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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

Zeref's priority was to die, he himself stated this in many places. The simplest example is that when he was neutralized by Natsu, he thought he was going to die and smiled,But when you remember that you are immortal, you say, "That's right, I can never die." Even from here you can understand that he is interested in dying. If his aim was to win, he would have walked through that door. And what does the resurrection have to do with controlling time? Zeref himself said that after obtaining the Fairy Heart, he completely controlled space and time and transcended time,And when Natsu made his first attack on Zeref, he turned back time.
I don't know if you've read Fairy Tail, but Zeref literally desired to obtain the Fairy Heart and pass through the door. The nonsense that Zeref was knowingly killed by Natsu or that he didn't fight with all his strength, etc. are all your baseless claims. Zeref thought that he wanted to kill Natsu with all his might and sent him to Makarov, but Natsu came back and kicked his ass, that's the whole story.
A simple plot armor Zeref was not bloodthirsty in that war, we understand this from the fact that he thought he was dead and was happy and did not go through the door.
No, he was bloodthirsty and wanted to pass through the gate, this is evident even from his facial expressions... His only purpose was to pass through the guild gate and fight against pre SBT Acnologia in his next life (along with Natsu, btw the reason I say pre SBT is because Zeref never knew Acno's SBT form )
"infinite magical power" What do you understand from here? Mavis also has additional statements on this subject.
alr, send me the scans, I bet even the explanation you mentioned will refute your arguments
Anksheram is uncontrollable as long as there is an emotional explosion. If Zeref experiences this, Selene has no chance.
Uncontrollable =/= Being independent of speed. Also, will there be a war where Zeref will go crazy like this? Even if it were, this is the kind of technique that even Post Tenro arc characters can get rid of.
Zeref is superior in other abilities, to put it simply, immortality type 8.
bruh. If a character establishes overwhelming dominance, this immo doesn't matter to Zeref, remember how Zeref was afraid of Pre SBT Acno
Your thoughts don't mean anything, we don't have any information about it yet.
Your claims about Zeref are the same.
It's said about 2 or 3 times in this series
Send the scans (I hope you don't use the scan that August suggested as a "possibility" in the raw translation, because no one except August knows the power of Pre SBT Acno)
"igneel give me more power" Is this how Natsu defeated Zeref lol Don't be ridiculous, Zeref said the following sentence in the first battle "Please kill me right now" and in the second battle we clearly see his desire to die. Zeref, the creator of Natsu, his first purpose was never to kill him, but to die.
The fact that Zeref wants to die does not change the fact that he was oppressed by Natsu. Zeref is truly a loser in front of Natsu.
Omw to remove Low 2-C Neo Eclipse right now 🗿
agreed
 
I don't know if you've read Fairy Tail, but Zeref literally desired to obtain the Fairy Heart and pass through the door. The nonsense that Zeref was knowingly killed by Natsu or that he didn't fight with all his strength, etc. are all your baseless claims. Zeref thought that he wanted to kill Natsu with all his might and sent him to Makarov, but Natsu came back and kicked his ass, that's the whole story.
No, Zeref himself said he wanted to die. If he wanted to win, he would have gone through the gate and created the new universe instead of fighting.

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No, he was bloodthirsty and wanted to pass through the gate, this is evident even from his facial expressions... His only purpose was to pass through the guild gate and fight against pre SBT Acnologia in his next life (along with Natsu, btw the reason I say pre SBT is because Zeref never knew Acno's SBT form )
No, here's the scan I'm talking about.

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alr, send me the scans, I bet even the explanation you mentioned will refute your arguments

Uncontrollable =/= Being independent of speed. Also, will there be a war where Zeref will go crazy like this? Even if it were, this is the kind of technique that even Post Tenro arc characters can get rid of.
There is no need for this anyway. The speeds of both are almost equal, if I do not remember wrongly, zeref is around 30x ftl, selene is the same, and zeref is much superior in other abilities.
bruh. If a character establishes overwhelming dominance, this immo doesn't matter to Zeref, remember how Zeref was afraid of Pre SBT Acno
my brother didn't even read the fairy tail properly 🔥 I discarded the scan and zeref says; And because we cannot die... we will be his eternal playthings

so zeref emphasises that he won't die, he just won't be able to defeat acnologia before he gets the fairy heart and since he's immortal he'll be like a toy forever. but this doesn't apply to selene because zeref is superior as ap they are almost equal in speed and zeref is far superior in stamina and ability





