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Omw to remove Low 2-C Neo Eclipse right now
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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga
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Blud's about to scale below SimonOmw to remove Low 2-C Neo Eclipse right now
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I don't know if you've read Fairy Tail, but Zeref literally desired to obtain the Fairy Heart and pass through the door. The nonsense that Zeref was knowingly killed by Natsu or that he didn't fight with all his strength, etc. are all your baseless claims. Zeref thought that he wanted to kill Natsu with all his might and sent him to Makarov, but Natsu came back and kicked his ass, that's the whole story.
No, he was bloodthirsty and wanted to pass through the gate, this is evident even from his facial expressions... His only purpose was to pass through the guild gate and fight against pre SBT Acnologia in his next life (along with Natsu, btw the reason I say pre SBT is because Zeref never knew Acno's SBT form )
alr, send me the scans, I bet even the explanation you mentioned will refute your arguments
Uncontrollable =/= Being independent of speed. Also, will there be a war where Zeref will go crazy like this? Even if it were, this is the kind of technique that even Post Tenro arc characters can get rid of.
bruh. If a character establishes overwhelming dominance, this immo doesn't matter to Zeref, remember how Zeref was afraid of Pre SBT Acno
Your claims about Zeref are the same.
Send the scans (I hope you don't use the scan that August suggested as a "possibility" in the raw translation, because no one except August knows the power of Pre SBT Acno)
The fact that Zeref wants to die does not change the fact that he was oppressed by Natsu. Zeref is truly a loser in front of Natsu.
Omw to remove Low 2-C Neo Eclipse right now
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blud ignores Zeref's shaking scenes and dozens of expressions
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No, Zeref himself said he wanted to die. If he wanted to win, he would have gone through the gate and created the new universe instead of fighting.
No, here's the scan I'm talking about.
There is no need for this anyway. The speeds of both are almost equal, if I do not remember wrongly, zeref is around 30x ftl, selene is the same, and zeref is much superior in other abilities.
my brother didn't even read the fairy tail properly
I discarded the scan and zeref says; And because we cannot die... we will be his eternal playthings so zeref emphasises that he won't die, he just won't be able to defeat acnologia before he gets the fairy heart and since he's immortal he'll be like a toy forever. but this doesn't apply to selene because zeref is superior as ap they are almost equal in speed and zeref is far superior in stamina and ability
Already answered. Zeref wanted to die more than he wanted to defeat Natsu.
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Did...No, Zeref himself said he wanted to die. If he wanted to win, he would have gone through the gate and created the new universe instead of fighting.
Did you just use a fanmade manga as evidence?
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oh yeah wrong scan I really need to delete this from my gallery... thank you
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No, Zeref himself said he wanted to die. If he wanted to win, he would have gone through the gate and created the new universe instead of fighting.
We stop making baseless claims, right? Because even the character you're defending doesn't agree with you lol
I don't know why you used this, but (no hate) it's really funny that you marked the laughing scene of Zeref. What do you mean, he is happy that he died at the end, how can you reconcile this with the fight?
I have no claim that Zeref will die anyway. Zeref's immortality doesn't work against anyone superior to him, that's what I'm saying.
okay so? Infinite magic power does not mean infinite AP. If you make such a claim, you seriously need additional context.
Just possibility. There's still great uncertainty. Also, since no one else knows about Acno, their statements are irrelevant.
So there is a huge difference between Dragon Gods and Base Zeref. The reason Zeref's Ankhseram had an effect on Aldaron was because it was a kind of counter hax (it still couldn't completely destroy it). + Actually, what interests me more here is not the issue of Selene and Zeref, but people's denial of the fact that Zeref was crushed by Natsu with baseless claims.
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already neo eclipse is the most powerful technique? We do not claim otherwise
What I'm talking about is that Zeref thinks he's dead here and is happy. If Zeref's aim was to win, he would have gone straight through the door.
''Zeref's immortality doesn't work against anyone superior to him,''
Dude, are you serious when you wrote that? What do you mean it won't work? If he can't overcome immortality, it means he'll never be able to kill him. you told me in your previous post that zeref was afraid of acnologia even though he was immortal. but I told you how zeref could defeat selena.
First thing to go over is the fundamentals of how magic power works in Fairy Tail. In this verse, the quantity of magic power you have equates to how strong you are as a character. People with more magic power than others are shown as stronger in AP and Durability. This is proven by spells such as Second Origin and Third Origin which allow the user to gain a larger storage of magic power within their body and as a result, makes said person much stronger. As well, whenever a character absorbs magic power from another person or an external source and adds it to their own magic power, they also get stronger as a result. Not to mention that anytime in the series, whenever someone refers to another person as far stronger, they usually refer to the quantity of a person’s magic power. So, once again, if Object A has more magic power than Object B, then Object A is superior in Attack Power, that’s a fundamental law of the verse.
