeref. In a 1 on 1 battle, Natsu has always crushed Zeref. Natsu vs Base Zeref, Natsu vs Zeref before Resurrection, Natsu vs Zeref after Resurrection... Natsu has an incredible advantage in each of them. Of course, since Zeref's almost only chance in battle is his immortality. (Anksheram also has it, but Natsu did not work on it) Natsu could never defeat him. Even though it is superior
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"igneel give me more power" Is this how Natsu defeated Zeref lol Don't be ridiculous, Zeref said the following sentence in the first battle "Please kill me right now" and in the second battle we clearly see his desire to die. Zeref, the creator of Natsu, his first purpose was never to kill him, but to die.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Except he wanted to kill Natsu before he did Neo Eclipse, this is verbatim in character… He said he wanted to settle things with Natsu first

Zeref went all out… He had an entire speech leading up to Dark Blast Inferno about all his anger and darkness being used. And he doesn’t have infinite AP, just because he never run out of Magic Power doesn’t mean he’s outputting infinity at once…

If anything, that’s because Ankhseram Black Magic directly counters Nature, which is what Aldoron is, and even then, it only took part of him. Just because Base Zeref can hurt a part of Aldoron doesn’t mean he can beat all Dragon Gods… Especially when Base Zeref himself said he is incapable of beating Pre-SBT Acnologia no matter what he does.

No, just blatantly wrong on so many levels. First of all, all the 5 Dragon Gods are stated to all be equals, so the fact you say Aldoron>Mercphobia is ridiculous

Not even an argument about anything

Except the Dragon Gods are equal to an Acnologia that is flat out stated to have more power than Zeref

Except Zeref went all out and did lose to Natsu… He was very much trying to kill Natsu at that point and Natsu’s raw power overwhelmed Fairy Heart and destroyed it completely, leaving Zeref crippled on the ground…
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He still could have killed natsu before he did the NeoEclipse and if it wasn't for lucy this war would have been over already. Zeref is a character who lost because of the plot armor Mashima gave to the shitty natsu. If Zeref was really bloodthirsty, he would have passed through the neo eclipse door and finished this job, if he looked at it with the logic that winning is everything, he would have already won.

Zeref didn't do his best, if he really wanted to win he would have used the neo eclipse as I said, but he didn't, he fought (maybe he wanted to die).

The fact that his magic power is never exhausted means that there is an infinite source of magic power, and you have made a statement that his magic power is exhausted, and this is wrong, according to what you say, Zeref has an infinite magic power output. In addition, Zeref already has infinite stamina, so there is nothing to get tired because he is fighting.

In addition, it is valid for war as follows: 1% in the infinite source of magic power is also infinite, but it is still a support ()

With Anksheram, zeref can finish aldoron. There zeref was nerfed, he was already the same as zeref and he was a simple clone with no real power, there is no limit to most of the things zeref can do. I'm sure he can defeat aldoron any of zeref's attacks related to death manipulation play a very important role in finishing aldoron (even natsu alone is not capable of defeating aldoron, but Zeref is too adverse and strong an opponent for aldoron) In the case of Base Zeref and PRE-SBT acnologia, I assume them to be equal, with Zeref slightly ahead.

Just because all 5 Dragon Gods are of equal raw power doesn't mean we can't compare them. Just like how natsu defeated merc with ignia's minnak power, merc can't even use the full power of a completely collapsed dragon god.

The statement you took is the statement you took, only as the real statement I assume Ignia's and I think you know Ignia's statement.

Zeref wasn't trying to kill Natsu, man, if he was bloodthirsty he would have gone straight through the door, but he didn't do that. One of the reasons why Zeref didn't want to end this world was because of Natsu and Mavis and he simply didn't want to do that, I don't know what you don't understand.

You assume Zeref is very weak, I had no problem with you saying Acnologia > Zeref after Sbt, but with the dragon gods, you are the one who wank.
 
Chardee.wl said:
Anksheram is uncontrollable as long as there is an emotional explosion. If Zeref experiences this, Selene has no chance. Zeref is superior in other abilities, to put it simply, immortality type 8.
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There is no way selene can stop zeref, she can't pass zeref's regeneration anyway death hax ez.

By the way, if we assume the fh part of the series, which is the prime state in which zeref lives, we know that zeref has full control over sbt and zeref can stop Selene with conceptual attacks, I don't know if it applies the same way, but I remember that there was a sealing in sbt, can't zeref use a conceptual sealing?

And no matter what Selene does, Zeref is superior to Selene's time, and frankly, I find it illogical to even discuss it completely helpless.

While none of Selene's attacks will even leave a trace on zeref (zeref has the upper hand thanks to stamina) Zeref will directly crush it, a very fair encounter
 
An unlimited source of magic power don't mean infinite AP... Otherwise Zeref would be High 3-A... Also infinite magic power means jack when you are weaker than someone like Natsu, who don't have infinite magic power

Also yes, Zeref was trying to prioritize Neo Eclipse plan post his first fight with Natsu. He verbatim stated "I started to desire the end of this world more than dying myself". He says he has no doubts anymore and will black out Natsu. He rejects Mavis' plan for him to die. He literally kills Natsu. He literally yells "DISAPPEAR!!" to Natsu... I swear y'all just going out of your way to say things in a way that only support the Zeref agenda
 
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