Send the scans (I hope you don't use the scan that August suggested as a "possibility" in the raw translation, because no one except August knows the power of Pre SBT Acno)

The fact that Zeref wants to die does not change the fact that he was oppressed by Natsu. Zeref is truly a loser in front of Natsu.
Already answered. Zeref wanted to die more than he wanted to defeat Natsu.
 
No, Zeref himself said he wanted to die. If he wanted to win, he would have gone through the gate and created the new universe instead of fighting.

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The greatest of methods... Neo Eclipse!!
We stop making baseless claims, right? Because even the character you're defending doesn't agree with you lol
No, here's the scan I'm talking about.
I don't know why you used this, but (no hate) it's really funny that you marked the laughing scene of Zeref. What do you mean, he is happy that he died at the end, how can you reconcile this with the fight?
my brother didn't even read the fairy tail properly
You're talking about "your brother" who isn't refuted by the character he defends and doesn't use fan manga as an argument.
And because we cannot die... we will be his eternal playthings

so zeref emphasises that he won't die, he just won't be able to defeat acnologia before he gets the fairy heart and since he's immortal he'll be like a toy forever. but this doesn't apply to selene because zeref is superior as ap they are almost equal in speed and zeref is far superior in stamina and ability
I have no claim that Zeref will die anyway. Zeref's immortality doesn't work against anyone superior to him, that's what I'm saying.

okay so? Infinite magic power does not mean infinite AP. If you make such a claim, you seriously need additional context.

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You aren't a worthy opponent for him. Maybe if your Majesty receives the Fairy Heart...
Just possibility. There's still great uncertainty. Also, since no one else knows about Acno, their statements are irrelevant.
So there is a huge difference between Dragon Gods and Base Zeref. The reason Zeref's Ankhseram had an effect on Aldaron was because it was a kind of counter hax (it still couldn't completely destroy it). + Actually, what interests me more here is not the issue of Selene and Zeref, but people's denial of the fact that Zeref was crushed by Natsu with baseless claims.
 
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We stop making baseless claims, right? Because even the character you're defending doesn't agree with you lol
already neo eclipse is the most powerful technique? We do not claim otherwise
I don't know why you used this, but (no hate) it's really funny that you marked the laughing scene of Zeref. What do you mean, he is happy that he died at the end, how can you reconcile this with the fight?
What I'm talking about is that Zeref thinks he's dead here and is happy. If Zeref's aim was to win, he would have gone straight through the door.
I have no claim that Zeref will die anyway. Zeref's immortality doesn't work against anyone superior to him, that's what I'm saying.
''Zeref's immortality doesn't work against anyone superior to him,''

Dude, are you serious when you wrote that? What do you mean it won't work? If he can't overcome immortality, it means he'll never be able to kill him. you told me in your previous post that zeref was afraid of acnologia even though he was immortal. but I told you how zeref could defeat selena.
okay so? Infinite magic power does not mean infinite AP. If you make such a claim, you seriously need additional context.
First thing to go over is the fundamentals of how magic power works in Fairy Tail. In this verse, the quantity of magic power you have equates to how strong you are as a character. People with more magic power than others are shown as stronger in AP and Durability. This is proven by spells such as Second Origin and Third Origin which allow the user to gain a larger storage of magic power within their body and as a result, makes said person much stronger. As well, whenever a character absorbs magic power from another person or an external source and adds it to their own magic power, they also get stronger as a result. Not to mention that anytime in the series, whenever someone refers to another person as far stronger, they usually refer to the quantity of a person’s magic power. So, once again, if Object A has more magic power than Object B, then Object A is superior in Attack Power, that’s a fundamental law of the verse.

 
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We stop making baseless claims, right? Because even the character you're defending doesn't agree with you lol

I don't know why you used this, but (no hate) it's really funny that you marked the laughing scene of Zeref. What do you mean, he is happy that he died at the end, how can you reconcile this with the fight?