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Honestly it's not even worth continuing when we know the story agrees with us. This is just them cherrypicking what they want out of the story to push an agenda, rather than going for what's accurate
We stop making baseless claims, right? Because even the character you're defending doesn't agree with you lol
I don't know why you used this, but (no hate) it's really funny that you marked the laughing scene of Zeref. What do you mean, he is happy that he died at the end, how can you reconcile this with the fight?
You're talking about "your brother" who isn't refuted by the character he defends and doesn't use fan manga as an argument.
I have no claim that Zeref will die anyway. Zeref's immortality doesn't work against anyone superior to him, that's what I'm saying.
okay so? Infinite magic power does not mean infinite AP. If you make such a claim, you seriously need additional context.
Just possibility. There's still great uncertainty. Also, since no one else knows about Acno, their statements are irrelevant.
So there is a huge difference between Dragon Gods and Base Zeref. The reason Zeref's Ankhseram had an effect on Aldaron was because it was a kind of counter hax (it still couldn't completely destroy it). + Actually, what interests me more here is not the issue of Selene and Zeref, but people's denial of the fact that Zeref was crushed by Natsu with baseless claims.
I've literally seen claims that Base Zeref is superior to Post-SBT Acnologia here as well, it's hilarious
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I may have exaggerated zeref in a tiny little way, but this is due to my hatred for acnologia.
I used to say Mavis > Acnologia because of this hatred
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Yes, magic quantity dictates power in Fairy Tail, but Zeref clearly was weaker than Natsu, who also doesn’t have infinite magic power, meaning clearly Zeref’s immediate output at one time is not infinite… Fairy Heart can endlessly be drawn from like a battery that never runs out, but it doesn’t mean Zeref can output infinity… And even if he could, Hiro verbatim states at least the strongest Acnologia is above him, so like… Having Fairy Heart didn’t make Zeref #1
God I can’t believe I even have to say half these things when Zeref got beaten already with Fairy Heart literally being burned out of existence by Natsu’s raw power
God I can’t believe I even have to say half these things when Zeref got beaten already with Fairy Heart literally being burned out of existence by Natsu’s raw power
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what are you talking about? I have already shown Zeref's purpose in the scans. He definitely aims to pass through the gate rather than die
stop using baseless claims
nothing like this happened, Selene is superior to Zeref and Base Zeref is absolute fodder
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you're right buddy
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Having an infinite supply of magic is not the same as being able to output all of it at once. It just means you won't run out of magic reserves
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why did he stop and fight if he was aiming to go through the gate? you contradict yourself
''baseless'' lol you still have not been able to present a counter-argument to this
What? I mentioned it above. He can't overcome Zeref's immortality or any other ability. Either way, Zeref will be the winner.
this is a quote from a scaling demon god mitch aubin did for etherion
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First of all, I will refute the arguments that zeref does not have infinite magic power output. Zeref has infinite magic power output because in fairy tail cosmology, if you have 100 magic power, let's say you have 100 magic power, you use this 100 magic power as soon as you use it, that is, you do not start from 50 or 60, you directly use the power at the top of your limits. The same logic applies to Zeref's infinite magic power, there will definitely be an infinite magic power output in Zeref's infinite magic power because Zeref uses 100% of Zeref's infinite magic power and Zeref has infinite power and he used it in his strike against Natsu.
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His goal is to pass through the door, but first he must defeat Natsu, who is causing him trouble. Chardee, you must not confuse me with yourself. Stop using arguments that are refuted by the statements of the character you are defending.
Why would I present a counter argument? Even someone who reads the manga once will understand that what you say is wrong. I explained this with scans above, but the only thing you can understand is "Neo eclipse is the most powerful". Bruh
Even if you cannot transcend immortality, you can prevail......
I don't think Mitch has a good handle on the High 3-A Zeref issue, but you'd really like to ask him.
Attacking with all your strength =/= Being able to release all your magic power in one hit. Blud, you can't be serious, Zeref's High 3-A plot is pure comedy. Even if the characters in the universe use all their attack power, they cannot release all their magic power at once.
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Dude, I'm sorry about this, but seriously, are some people here still defending this stupid shit? I mean, I can't even call it a discussion. You're trying to understand the statements made in a series the way you want to understand them, not according to the series itself, and you're trying to sell them to others in this forum.
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What you are saying is to ignore the concept of Ethernano and to say that everyone in the universe uses infinite magic, which you know better than me is absurd.