You're talking about "your brother" who isn't refuted by the character he defends and doesn't use fan manga as an argument.

I have no claim that Zeref will die anyway. Zeref's immortality doesn't work against anyone superior to him, that's what I'm saying.

okay so? Infinite magic power does not mean infinite AP. If you make such a claim, you seriously need additional context.

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Just possibility. There's still great uncertainty. Also, since no one else knows about Acno, their statements are irrelevant.
So there is a huge difference between Dragon Gods and Base Zeref. The reason Zeref's Ankhseram had an effect on Aldaron was because it was a kind of counter hax (it still couldn't completely destroy it). + Actually, what interests me more here is not the issue of Selene and Zeref, but people's denial of the fact that Zeref was crushed by Natsu with baseless claims.
Honestly it's not even worth continuing when we know the story agrees with us. This is just them cherrypicking what they want out of the story to push an agenda, rather than going for what's accurate

I've literally seen claims that Base Zeref is superior to Post-SBT Acnologia here as well, it's hilarious
 
I've literally seen claims that Base Zeref is superior to Post-SBT Acnologia here as well, it's hilarious
I may have exaggerated zeref in a tiny little way, but this is due to my hatred for acnologia.

I used to say Mavis > Acnologia because of this hatred 🥰
 
Yes, magic quantity dictates power in Fairy Tail, but Zeref clearly was weaker than Natsu, who also doesn’t have infinite magic power, meaning clearly Zeref’s immediate output at one time is not infinite… Fairy Heart can endlessly be drawn from like a battery that never runs out, but it doesn’t mean Zeref can output infinity… And even if he could, Hiro verbatim states at least the strongest Acnologia is above him, so like… Having Fairy Heart didn’t make Zeref #1

God I can’t believe I even have to say half these things when Zeref got beaten already with Fairy Heart literally being burned out of existence by Natsu’s raw power
 
already neo eclipse is the most powerful technique? We do not claim otherwise
what are you talking about? I have already shown Zeref's purpose in the scans. He definitely aims to pass through the gate rather than die
What I'm talking about is that Zeref thinks he's dead here and is happy. If Zeref's aim was to win, he would have gone straight through the door.
stop using baseless claims
''Zeref's immortality doesn't work against anyone superior to him,''

Dude, are you serious when you wrote that? What do you mean it won't work? If he can't overcome immortality, it means he'll never be able to kill him. you told me in your previous post that zeref was afraid of acnologia even though he was immortal. but I told you how zeref could defeat selena.
nothing like this happened, Selene is superior to Zeref and Base Zeref is absolute fodder
First thing to go over is the fundamentals of how magic power works in Fairy Tail. In this verse, the quantity of magic power you have equates to how strong you are as a character. People with more magic power than others are shown as stronger in AP and Durability. This is proven by spells such as Second Origin and Third Origin which allow the user to gain a larger storage of magic power within their body and as a result, makes said person much stronger. As well, whenever a character absorbs magic power from another person or an external source and adds it to their own magic power, they also get stronger as a result. Not to mention that anytime in the series, whenever someone refers to another person as far stronger, they usually refer to the quantity of a person’s magic power. So, once again, if Object A has more magic power than Object B, then Object A is superior in Attack Power, that’s a fundamental law of the verse.



aint reading allat you do nothing but write a long text that has nothing to do with the topic, provide concrete evidence that if character X has infinite power, you can release that power in an instant, and you're done
 
Honestly it's not even worth continuing when we know the story agrees with us. This is just them cherrypicking what they want out of the story to push an agenda, rather than going for what's accurate

I've literally seen claims that Base Zeref is superior to Post-SBT Acnologia here as well, it's hilarious
you're right buddy
 
what are you talking about? I have already shown Zeref's purpose in the scans. He definitely aims to pass through the gate rather than die
why did he stop and fight if he was aiming to go through the gate? you contradict yourself
stop using baseless claims
''baseless'' lol you still have not been able to present a counter-argument to this
nothing like this happened, Selene is superior to Zeref and Base Zeref is absolute fodder
What? I mentioned it above. He can't overcome Zeref's immortality or any other ability. Either way, Zeref will be the winner.
aint reading allat you do nothing but write a long text that has nothing to do with the topic, provide concrete evidence that if character X has infinite power, you can release that power in an instant, and you're done
this is a quote from a scaling demon god mitch aubin did for etherion
 
aint reading allat you do nothing but write a long text that has nothing to do with the topic, provide concrete evidence that if character X has infinite power, you can release that power in an instant, and you're done
First of all, I will refute the arguments that zeref does not have infinite magic power output. Zeref has infinite magic power output because in fairy tail cosmology, if you have 100 magic power, let's say you have 100 magic power, you use this 100 magic power as soon as you use it, that is, you do not start from 50 or 60, you directly use the power at the top of your limits. The same logic applies to Zeref's infinite magic power, there will definitely be an infinite magic power output in Zeref's infinite magic power because Zeref uses 100% of Zeref's infinite magic power and Zeref has infinite power and he used it in his strike against Natsu.


 
why did he stop and fight if he was aiming to go through the gate? you contradict yourself
His goal is to pass through the door, but first he must defeat Natsu, who is causing him trouble. Chardee, you must not confuse me with yourself. Stop using arguments that are refuted by the statements of the character you are defending.
''baseless'' lol you still have not been able to present a counter-argument to this
Why would I present a counter argument? Even someone who reads the manga once will understand that what you say is wrong. I explained this with scans above, but the only thing you can understand is "Neo eclipse is the most powerful". Bruh
What? I mentioned it above. He can't overcome Zeref's immortality or any other ability. Either way, Zeref will be the winner.
Even if you cannot transcend immortality, you can prevail......
this is a quote from a scaling demon god mitch aubin did for etherion
I don't think Mitch has a good handle on the High 3-A Zeref issue, but you'd really like to ask him.
First of all, I will refute the arguments that zeref does not have infinite magic power output. Zeref has infinite magic power output because in fairy tail cosmology, if you have 100 magic power, let's say you have 100 magic power, you use this 100 magic power as soon as you use it, that is, you do not start from 50 or 60, you directly use the power at the top of your limits. The same logic applies to Zeref's infinite magic power, there will definitely be an infinite magic power output in Zeref's infinite magic power because Zeref uses 100% of Zeref's infinite magic power and Zeref has infinite power and he used it in his strike against Natsu.



Attacking with all your strength =/= Being able to release all your magic power in one hit. Blud, you can't be serious, Zeref's High 3-A plot is pure comedy. Even if the characters in the universe use all their attack power, they cannot release all their magic power at once.
 
Dude, I'm sorry about this, but seriously, are some people here still defending this stupid shit? I mean, I can't even call it a discussion. You're trying to understand the statements made in a series the way you want to understand them, not according to the series itself, and you're trying to sell them to others in this forum.
 
First of all, I will refute the arguments that zeref does not have infinite magic power output. Zeref has infinite magic power output because in fairy tail cosmology, if you have 100 magic power, let's say you have 100 magic power, you use this 100 magic power as soon as you use it, that is, you do not start from 50 or 60, you directly use the power at the top of your limits. The same logic applies to Zeref's infinite magic power, there will definitely be an infinite magic power output in Zeref's infinite magic power because Zeref uses 100% of Zeref's infinite magic power and Zeref has infinite power and he used it in his strike against Natsu.
What you are saying is to ignore the concept of Ethernano and to say that everyone in the universe uses infinite magic, which you know better than me is absurd.
 
His goal is to pass through the door, but first he must defeat Natsu, who is causing him trouble. Chardee, you must not confuse me with yourself. Stop using arguments that are refuted by the statements of the character you are defending.
Dude, are you serious? You contradicted yourself again. The difference between Zeref and Natsu is seen here. It would have been enough for Zeref to take a few steps, but he stood and fought, even this refutes what you said.