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Dude, are you serious? You contradicted yourself again. The difference between Zeref and Natsu is seen here. It would have been enough for Zeref to take a few steps, but he stood and fought, even this refutes what you said.
appeal to popularity ''Even someone who reads the manga once will understand that what you say is wrong'' Come on and present a counter-argument.
now you need to tell me how selene is going to beat zeref as ap zeref is superior in speed they are both around 30x ftl. and in ability zeref is far superior simply death manipulation
if zeref attacks with all his power in fairy heart form, it will be an infinite power output. because even 0.1 of infinity is infinite
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Zeref wanted to settle things with Natsu. That doesn't mean he didn't go through because he wanted to die. He'd literally given up on the idea of dying
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the only person in the universe with infinite magic power is zeref (as far as we can see) what I'm talking about is that if you attack with magic, you attack directly with all of your magic power, which gives zeref infinite power output
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What I'm talking about is that Spectra claims that Zeref was bloodthirsty. I say, if he was bloodthirsty, why didn't he just walk through the door and do everything the way he wanted?
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Well either way, your own claim was that he still wanted to die, and that's why he didn't go through. He'd given up on dying. He simply wished to settle things with Natsu
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what I'm talking about is that zeref was not bothered by dying, in fact he was happy. at the same time he didn't want to fight natsu and he wasn't bloodthirsty or he would have gone through the door
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The main purpose of zeref is to erase the last 400 years of time, go back in time and destroy himself. If you don't accept this, you directly reject the characteristic nature of zeref, which is a contradiction. There is only one proper reason for zeref to fight Natsu, and that is that Natsu is zerefs brother and was created to destroy zeref . Otherwise, we can think of it as a plot for Natsu to win, and when zeref is on his deathbed, a smile appears on his face, which is proof that zeref has achieved his goal, that is, his death.
so this is not a contradiction, probably the author wanted to represent Zeref's death wish in more than one different way
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Dude, that's what I'm talking about. The other people are saying that Zeref is bloodthirsty and that he lost to Natsu by using all his power.
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Nothing contradicts me, Zeref aims to eliminate Natsu. In this way, no one could resist him on his way to realize Neo Eclipse.
This is not fallacy.. If I had said "everyone here rejects this" it could have appeal to popularity but I just used it to highlight the disgrace of the argument.. lil bro you should work better on fallacy
Selena = Pre SBT Acno >∞ Base Zeref
This logic is very wrong. If we are to look at this, everyone with infinite energy should be High 3-A, but it does not work like that. Zeref has infinite magic power in his Fairy Heart state and Zeref does not use that "infinity" in a certain way, he is just transformed into someone who does not need to regenerate energy, thats all
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zeref is never a bloodthirsty person, on the contrary, according to his nature, his characteristics are quite calm
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Also, even if zeref has infinite power in statment, there is no proof that he ever released it, so it should never be H3A.
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Zeref isn't holding himself back on purpose.. Natsu literally wiped him out. Even if Zeref holds himself back, he can't lower his durabilty level.
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Well yes, a full power Zeref did lose to a full power Natsu. The claim that he wasn't going all out has no merit and pretty much only exists as a means to push an agenda
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That's not exactly how it works around here, man.Mavis talking about Fairy Hearth's infinite magic power He was talking about firing etherion infinite times, which had the potential to destroy a country. This is an anti-statement that it will unleash infinite magic power at once. And you need to provide concrete evidence on this statement. If you have it, don't wait, open a CRT
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That's what's wrong anyway. If Zeref had been bloodthirsty as you said, he would have passed through the gate and won, and Natsu would have vanished like the universe.
This is not fallacy.. If I had said "everyone here rejects this" it could have appeal to popularity but I just used it to highlight the disgrace of the argument.. lil bro you should work better on fallacy
"Anyone who reads the manga will understand this" is an indirect misconception.
It's funny that you still can't answer what I said and make statements without evidence.
No, not everyone with infinite energy has to be high 3a. What I am trying to explain is that Zeref has infinite power output, that's why he is high 3a.
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What kind of anti feat is this dude?That's not exactly how it works around here, man.Mavis talking about Fairy Hearth's infinite magic power He was talking about firing etherion infinite times, which had the potential to destroy a country. This is an anti-statement that it will unleash infinite magic power at once. And you need to provide concrete evidence on this statement. If you have it, don't wait, open a CRT
Just as the name suggests, it's eternal. Limitless.
A source of magic that will never run dry.
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This is what I advocate anyway...
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So what does this have to do with the topic... This is a discussion about Zeref's stats
as I said, I just used the statement to emphasize that the argument is bad, I already answered this above
Everything I said is accepted on this site and it's very simple things.
So what is the proof that it has infinite output?
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