Why would I present a counter argument? Even someone who reads the manga once will understand that what you say is wrong. I explained this with scans above, but the only thing you can understand is "Neo eclipse is the most powerful". Bruh
appeal to popularity ''Even someone who reads the manga once will understand that what you say is wrong'' Come on and present a counter-argument.
Even if you cannot transcend immortality, you can prevail......
now you need to tell me how selene is going to beat zeref as ap zeref is superior in speed they are both around 30x ftl. and in ability zeref is far superior simply death manipulation
Attacking with all your strength =/= Being able to release all your magic power in one hit. Blud, you can't be serious, Zeref's High 3-A plot is pure comedy. Even if the characters in the universe use all their attack power, they cannot release all their magic power at once.
if zeref attacks with all his power in fairy heart form, it will be an infinite power output. because even 0.1 of infinity is infinite
 
Dude, are you serious? You contradicted yourself again. The difference between Zeref and Natsu is seen here. It would have been enough for Zeref to take a few steps, but he stood and fought, even this refutes what you said.


Zeref wanted to settle things with Natsu. That doesn't mean he didn't go through because he wanted to die. He'd literally given up on the idea of dying
 
What you are saying is to ignore the concept of Ethernano and to say that everyone in the universe uses infinite magic, which you know better than me is absurd.
the only person in the universe with infinite magic power is zeref (as far as we can see) what I'm talking about is that if you attack with magic, you attack directly with all of your magic power, which gives zeref infinite power output
 
Zeref wanted to settle things with Natsu. That doesn't mean he didn't go through because he wanted to die. He'd literally given up on the idea of dying
What I'm talking about is that Spectra claims that Zeref was bloodthirsty. I say, if he was bloodthirsty, why didn't he just walk through the door and do everything the way he wanted?
 
What I'm talking about is that Spectra claims that Zeref was bloodthirsty. I say, if he was bloodthirsty, why didn't he just walk through the door and do everything the way he wanted?
Well either way, your own claim was that he still wanted to die, and that's why he didn't go through. He'd given up on dying. He simply wished to settle things with Natsu
 
Well either way, your own claim was that he still wanted to die, and that's why he didn't go through. He'd given up on dying. He simply wished to settle things with Natsu
what I'm talking about is that zeref was not bothered by dying, in fact he was happy. at the same time he didn't want to fight natsu and he wasn't bloodthirsty or he would have gone through the door
 
why did he stop and fight if he was aiming to go through the gate? you contradict yourself

''baseless'' lol you still have not been able to present a counter-argument to this

What? I mentioned it above. He can't overcome Zeref's immortality or any other ability. Either way, Zeref will be the winner.

this is a quote from a scaling demon god mitch aubin did for etherion
The main purpose of zeref is to erase the last 400 years of time, go back in time and destroy himself. If you don't accept this, you directly reject the characteristic nature of zeref, which is a contradiction. There is only one proper reason for zeref to fight Natsu, and that is that Natsu is zerefs brother and was created to destroy zeref . Otherwise, we can think of it as a plot for Natsu to win, and when zeref is on his deathbed, a smile appears on his face, which is proof that zeref has achieved his goal, that is, his death.

so this is not a contradiction, probably the author wanted to represent Zeref's death wish in more than one different way
 
The main purpose of zeref is to erase the last 400 years of time, go back in time and destroy himself. If you don't accept this, you directly reject the characteristic nature of zeref, which is a contradiction. There is only one proper reason for zeref to fight Natsu, and that is that Natsu is zerefs brother and was created to destroy zeref . Otherwise, we can think of it as a plot for Natsu to win, and when zeref is on his deathbed, a smile appears on his face, which is proof that zeref has achieved his goal, that is, his death.

so this is not a contradiction, probably the author wanted to represent Zeref's death wish in more than one different way
Dude, that's what I'm talking about. The other people are saying that Zeref is bloodthirsty and that he lost to Natsu by using all his power.
 
Dude, are you serious? You contradicted yourself again. The difference between Zeref and Natsu is seen here. It would have been enough for Zeref to take a few steps, but he stood and fought, even this refutes what you said.


Nothing contradicts me, Zeref aims to eliminate Natsu. In this way, no one could resist him on his way to realize Neo Eclipse.
appeal to popularity ''Even someone who reads the manga once will understand that what you say is wrong'' Come on and present a counter-argument.
This is not fallacy.. If I had said "everyone here rejects this" it could have appeal to popularity but I just used it to highlight the disgrace of the argument.. lil bro you should work better on fallacy 😭🙏
now you need to tell me how selene is going to beat zeref as ap zeref is superior in speed they are both around 30x ftl. and in ability zeref is far superior simply death manipulation
Selena = Pre SBT Acno >∞ Base Zeref
if zeref attacks with all his power in fairy heart form, it will be an infinite power output. because even 0.1 of infinity is infinite
This logic is very wrong. If we are to look at this, everyone with infinite energy should be High 3-A, but it does not work like that. Zeref has infinite magic power in his Fairy Heart state and Zeref does not use that "infinity" in a certain way, he is just transformed into someone who does not need to regenerate energy, thats all
 
Dude, that's what I'm talking about. The other people are saying that Zeref is bloodthirsty and that he lost to Natsu by using all his power.
Well yes, a full power Zeref did lose to a full power Natsu. The claim that he wasn't going all out has no merit and pretty much only exists as a means to push an agenda
 
First of all, I will refute the arguments that zeref does not have infinite magic power output. Zeref has infinite magic power output because in fairy tail cosmology, if you have 100 magic power, let's say you have 100 magic power, you use this 100 magic power as soon as you use it, that is, you do not start from 50 or 60, you directly use the power at the top of your limits. The same logic applies to Zeref's infinite magic power, there will definitely be an infinite magic power output in Zeref's infinite magic power because Zeref uses 100% of Zeref's infinite magic power and Zeref has infinite power and he used it in his strike against Natsu.
That's not exactly how it works around here, man.Mavis talking about Fairy Hearth's infinite magic power He was talking about firing etherion infinite times, which had the potential to destroy a country. This is an anti-statement that it will unleash infinite magic power at once. And you need to provide concrete evidence on this statement. If you have it, don't wait, open a CRT
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Nothing contradicts me, Zeref aims to eliminate Natsu. In this way, no one could resist him on his way to realize Neo Eclipse.
That's what's wrong anyway. If Zeref had been bloodthirsty as you said, he would have passed through the gate and won, and Natsu would have vanished like the universe.
This is not fallacy.. If I had said "everyone here rejects this" it could have appeal to popularity but I just used it to highlight the disgrace of the argument.. lil bro you should work better on fallacy 😭🙏

"Anyone who reads the manga will understand this" is an indirect misconception.
Selena = Pre SBT Acno >∞ Base Zeref
It's funny that you still can't answer what I said and make statements without evidence.
This logic is very wrong. If we are to look at this, everyone with infinite energy should be High 3-A, but it does not work like that. Zeref has infinite magic power in his Fairy Heart state and Zeref does not use that "infinity" in a certain way, he is just transformed into someone who does not need to regenerate energy, thats all
No, not everyone with infinite energy has to be high 3a. What I am trying to explain is that Zeref has infinite power output, that's why he is high 3a.
 
That's not exactly how it works around here, man.Mavis talking about Fairy Hearth's infinite magic power He was talking about firing etherion infinite times, which had the potential to destroy a country. This is an anti-statement that it will unleash infinite magic power at once. And you need to provide concrete evidence on this statement. If you have it, don't wait, open a CRT
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What kind of anti feat is this dude?

Just as the name suggests, it's eternal. Limitless.

A source of magic that will never run dry.
 
That's what's wrong anyway. If Zeref had been bloodthirsty as you said, he would have passed through the gate and won, and Natsu would have vanished like the universe.
So what does this have to do with the topic... This is a discussion about Zeref's stats
"Anyone who reads the manga will understand this" is an indirect misconception.
as I said, I just used the statement to emphasize that the argument is bad, I already answered this above
It's funny that you still can't answer what I said and make statements without evidence.
Everything I said is accepted on this site and it's very simple things.
No, not everyone with infinite energy has to be high 3a. What I am trying to explain is that Zeref has infinite power output, that's why he is high 3a.
So what is the proof that it has infinite output?
 
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